Show HN: Jmail – Google Suite for Epstein files (jmail.world)

656 points by lukeigel 11 hours ago

Hi everyone! My name's Luke and I made the original Jmail here alongside Riley Walz. We had a ton of friends collaborate on building out more of the app suite last night in lieue of DOJ's "Epstein files" release.

Please AMA!

wiether 21 minutes ago

As someone from the other side of the pond, I have to ask: what do people expect from all of this?

It feels like this is a big smoke screen used by the current admin, first to be reelected, and now to distract people from what they are actually doing (like repeating they decreased drugs price by 600%, that they ended dozens of wars while dropping bombs daily all around the World...).

It also looks like it allows everyone to peek in other's people lives, which feels quite disturbing. Sure, some of them were/are terrible people. But there's also the victims here. Furthermore, is it how justice should work? Share everything to the world, and let everyone make their own judgement based on what they see?

Is there going to be some actual outcome? Both for the victims and for their offenders?

Or is it just a show where everyone can see them as detective/judge?

Just to add a bit more context: after years of trials, one of our former President finally went to jail for a few weeks. And now, they're invited by media all over the country so they can complain about how unfair it was, they published a book about it, sold in the tens of thousands, their son is the new TV's favorite...

So I'm wondering: is it actual justice at work, or just a distraction while nothing change and nobody is actually held accountable?

muzani 8 hours ago

I'm impressed. You guys cloned a whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars. Even the little bits of humor look costly.

On the other hand, it's way more information than I expected. I can see why someone would hesitate to release them - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.

lukeigel 8 hours ago

Thanks! And it's a lot of info, yeah. ~90% of new data in yesterday's drop was photographs, which they redacted for us.

The House Oversight Committee's giant drop in November had tons of data we still didn't take advantage of even after doing the original Jmail, like flight logs.

For the Yahoo release, which is still ongoing, the folks at Drop Site News (see https://www.jmail.world/about) are handling the manual redaction which has been very time consuming, even with tons of AI to help in the background.

dvrp 8 hours ago

Would be nice to explain at some point how we did the structuring of the destructured data.

For now we’re focusing on fixing the bugs because we’re already seeing an insane wave of traffic so most of us are focused on keeping the site alive.

defrost 8 hours ago

One interesting thread to pull is "Stuff released and then Yanked back" ...

Images removed from Epstein files less than a day after being posted - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-21/images-removed-from-e...

promises all the sleuthing excitement of chasing the significance of Donald in a Drawer.

wahnfrieden 7 hours ago

alex1138 5 hours ago

I'm being snarky and this isn't such a serious comment and I don't really mean this for Gemini but can you imagine using something like Gemini ("Hi, please comb through this") and it just refuses on ethical grounds

Alex3917 8 hours ago

> You guys cloned a whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the functionality isn't actually cloned, only the UI. The actual code powering Gmail probably dates back to the late 80s or early 90s and has had several hundred thousands of hours of work put into it. This is just a webpage that looks kind of similar.

I point this out only because I've seen people saying that software businesses don't have moats anymore because of this, which is taking away a completely false lesson.

nntwozz 4 hours ago

Why stop there, I'm sure you can trace Gmail all the way back to the Roman aqueducts.

a-dub 5 hours ago

> The actual code powering Gmail probably dates back to the late 80s or early 90s and has had several hundred thousands of hours of work put into it.

no. google did not exist until the late 90s.

various forms of internet email sure did, but most popular mtas of the google era shared very little code with predecessors from the 80s and early 90s (maybe sendmail) and google almost certainly wrote their own from scratch.

but your first point. that an archive browser that looks like gmail is not equivalent to a full tilt email service backend is valid.

bryanrasmussen 5 hours ago

I mean it is so obvious causing me to find the use of the phrase cloned so weird that I feel it needs to be said.

The UI cloning doesn't feel exactly correct either there are things that are slightly off.

But I just find the "cloned" wrong, because obviously you cannot send an email from this account, you cannot log in to the service as Jeffrey Epstein, you cannot delete emails, create alerts based on searches, do actions on selected emails (create new tag, move under that tag)

there are so many functionalities that are not cloned because obviously they could not be cloned because they would make no sense for what this project is. So just the praise for cloning so quickly makes me sort of mad.

You could theoretically make something like this that allowed log in so you got a personalized epstein mails, and then could do all that, and perhaps get more mails sent in as files get released, and perhaps create Google alerts on epstein in the news etc. that would come as mails and maybe the code could put news that came in, into the appropriate the tags etc.

But until that time "cloned" is just very wrong.

jonathanstrange 8 hours ago

Out of curiosity, would you explain what you mean by that? Google was founded in 1998 and writing a mail client isn't terribly complicated. Did they buy some code for Gmail from an older company? Is Gmail older than Google?

wordpad 7 hours ago

randall 7 hours ago

esseph 7 hours ago

113 7 hours ago

I don't know if I'm just misremembering but it feels like over the last three years or so the technical knowledge on HN has gone down the toilet.

zahlman 4 hours ago

sheepscreek 5 hours ago

inquirerGeneral 5 hours ago

tonyhart7 2 hours ago

"whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars."

but they just copy the "UI" not the whole product

JKCalhoun 4 hours ago

"…there's a lot to sift through…"

A job for an LLM…

johnys 8 hours ago

Yeah, there’s a ton of information. https://epsteinsecrets.com/network is another tool to pursue the data dumps.

wayeq 2 hours ago

> - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.

if only there were some kind of universal summary engine that never gets tired and is essentially free.

lisbbb 6 hours ago

I have a feeling you are wrong about that. The government had all that in its possession for many years. My own take is that Epstein ran a highly successful blackmail operation, probably for Mossad, but maybe CIA. Anyhow, for whoever, they got all the best, most juicy stuff and the good stuff isn't getting released--no way, no how. The FBI took tons of materials off of that island and it all disappeared.

My own take: I don't think a lot of those "girls" were victims. Virginia Giuffre certainly wasn't a victim--she knew exactly what she was doing and could have walked away at any time! She liked getting close to wealthy, powerful men. She wanted to marry one. After that didn't work out, Virginia cashed in later when the time was ripe (e.g. the "Get Trump" era where they needed a lot of women to come forward and accuse famous people of sex crimes so that they could normalize the attack on the main target: Trump).

It is unclear whether there were a lot of truly underage, actual trafficking victims. I saw only one mention of it in some of the news clippings from the original legal case against Epstein and I don't know if he was ever charged with that at all. Basically, Maxwell recruited 17, 18, 19 year old masseuse/stripper/model types, the kind that are now selling themselves on OnlyFans, Chaturbate, etc. Bear in mind, 17 is only illegal in the US. Nasty, but I guess that was the reason for the island? Probably there is no lower age bound on the high seas or on a sovereign island or whatever legal fiction was created there.

I'm not saying I agree with any of it and I certainly don't advocate it. What I am saying is that women make bad choices for money or access and later regret it. Then they go crying rape or running to lawyers to sue the deepest pockets. It's pretty disgusting and in a more civilized society, it would be dealt with far differently. I see it as a sign of our civilizational collapse, quite frankly.

sgentle an hour ago

> What I am saying is that women make bad choices [...] and later regret it

Yes, especially when those women are also children. One of the many reasons it's illegal to have sex with them and especially illegal to rent their bodies to your friends.

noduerme 5 hours ago

Transporting a minor for sex is illegal, regardless of whether they are considered of age in the jurisdiction they're being taken to.

But besides that, you're saying he ran a blackmail operation, which seems likely. If the girls he pimped out were of legal age, that's a lot less leverage to blackmail his targets with, isn't it?

gosub100 5 hours ago

So your claim is that someone is not a victim unless they are physically restrained or imprisoned? Can you give some examples of clear, definitive "legitimate victims" for contrast? Or are you insinuating that victim hood cannot be claimed unless they both come from the same income strata? Because otherwise the victims incentive to make money outweighs the possibility that the claim is true, that a wealthy person could in fact be a rapist?

TechDebtDevin 7 hours ago

It's because Riley is a fkn spook, wouldn't be surprised if they had access weeks in advanced. I also wouldn't trust Riley to be an honest actor what so ever.

sans_souse 2 hours ago

Anyone reading thru these and filtering out the promotion spam should consider taking a look thru. All his Amazon orders, which mostly are uninteresting sure, but scattered in there are books and eBook purchases dealing with some relevant and interesting-in-context topics.

Also, interesting that this one got by him (unopened, unread, filtered from inbox) and the timing of it being near his final arrest (coincidence, but still) https://www.jmail.world/eml/0b80588f551f3d097695f1c9507b6572

dvrp 32 minutes ago

We're also working to have a RAG system on Jemini so you can talk to the files. I know that most of the files have been embedded into vectors AFAIK.

koakuma-chan 5 minutes ago

RAG doesn't have to be vectors. You can also make a regular full text search and it's gonna be RAG.

wilgertvelinga 33 minutes ago

Never trust anyone with a network setup like this... https://www.jmail.world/photos?photo=EFTA00002627-0

InMice 6 hours ago

You added icons and functionality to go to the beginning or end of search/inbox - Something that gmail just has never budged on having and always annoyed me! One of the first things I noticed. I must not be alone on this lol

GaryBluto an hour ago

This is incredibly fascinating, not just because of who he was and the crimes he committed, but to see all this information on a specific person in one place is surreal.

joymonger 4 hours ago

This is incredible. How are you hosting all this? There's got to be considerable cost. Meanwhile, this is a genuinely great way to browse through all these files. Seriously impressive work.

dvrp 3 hours ago

A lot of the files are hosted on Cloudflare so their $0 egress cost helps a lot. Especially given that so many of the files can be considered immutable assets, so we can configure aggressive caching.

I know that Luke was working on stuff so as not to hit the database as much, but I was in the middle of a flight as that was happening so he'll have to come and provide more details.

dash2 5 hours ago

Even just setting aside the criminal/salacious side... it is just so interesting to see the connections between the elite. Steve Bannon photographed chilling with Noam Chomsky, such a surprise. God, and Robert Trivers is in there too, eeh.

unreal6 4 hours ago

Bannon for a while was deeply ingrained in Hollywood. He still earns residuals on episodes of Seinfeld [0], and owns the film rights to Michael Lewis' Liars Poker (even supposedly writing a screenplay for it himself) [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon#Media_and_investi...

[1] https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movies/articles/steve-ba...

dvrp 11 hours ago

I participated on this project, but I'm not the main contributor. In fact, I'm working on running an ML model to get some nice gaussian splat visualizations of some of the relevant images based on the recent release by Apple's model: SHARP. It allows doing inference of a PLY point-cloud based on a single JPG image.

Hopefully I can merge some UI for it soon, but I'm away from my main computer right now.

EDIT: I'm going to text my friend Luke to comment and answer any questions about the project.

EDIT2: I am also happy to expand on the technical details of the project once I get a stable internet connection.

Retr0id 7 hours ago

What benefit do you get from the splat-ification? Surely any relevant details are visible in the original jpegs?

lukeigel 11 hours ago

Yes, thanks Diego! Really excited about this.

I'm one of the co-creators of Jmail alongside Riley Walz. We launched a Gmail-like view of Epstein's inbox last month. It got millions of page views, tons of really amazing requests to collaborate on making more related data accessible, and even new Yahoo emails that no one else has allowed the public to see.

Yesterday's DOJ drop resulted in this very spontaneous rag-tag team of friends coming to my place in SF and each making their own app in the "Jmail" Suite. Riley and I are pretty shocked by how versatile this parody style is for visualizing Epstein's 20 year digital footprint.

It's been a ton of fun and we're working hard to polish each view here.

blauditore 30 minutes ago

The "Quora Digest" email killed me.

Most of the mails read like fake ones from a video game. Maybe it's because most of them were written by an older generation who uses more classic letter-style writing.

dabluecaboose 5 hours ago

Hey OP, just FYI "in lieu of" means "instead of".

You probably meant to use "in light of"

amarant 8 hours ago

How complete is the material? I've seen "experts" in Swedish news paper DN claim so much is censored it looks like a cover up. Has that been your impression too?

lukeigel 8 hours ago

We have three datasets in Jmail now:

1. DOJ (The White House's docs that they were required by law to drop yesterday plus many court documents, videos, and other docs from many news cycles this year)

2. HOUSE_OVERSIGHT (the House Oversight Committee's releases. giant November drop that led to the original Jmail, then some photo drops this month)

3. Yahoo emails (originally sourced by DDoSecrets, then provided to us, redacted and verified by Drop Site News)

There is so much material in HOUSE_OVERSIGHT that never appears in DOJ, and vice versa. And then the Yahoo drop reveals even more new material. It feels like three odd slices of a giant dataset that keeps getting released.

re: people's complaints about yesterday's release having way too many redactions, I have no idea how much they over-redacted. I hear that they will release even more quite soon though.

mikeyouse 7 hours ago

Ah I was going to ask about the Yahoo emails.. are those distinct from the cloned Gmail messages or are they in the same inbox on your site?

Has anyone written a parser for the text messages? A messages-like UI to be able to read through all the texts would be super interesting too. The format DOJ released them in is impossible to follow.

dvrp 2 hours ago

cobertos 6 hours ago

Why and how is the data from DDoSecrets redacted?

Do you have a page about each dataset you're sourcing and the background on them like your provide here?

The "EFTA00000468" saga has me distrusting the authenticity of most of these datasets.

medler 8 hours ago

Yes, it has been redacted far in excess of what the law allows, and the material is a tiny fraction of what the administration was required by law to release by this date

wahnfrieden 7 hours ago

Images were also planted that were not part of the files.

epistasis 6 hours ago

edm0nd 3 hours ago

jibal 7 hours ago

You don't have to lean on "experts" (or experts) or people at HN find these things out: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-08-01/epstei...

umrashrf 7 hours ago

That's definitely more than 15 GB of free space given by Google! Great work!

20k 5 hours ago

Great project, thanks for building it

>i want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump.. virignia spent hours at my house with him,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there

Hooo boy

sieep 8 hours ago

Keep up the good work boys this is great stuff and is actually a pretty intuitive way to view the files, ive been sharing it for weeks now.

anjel 6 hours ago

Way better than the DOJ UI but a pity the photo captions got stripped away

dvrp 11 hours ago

jtfrench 3 hours ago

No way. Next level.

novoreorx 7 hours ago

.world domain is a perfectly fit for this project, love to see more power brokers' profile joining this Jmail world

rynn 8 hours ago

Where did you get all the data? The justice.gov site didn’t have a mass download option that I could find.

slazien 5 hours ago

https://www.jmail.world/about

"We compiled these Epstein estate emails from the House Oversight Committee release by converting the PDFs to structured text with an LLM"

and:

"Data Sources

    Gmail emails: House Oversight Committee
    Yahoo emails: DDoSecrets (brought to us by Drop Site News)
Technology

Document parsing and extraction powered by reducto"

dvrp 21 minutes ago

Yes, also many were PPM images (or encoded as such) in PDFs and then I used (cheap/light) multimodal LLMs to classify documents from photos. It was surprisingly cheap: <$1 for a few thousand PDFs / Images.

ok123456 8 hours ago

https://www.jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_026632?email=...

Nice using self-emails as a knowledge base.

chirau 4 hours ago

I clicked on attachments, then images. There are only 9 images in this whole release?

tacker2000 6 hours ago

Incredible! Great work!

One suggestion: please add previous/next navigation on the images, so that one doesnt have to open an image, close, open again.

mastermedo 2 hours ago

ditto for email. Usually I open one email on the phone and slide left-right or right-left to navigate between adjacent emails.

sweca 8 hours ago

Jemini is such a nice touch

romanleeb 35 minutes ago

amazing

rc_kas an hour ago

cody rudland is a hero

stocksinsmocks 7 hours ago

Epstein had a subscription to Intelligence Squared. I feel like his whole character has come into focus for me.

I would have put the “release” part in scare quotes as anything important has been redacted.

gosub100 5 hours ago

He has tshirts and hats that say "mossad" on them

vnchr 4 hours ago

He ordered Israeli Defense Force pants off of Amazon apparently: https://www.jmail.world/thread/a767cba6e082256743a1069708a4a...

He also ordered like 9 pairs of Crocs. He really liked the fuzzy lined Crocs: https://www.jmail.world/search?q=Crocs

stocksinsmocks 3 hours ago

aizk 9 hours ago

Shoot I wish I would've have known there was a collab, would've loved to participate in this.

ned_roberts 6 hours ago

Search for “LSJ”: Little Saint James, his island.

the_gipsy 8 hours ago

The back button doesn't work

lukeigel 8 hours ago

In which app? Photos, email, etc? Tested across each.

dvrp 8 hours ago

Also which platform? Mobile? I’ve noticed some burger menus failing on mobile.

SilentM68 4 hours ago

Hmm, no mention of BTC origins :(

kevin_thibedeau 8 hours ago

Wonder how much that Clinton in a blue dress painting will go for.

tonymet 5 hours ago

Because of JDate it took a minute to realize JMail stood for Jeffrey

userbinator 2 hours ago

You made me imagine an alternate universe where there is a Jeffrey programming language and the man is named Java Epstein.

gilfoyle_7 4 hours ago

cool stuff boys

dash2 5 hours ago

I would be interested to hear HN views on Richard Hanania's take on Epstein: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/the-inverted-reality-of-eps....

thasFqr12 4 hours ago

Michael Tracey, who influenced Hanania, has been on a wild crusade against all Epstein victims and has tried to discredit them.

He also avoids all intelligence connections. He never asks why Epstein got the job at Bear Stearns after leaving as a teacher at an expensive private school where William Barr's father was the headmaster.

He never publishes material like the officially released birthday book entry from Eliot Wolk, trader at Bear Stearns, who confirmed that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, had an account at Bear Stearns and who teased Epstein about knowing teenage Ghislaine.

So it is now officially confirmed that Epstein knew Robert and Ghislaine much earlier than previously known. And that he knew Robert in the Iran Contra years where Robert was dealing with Adnan Khashoggi.

Tracey and Hanania are doing extremely poor journalistic work here by just focusing on the subset of Epstein victims that were over 18 and took money for the services.

Not reporting at all on the intelligence connections seems suspect as well.

kg 2 hours ago

"Especially since the MeToo era began, we’re too credulous about these things. So we have globs of money going to Epstein accusers and their lawyers, while nothing has ever been proved by the standards of the criminal justice system."

Feels like someone with an axe to grind over MeToo turning Jeffrey Epstein of all people (???) into a martyr figure for their pet issue. I don't know why someone would feel compelled to defend him when he's not even alive to thank you for it. The idea that vast amounts of evidence and accusations exist yet nothing bad happened whatsoever is so wildly implausible that I can't grasp the mindset that would lead to openly publishing this perspective on Epstein. We found out from the most recent disclosures that people reported Epstein's inappropriate behavior to the FBI as early as 1996 and it wasn't investigated. One need only look at the amount of detail on his Wikipedia page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#First_criminal... ) to get a sense of why accusations against him are at least treated as credible.

I totally get not finding this issue interesting or not caring about what he did to his victims, though I can't really empathize with that position, I understand it. But writing like Hanania's feels beyond the pale and unnecessary.

zzrrt 25 minutes ago

>> nothing has ever been proved by the standards of the criminal justice system

This flabbergasted me at first. Admittedly I had to refresh my memory that he died in jail awaiting trial, but he was still convicted once before that! The fact it was pre-MeToo should make it more damning, per his logic. I guess he’s saying there were no convictions after he became infamous, but there’s a caveat that he died awaiting trial, and that plus the prior conviction just makes this statement seem disingenuous or sloppy at best.

fredrickd 11 hours ago

the J suite of products grows larger

B1FF_PSUVM 5 hours ago

The flight log data + visualizer is interesting. Apparently not into crossing the equator ...

P.S. feel like a private eye perusing the Amazon purchases. Nabokov and Nietzsche, oh my.

gosub100 5 hours ago

Lots of Bill Gates involvement, and Sergey Brin.

randall 7 hours ago

this is amazing

lifestyleguru 6 hours ago

Everytime I watch these private jets and helicopters I wonder why flying economy class has to be so miserable in terms of horizontal, vertical, and leg space.

oneandonley1 4 hours ago

serch for lolli or cp smh this guy was trash

gnabgib 11 hours ago

Discussion (144 points, 29 days ago, 11 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46004118

dang 9 hours ago

Despite the upvotes, that one only spent 8 minutes on HN's frontpage, so I think we can treat this repost as a non-dupe.

ffin 8 hours ago

Is data about how long links are on the front page available publicly anywhere?

dang 8 hours ago

dvrp 11 hours ago

I saw, but the project has changed since then. There's now Google Photos, improvements to Drive, Jemini (LLM that can assist when understanding the files), and JFlights for flight tracking.

I sent an email to the hn email with more details!

lukeigel 11 hours ago

Last night we made a ton of new apps and we added "the Epstein" files which DOJ dropped yesterday.

Also since that post we worked with Drop Site News + DDoSecrets to post new Yahoo emails that no one has let the public see yet.

TechDebtDevin 7 hours ago

Riley Walz is a spook who 100% has ties with intelligence, maybe use a more objective platform to sort through these resources.

TechDebtDevin 6 hours ago

People down voting to white knight for a wannabe (probably is) spook is wild A guy who worships surveillance bros, and imo is glorifying and downplaying the life of JE (because he looks up to these people) through this humorous take, totally in inappropriate.

mrinfinite 4 hours ago

Its cool to see the mail. I now think he did die absolutely.. i had a suspicion he didnt.. but him and chomsky are fucking retarded.. feels like scrolling through twitter for horrible handles trying to sound smart and just lil bitches.. It makes me happier that my work is not very smart, but compared to these guys we arent that bad. I mean he was a geopolitical analyst. he may have been book smart in some sense cause he ordered liebniz at some pont.. but also just sounded like he was super high (probably wasnt)... very surprsing..

andrewinardeer 8 hours ago

dvrp 8 hours ago

just link dupe, but not content dupe

read rest of the thread with more context on why