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I think TUIs-that-want-to-be-GUIs (as opposed to terminal commands just outputting plain text) are sad. Mainly because they’re largely inaccessible. They flatten the structure of a UI under a character stream. You’re forced to use it exactly the way it was designed and no different. Modern GUIs, even web pages too, expose enough structure to the OS to let you use it more freely. I get why people build TUIs, but it’s a sorry state of affairs.

As LLMs consume all our compute resources and drive up prices for the compute hardware on which we run applications, the silver lining is that LLMs are helpful in implementing tooling without a heavy stack so it will run quickly on a lower-spec computer.

I've achieved 3 and 4 orders of magnitude CPU performance boosts and 50% RAM reductions using C in places I wouldn't normally and by selecting/designing efficient data structures. TUIs are a good example of this trend. For internal engineering, to be able to present the information we need while bypassing the millions of SLoC in the webstack is more efficient in almost every regard.

Gemini built a nice TUI for me for a DHT scraper project I was coding:

https://imgur.com/a/u3KHbDT

It was like two-shot, cos the first version had some issues with CJK chars.

I was impressed as it would have taken me a bunch of screwing around on lining up all the data etc when I wanted to concentrate on the scraping algorithm, not the pretty bits.

I don't see any real advantage of TUIs over web forms or GUIs for the same thing.

I do like CLIs though, especially the ones that are properly capable of working in pipelines. Composing a pipeline of simple command-line utilities to achieve exactly what you want is very powerful.

Indeed. Over a few days of iterations I had this TUI built for fast full-text search of Claude Code or Codex sessions using Ratatui (and Tantivy for the full-text search index). I would never have dreamed of this pre coding agents.

https://pchalasani.github.io/claude-code-tools/tools/aichat/...

Some of my personal favourites TUI are all over GitHub and there are lots of them to have a look at can be found here:

https://github.com/rothgar/awesome-tuis

https://terminaltrove.com/explore/

Building for Charm, ratatui and many others is really getting much easier than before thanks to AI.

I think mc (Midnight Commander) is still one of the best TUIs available - it's very close in capability to the GUI versions (like Double Commander) and it has the benefits of tuis - like that you can run it on a remote system. It looks outdated, but I'm actually now working on a new skin that will hopefully be included in the next release of mc.

If it was so easy Anthropic wouldn't have messed up CC for so long. The author takes for granted the availability of good off-the-shelf TUI libraries for his chosen language.

Big reason why TUIs were popular in the first place is because they are so much simpler to build. Compare ncurses to GTK/Qt, they are completely different leagues. One of my pet ideas is to build a ncurses compatible/style library that skips terminal layer and instead renders directly to Wayland, kinda getting the simplicity of ncurses without dragging all the legacy junk with it.

I too enjoy the charm TUI libraries, and have been using them to build a settlers of Catan game[0]. And some features are really cool, like different colors depending on dark/light theme.

They have a bunch of functions that concatenate strings, which may not be very efficient compared to using string.builders, but I haven't yet had performance problems.

However I haven't had such a great experience with AI, IMO they're bad at ASCII art.

[0]: https://sr.ht/~vicho/el_poblador/

> most importantly, they live inline to your code, preventing constant tab switching

No idea what this means.

Do we want tuis?

I can’t stand Gemmin-CLI. That tui gets in the way constantly

I’m mixed in jj’s tui. It’s better than no ui tho

Mostly tho I’m curious when I’d want a tui. Most of the time in a terminal I don’t want one

There are plenty of great tools available these days. Bubbletea would be my tool of choice, I think:

https://github.com/charmbracelet/bubbletea

Charm looks good. What is the TUI library of choice for python these days?

I was working on a fairly niche thing, a library of crossplane compositions written in KCL and thought it would be nice to have a TUI so i could browse through them and see the rendered yaml as claude was working on it. I asked claude code to write it with python and textual and it one shotted it in about two minutes including a test suite.

Building an article is easy now.

Dagger has a really nice TUI built on Charm. It reads OTEL to create an interactive tree for your builds and containers. If you have cloud setup, it will also push that all to a webapp interface where you can share and navigate in perpetuity. This works for both CI and local runs, super cool for sharing links to failed builds during dev, even while the dev's local build is still running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPEGTfaFnpA

The thing with TUIs is that, using mobile native virtual keyboards, it's apparently quite impossible to make them behave in a sane way in browsers!

I think the only reasonable option seems to be reimplementing one yourself, which is massively stupid.

They are! I (well, Claude) built nitpick as a TUI HN client, and it was surprisingly easy to do.

https://github.com/fragmede/nitpick

"Creating garbage is easy now."

It runs poorly, loses keystrokes, and easily gets bogged down with too much terminal input.

I don't want candy coated monospace ASCII graphics. I want something fast and functional. The graphics are _entirely_ secondary. You've missed the point of what a TUI is.

The problem with TUI's, that we have all Stockholm syndrom'd ourselves, is that I can't use the mouse cursor to click to the position on the screen and edit the command line.