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Thank you, I'll be here for everyone to try it out, let me know how it goes!

Eventually there will just database tables, some skill files, and an agent

That's exactly the direction I took with Filestash (https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash) where everything is treated as a filesystem with fine-grained control to handle authorisation, plus a virtual filesystem layer to create completely new filesystems that don't 1 to 1 map to reality.

I'm definitely biased here, but the OpenClaw hype is making people disregard the economics of it all. Building Auto-CRM.com, my primary concern was building a system that runs well while not costing 200$ per month to keep up, and of course, while also maintaining security. I assume the good guys at Folk, Pipedrive, etc also had similarly priorities. A lot of good work is being done within the OpenClaw ecosystem regarding RAG and memory, but specialised orchestration process to be a more reliable system.

This is the right question and honestly the answer for most agent tools right now is "data gathering and context assembly, not generation." The drafting part gets all the demos but the real time save is the agent pulling the right info from 5 different sources before a human writes anything. Generation quality will catch up but the integration plumbing is where the value already exists today.

Data gathering / creating / updating / filtering / creating reports, Doing certain action on every data entry (like sending email), etc.

Telling DenchClaw to "make it less robotic" on 300+ personalised drafts is still better than me actually making it less robotic myself imo

There is a Dungeon Clawer.

As of March 9 2026, it does log you out of your Google once on the main profile, but once you log back in everything works perfectly fine.

Become? I believe that’s the point.

[astronaut with gun meme] Neal Stephenson depicts this outcome in his novels as "The Miasma" and introduces a zero knowledge biometric based cryptography scheme used by everyone to validate content, and everyone has to have advanced AI filters in order to pluck out tiny tidbits of signal from among the noise.

We're going to need local AI to sift through the trash. Platforms have been more or less useless at curating content, and it's only smaller sites like HN that have retained a high SNR at this point. It doesn't even matter what media, at this point, video has passed the 2-3 second sniff test. We're seeing boomers get completely sniped by AI videos, even with watermark, showing absurd spin on current events. Text, music, podcasts, video, cartoons, whatever, it's all been infested, and the quality keeps increasing. I've seen a couple 2+ minute seedance productions that have been actually enjoyable, but by June that sort of thing will be one-shot prompting instead of someone gluing together the outputs from 4 difference SoTA AI tools.

It's getting weird, and we're not ready for it, at all.

I get why it looks that way from the CRM angle, but outreach is maybe 5% of what I actually use DenchClaw for day to day.

Yesterday I asked it to pull up all my meeting notes from last week, cross-reference them with my task list, and draft follow-ups. Before that I had it reorganize a messy folder of research PDFs into a structured workspace. I use it to build slides, write code (DenchClaw literally built DenchClaw), manage my calendar, search through old Notion pages I forgot existed.

The CRM part gets attention because that's what people asked for when we talked to power users. But the actual product is just "OpenClaw with a good UI, a file system, and DuckDB, running locally on your Mac." It does whatever you'd normally do on your computer. The browser is yours, the files are yours, the data never leaves your machine.

Think of it less as a sales tool and more as what happens when your entire Mac becomes programmable through natural language. The CRM is one app that runs on top of that. People are already using it for project management, research, personal knowledge bases, all kinds of stuff we didn't plan for.

Truly tired of seeing yet-another spam machine. All of these hype machines are built to spam people about their /paid/ hype product, rinse-repeat. BS

This is an OpenClaw framework, so it installs / relies on your existing OpenClaw codebase. I think there has been a ton of requests on Claude Code support, someone has been working on a PR for exactly this, I'll update you here if it ships.

... or disastrous comedy?

Oh yea

Especially considering this project is 2 days old and has 580 stars. 500 seems like it would be a nice round number if one were to purchase bot engagement. Not confident enough to make that claim directly, but something about this project doesn't sit right in general.

Nice, this seems interesting. I don't use Obsidian (I use Logseq) but this has given me a couple of ideas for a CRM I am building (it's currently in a Personal Relationship manager phase which I've found useful for about a year or two).

Thanks for sharing.

Love this setup! I also use Obsidian, but after DenchClaw I usually just open my Obsidian directory into DenchClaw so I can do anything with it. It has all the needed primitives for me like the markdown editor, graphs, etc.

That's a simple but useful set up, thanks for sharing.

We started a direct OpenClaw fork, but we didn't want to always push upstream updates manually. So now we are completely detached from it. The GitHub says its a fork because it was originally forked, but now we have completely separated ourselves from it.

Now instead of bundling and patching from inside it, we just ship alongside OpenClaw so you can use the latest OpenClaw CLI separately yourself.

I cannot fucking believe people are letting it remote start their cars and control their garage door. Nevermind ovens. All things people have done and posted about.

As someone that has worked in the automotive space, an enormous amount of regulation and effort is spent making sure you cannot do something like forgetfully remote start the car with your garage door closed and gas yourself. Nevermind securing it so that others cannot do this to you.

And these people are plugging it into ... this, which will happily go "oh, the car turned off after 15 minutes, let me turn it back on!"

There are realistic odds that someone is rotting in their house while their lobster pays the bills and writes blog posts for them.

This rings so true. Software Engineering should have stricter bar similar to med professionals. If we have leaked such lousy products and the public crowd thinks this is usable, it's a failure of the industry as a whole.

I like the idea of OpenClaw a lot, it's a technology that I would want in my life. But in it's current form it's kinda chilling and I cannot see it become safe to use anytime soon.

It seems to me many infosec best practices that have been built over decades have been forgot in the last few months like nothing happened. People really do give this kind of software full system access, plus access to their emails, their private chats, most likely their passwords too and who knows what else via plugins. I couldn't really imagine this happening one year ago.

I'm 100% confident that any state actor and cybercrime groups are currently heavily focusing their research on these tools. You compromise the right person and you can access all kind of critical information, it would basically be the same as having some remote control software on their system with full permissions.

And everyone on the hype train seems to be absolutely unaware of this. Maybe I'm missing something, but all of this feels so odd to me.

> so long as hallucinations and prompt injection remain unsolved problems

Aren't hallucinations mathematically impossible to be _solved_? Cannot believe how so many people just willy nilly give everything they have to a lying parrot.

Ha, I get why it looks that way from the CRM angle, but outreach is maybe 5% of what I actually use DenchClaw for day to day.

Yesterday I asked it to pull up all my meeting notes from last week, cross-reference them with my task list, and draft follow-ups. Before that I had it reorganize a messy folder of research PDFs into a structured workspace. I use it to build slides, write code (DenchClaw literally built DenchClaw), manage my calendar, search through old Notion pages I forgot existed.

The CRM part gets attention because that's what people asked for when we talked to power users. But the actual product is just "OpenClaw with a good UI, a file system, and DuckDB, running locally on your Mac." It does whatever you'd normally do on your computer. The browser is yours, the files are yours, the data never leaves your machine.

Think of it less as a sales tool and more as what happens when your entire Mac becomes programmable through natural language. The CRM is one app that runs on top of that. People are already using it for project management, research, personal knowledge bases, all kinds of stuff we didn't plan for.

> DenchClaw finds your Chrome Profile and copies it fully into its own, so you won’t have to log in into all your websites again. DenchClaw sees what you see, does what you do. It’s an everything app, that sits locally on your mac.

Wow that sounds great. Hey don't worry these things never blackmail anyone. Let it know if you're gonna turn it off, I bet it'll make some REAL interesting choices based on your browsing history

Yea, it has been a little shocking to me that the rising narratives around "AI agents everywhere" and "enable the web for AI agents" requires what we've all been wanting for awhile on the web (openness and interoperability) but that the same big players in tech have been clearly against for a long time. Like the fact that Google recently released that Google Workspace CLI (https://github.com/googleworkspace/cli) is a perfect example.

They could've released something like that years ago (the discovery service it's built on has existed for over a decade) but creating a simple, accessible, unified CLI for general integration apparently wasn't worth it until agents became the hot thing.

I wonder when / if there will be a rug pull on all of this. Because I really don't see what the long-term incentives are for incumbent tech platforms to make it easy for automated systems to essentially pull users away from the actual platform. I guess they're focused on the short term incentives. And once they decide the party's over, promising upstarts and competition can get absorbed and it'll be business as usual. Idk, we'll see.

Lots of folks use the Claude Max 20x $200/mo. tier, I think. Gets you waaay farther than $200 of API credits.

> created 17 minutes ago

Is this a bot lol, use words not buzzwords

Depends on what you're using it for I suppose. A common tactic with Openclaw itself is to have a cheap or local model as the default, with rules to "escalate" to other models based on task complexity/type. But if every cron job comes with complete access to your personal machine and browser profile... Yeah, better go for the most predictable model you can find.

I always recommend Claude Opus 4.6 for anything OpenClaw gets its hands on.

Sounds like a great name for a chaos-fork for Openclaw.

To make this easier we could develop some kind of… query or… command language for this.

Take OPs example…

> I am addicted now that I can ask it, “hey in the companies table only show me the ones who have more than 5 employees”

Now how could that command language look like, maybe something like…

PICK * of COMPANIES if EMPLOYEE_COUNT >10;

We could call this DCCL: Dench Claw Command Language!

Sorry, it happened because it was originally an OpenClaw fork.

That's... not a bad idea. The downside is the bot would be doing a lot of these and false-positives would be... embarrassing (like a real investor outreach).

I'm in.

It also does all or most knowledge work there is, the goal is for it to be smartly be able to do anything you ever do on your machine.

I've taken that bit out of the text above. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47314105 for more.

I've taken that bit out of the text above - I originally advised Kumar to put it in there (it's actually from the opening of the demo video), but in hindsight, I should have known it would backfire with the HN audience.

100% :-/

This is a pretty widely known acronym

Customer Relationship Management.

Broad term for tools used to manage interactions with existing customers and/or sales prospects.

Sorry! It's basically a database for normies.