Rare black iceberg spotted off Labrador coast could be 100k years old (cbc.ca)
138 points by pseudolus a day ago
HocusLocus 6 hours ago
"Fisher Hallur Antoniussen took a photo of it to show crewmates, but it quickly took off after being posted on social media."
I don't blame it, I would have done the same.
tickerticker 19 hours ago
The exposed portion of the berg is roughly spherical. The submerged portion must be enormous and approximately symmetrical to hold that sphere in such an upright position.
Frummy 19 hours ago
So the tip of the iceberg is just the tip of the iceberg
lucyjojo 15 hours ago
Indeed, that tautology is a true statement.
Retric 16 hours ago
With just one photo we can’t really say if the exposed portion is roughly spherical. However, the guy taking the photo who presumably got a better look seems to think it was “diamond shape.”
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tantalor a day ago
Check around it for Super Samples!
jvanderbot 16 hours ago
I wish I didn't think this immediately as well.
creaturemachine 15 hours ago
Wait until the Democracy Officer hears of this lack of faith!
bee_rider a day ago
Do black Labrador icebergs also have webbed feet, to swim better?
bregma a day ago
No, but golden Labrador icebergs are the friendliest of all the icebergs and can make a great addition to any family.
burnt-resistor 14 hours ago
The vet bills and cleaning up after them is really ridiculous.
scoot 19 hours ago
Is this just of passing interest, or something that "ists" (scientists, geologists, climatologists etc.) would gain potentially valuable data by taking samples from it?
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morkalork a day ago
Will the icebergs broken off get older and older?
cess11 20 hours ago
As long as we keep pushing CO2 into the atmosphere and don't run out of ice, yeah, most likely.
IncreasePosts 19 hours ago
Wouldn't this melt "quickly" due to solar radiation based on how dark it is? That is to say, I wouldn't it most likely be closer to 100 years old than 100,000 years old?
burnt-resistor 14 hours ago
That's for new soot depositing on ordinary, existing glaciers with previously high albedo. That causes a spiraling feedback effect of more forest fires and accelerating glacier melt,
It's probable that these dark glaciers are mostly sludge with only a bit of ice. We won't know until some field researchers go out there and gather data and samples.
malfist 18 hours ago
I'm sure you know more about iceburg ages than the professor of oceanography that dated it.
dotancohen 18 hours ago
To be fair, the guy who just dated it likey knows the least about it. It's the guy who broke up with it that knows the most.
IncreasePosts 13 hours ago
I was literally asking about the range that the oceanographer provided. I didn't assert anything
marcusverus an hour ago
This post--which actually engages with the content of the article--is being downvoted, while "Do black Labrador icebergs also have webbed feet, to swim better?" is being upvoted.
Where do we run once the redditification of HN is complete?
dylan604 a day ago
After reading, I'm less interested in a black iceberg as much as now wondering what a fish harvester is as it's not a term I've seen before. Have we changed the term to reflect the vast quantities of fish that fisherman is inadequate?
throwup238 19 hours ago
It’s a local quirk of the Canadian fish industry more than anything. DFO uses the phrase in their fishery notices: https://www.nfl.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/en/node/2377
The history page of the local union, they use the phrase “fish harvesters” rather interchangeably with “fishermen”: https://ffaw.ca/about-us/history/
serial_dev 20 hours ago
It could be to make fishermen gender neutral, but I think it is to hide the fact that you are essentially killing the fish by the thousands, letting them suffocate. Fish harvesting sounds innocent and PG 13.
ahazred8ta 21 hours ago
There's a union or collective bargaining guild that has trademarked the term Professional Fish Harvester in Canada. #PFHCB
tanseydavid a day ago
I am guessing that it is a translation artifact.
maxerickson 19 hours ago
Seems to be in use in primarily English contexts.
https://www.alaskasafetyalliance.org/explore-careers/maritim...
creaturemachine 21 hours ago
Newfoundland is predominantly English-speaking, so it's unlikely this reporter used anything else when preparing this story.
soperj 19 hours ago
HPsquared 17 hours ago
It makes sense in the context of fish farming. Not sure if that's what this is, though. Harvesting doesn't sound appropriate for catching wild fish.
aerostable_slug 17 hours ago
FWIW, it's a reasonably common euphemism in hunting. Example:
"Deer and elk harvested from certain hunt zones must be tested." https://wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/deer
kkylin 19 hours ago
Might one say fish harvesters capture "exponentially more fish"? (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
dan-robertson a day ago
I think it might be a gender-neutral version of fisherman. Not something like a factory ship.
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xeromal 21 hours ago
It's a horrible alternative lol
blipvert 18 hours ago
IncreasePosts 19 hours ago
Fisherman: catches fish
Fish harvester: might catch fish, but might also be the one that cleans/processes them and isn't actually involved in pulling the fish out of the water
NooneAtAll3 21 hours ago
ohhh, I thought it was the boat
uzbit 18 hours ago
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m3kw9 a day ago
When are these going on sale in drinks?
tromp a day ago
> He guesses the ice in the berg is at least 1,000 years old, but could also be exponentially more ancient — even formed as many as 100,000 years ago.
That's not exponentially more (which would be a preposterous 2^1000 or 10^1000 years old). It's just 100 times more. Should I stop being annoyed at how media use the word and just accept their alternative meaning of "a lot" ?
Scarblac a day ago
It's two numbers. It's a constant increase, you can fit a line between them, but also a degree 10 polynomial or an exponential curve.
Yes, it just means "a lot".
burnt-resistor 14 hours ago
High variance/confidence interval. Probably needs some C14 / O18 dating to narrow it down by field researchers gathering samples rather than us speculating from afar.
escapecharacter 20 hours ago
I agree, you can also say exponential if there's 4 or more numbers.
jhrmnn a day ago
This is how language develops, I’m afraid. But imagine that the age is 10^k where k is something like “age class”. Then indeed the age grows exponentially :)
serial_dev 20 hours ago
It still doesn’t grow exponentially, it is just orders of magnitude older.
Possibly, because if I read between the lines, their answer is “huh I dunno”.
parineum 19 hours ago
SAI_Peregrinus 21 hours ago
1.0116^10000 ≈ 100000
Journalists tend to just think of it as "a lot more", but since they didn't specify the base of the exponential we can at least find a way to make the article technically correct. There are fun classes that admit incomparable values, such as the Surreal games. If they'd said "the game {1 | -1} is exponentially more than { | }" then it'd be impossible to find a base to make the statement true. There's lots of fun to be had with this sort of math, as you know.
mekoka 21 hours ago
If we want to express ourselves using exponents, consider that 1000 years (1×10^3) and 9000 years (9×10^3) would be of the same "degree" of ancestry, while 100,000 years (1×10^5) would be of completely different (exponential) significance.
Frummy 19 hours ago
1000^(5/3)=100 000
ghssds 21 hours ago
1.01158^1000 ~= 100000
Exponentially more!
readthenotes1 a day ago
10^2 in exponential form...
At least he didn't say logarithmically more
867-5309 18 hours ago
1000^1⅔=100000
fuzztester 19 hours ago
it's not only the media.
it's just a figure of speech, (used like some people (ab)use "literally"), which I am sure you know, considering your profile, or even otherwise.
other people than the media use it too:
e.g. this Rob Pike post about Go (the programming language, not the game you like):
Less is exponentially more
https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponenti...
pestatije 21 hours ago
any exponential can reasonably be approximated to a linear in the right range
Drunkfoowl a day ago
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