Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets (merkley.senate.gov)

110 points by stopbulying 2 hours ago

staplung an hour ago

Unfortunately, it's not just elected officials that are problematic for prediction markets. The Secretary of War, for instance is not an elected official nor are leaders of the armed forces and there is definitely a prediction market for war. Multiply this by every powerful appointee and every career bureaucrat and see what kind of picture that paints.

lukev 42 minutes ago

If we're not going to ban prediction markets, we could at least make it a requirement that all bets are public and associated with a real identity.

That'd go a long way towards curbing the corruption of these things, while preserving (or even greatly enhancing) their "predictive power."

SteveNuts 33 minutes ago

Seems like you’d get a secondary proxy market popping up overnight. Like domain privacy for degenerates.

gruez 19 minutes ago

andai 20 minutes ago

It's also low-ranking members of the armed forces that have a lot more information than you'd expect. If you just banned the high ranking members from prediction markets, I actually don't think very much would change. (There would just be slightly more delay.)

treetalker 38 minutes ago

Don't forget relatives, useful idiots, and billionaire special envoys!

nomilk 5 minutes ago

I recall a few finance papers saying (paraphrasing) "approximately all private info is reflected in stock prices". The same is obviously true of prediction markets. If government officials are banned, they'll just give a little wink to a relative or friend, and the prediction markets will reflect the private information.

On a personal note, I find these markets incredibly useful in day to day life. There's been a joke for a while that putting site:reddit.com in your google search is the only way to get (some) real information. It's becoming true that putting <search terms> AND (kalshi OR polymarket) is how to get accurate info.

romaaeterna 38 minutes ago

> A Mystery Trader Made $400,000 Betting on Maduro’s Downfall

> Prediction market trader 'Magamyman' made $553,000 on death of Iran's supreme leader

soared 20 minutes ago

You can review that user’s trade history. It’s a bit weird for sure, but they didn’t just stop in to bet on those. They’ve bet huge sums on every prediction relating to Iran, Israel, sp500, recessions, etc.

They’ve been betting for 2 years but only recently starting profiting a lot.

https://polymarket.com/profile/%40Magamyman

aurareturn 2 hours ago

It makes sense to ban government officials from betting. It's hard enough to enforce insider trading. With legal betting, it's literally impossible.

Another worrying issue with betting is just how prevalent the last election was in betting markets. In elections won by thousands or even just hundreds of votes, betting markets can skew results where betters vote for someone just purely for the bet and persuade, shill for the person they bet on.

I can imagine betters placing a bet on a candidate and then launching a defamation campaign against the other.

jpmoral 32 minutes ago

Aren't there already basic laws against officials profiting from their role?

stopbulying 2 hours ago

> Following multiple public reports on the growing influence of prediction markets and their potential for corruption, Merkley and Klobuchar introduced the End Prediction Market Corruption Act — a new bill to ban the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, and other public officials from trading event contracts. The bill will ensure that federal elected officials maintain their oath of office to serve the people by preventing them from trading on information that they gained through their role.

int32_64 9 minutes ago

The prediction market trend will "work itself out".

It will become common knowledge that these platforms are exploited by insiders so people "trust" apparent flagged insider bets, so people will try to piggyback insiders, then it will be revealed that a sophisticated party with infinitely deep pockets burns massive amounts of cash to manipulate odds and these piggybackers will be burned badly, so in the end classical gambling and sports betting will resume as preferred ways for gamblers to lose money because of their disgust with the manipulation.

trinsic2 24 minutes ago

How is any of this going to get passed without enforcement of anti-trust and an end to citizen united?

gruez 17 minutes ago

What does anti-trust enforcement and citizens united have to do with being able to pass laws on insider trading?

schnebbau 32 minutes ago

The answer is simple - you price in the chance that an insider could have an edge on you when making your prediction. It's all part of the game.

idle_zealot 28 minutes ago

Or, and I beg you to consider this radical position: we arrest people who break the law (insider trading is illegal) and those who knowingly help them to do so (the operators of the prediction markets).

How quickly we accept the death of even the ideal of rule of law in favor of embracing a return to an explicit rule by might, fuck-you-got-mine mentality.

GaryBluto 23 minutes ago

It doesn't break the law.

wizzwizz4 29 minutes ago

We also care about the world outside the prediction markets. If decision-makers have an incentive to "throw the match" by making surprising decisions, that will impair the decision-making, which will affect the rest of us. Likewise, sufficiently-wealthy actors will be able to manipulate the behaviour of officials by betting against the behaviour they want to see, much like an assassination market.

ChrisArchitect 9 minutes ago

ronsor an hour ago

If we can't ban them from trading stocks, good luck with this.

tlb an hour ago

It's easier to ban things before they become entrenched than after. Banning stock trading is hard today because most senators have been doing it for years before getting elected.

I'd be in favor of senators doing prediction markets, just limited to small dollar trades so they can get better at predicting.

pear01 an hour ago

Don't be needlessly cynical.

This is a good effort. So is the ban on stock trading. This administration is such that it is bringing corruption to the fore in a way not seen in generations. Things are always hard to pass at the start. Keep pushing and this administration will create a massive opportunity to swing the pendulum if we can (as hard as it is now) retain some optimism.

matthewfcarlson 18 minutes ago

To the people downvoting you, you just said the administration is bringing corruption into the public view. Some people believe they are exposing and some believe they are currently doing it. Either way, corruption and profiting off of a political position is certainly top of mind for many Americans atm.

tokai an hour ago

It wouldn't be a problem if the law was actually applied to prediction markets. If crime is de facto already legal, more laws seems like the least of ones worries.

themafia an hour ago

> you have the perfect recipe to undermine the public’s belief that government officials are working for the public good

The public already does not believe this. Less than 25% approve of your work.

> This legislation strengthens the Commodity Futures Trading Commission’s ability to go after bad actors

And this is designed to "increase trust?"