Antimatter has been transported for the first time (nature.com)

224 points by leephillips 5 hours ago

voidUpdate 4 hours ago

If containment was to fail, it the total energy released would have been approximately 2.766 * 10 ^ -8 J, so it wasn't particularly dangerous

steve_adams_86 38 minutes ago

It would be trivial to reroute power from the secondary systems to the forward shields anyway

comrade1234 4 hours ago

What is that in firecrackers?

Gemini says a firecracker releases 150 J, so yeah not a lot.

Anonbrit 4 hours ago

It's a fraction of the energy released when an unlit fire cracker is dropped an inch. Basically unmeasurable

voidUpdate 4 hours ago

Wolfram Alpha says its approximately the kinetic energy of a mosquito in flight

schindlabua 3 hours ago

nikhilisvalid 3 hours ago

dylan604 4 hours ago

Baby steps on our way to a Dan Brown scene lighting up the night sky

vivid242 4 hours ago

It was on the radio here (I live on its route)- the ‚receiving’ physicist said it would be way less than what we catch anyway from daily cosmic radiation.

AnimalMuppet 3 hours ago

For 92 protons? So 3*10^-10 J per proton?

For a tiny number, that is still insanely high...

swiftcoder 4 hours ago

I definitely was expecting "transported" to be some kind of teleportation when I clicked this link. Too much sci-fi!

rbanffy 3 hours ago

Much safer than Starfleet fuel tanks.

MengerSponge 2 hours ago

Surprisingly, teleportation is easier.

drob518 3 hours ago

Totally sounded like Star Trek. LOL. I imagined Mr. Scott yelling something about the transporters not being able to lock onto the antimatter.

stevenalowe 18 minutes ago

Unclear on the size of the apparatus require to secure the 92 anti-protons - did it occupy the entire truck?

diwank 40 minutes ago

Angels & Demons anyone?

csense 3 hours ago

From a layman's point of view antimatter seems like an ideal spacecraft fuel. It's as energy dense as E = mc^2 allows, and if you have infrastructure to make it, the only input you need to produce it is electricity.

Being able to transport it seems like an important piece of that puzzle.

Production and storage would need to be scaled by many orders of magnitude, but that's merely an engineering problem...right?

pfdietz an hour ago

The confinement scheme used here is likely a Penning Trap. Such devices are limited in the amount of antimatter they can store by the Brillouin limit. The energy stored will be no more than the magnetic energy of the field of the trap, and so much less than the explosive yield of a mass of TNT (say) equal to the mass of the trap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-neutral_plasma

amelius 2 hours ago

> ideal spacecraft fuel

If you're ok with the looming threat of total annihilation.

I suppose at least it will kill you faster than your neurons can communicate so you wouldn't even notice.

teiferer 2 hours ago

> If you're ok with the looming threat of total annihilation.

Don't you have that problem with any energy-dense fuel? It's just that it doesn get more dense than that, so you can be very space and weight efficient.

It's like everybody saying that a hydrogen car is a rolling bomb because of the energy stored in the hydrogen. Well, sure, but gasonline has just as much energy stored. Which is the whole point of fuel. To store energy. It's not like you are bringing 100x as much energy with you just because it's hydrogen. So that doesn't make an ICE car any less of a bomb...

Tadpole9181 an hour ago

im3w1l an hour ago

antonvs an hour ago

crooked-v 2 hours ago

If you're on a spacecraft you're sitting on a tank of rocket fuel anyway. It's the same problem, just slightly less total.

sigmoid10 2 hours ago

queuebert 2 hours ago

amelius 2 hours ago

bovermyer 2 hours ago

From a layman's point of view, I'm more interested in antimatter's potential as a weapon.

Not necessarily because I want to use it, but because I have a vague idea of what it's capable of, and what that would mean in the hands of certain groups capable of producing it.

pfdietz an hour ago

The big advantage of nuclear weapons is they are very cheap per unit of energy yield. Bang for the buck, if you will.

Antimatter production is so inefficient that they will be much more expensive per unit energy yield.

garciasn 27 minutes ago

ReptileMan 2 hours ago

Not that great. Chances are you will destroy your country before you destroy some other.

mastersummoner 2 hours ago

fragmede 22 minutes ago

d_silin 3 hours ago

Very tough engineering problem. Amount transported is 92 atoms. A mole (1 gram) of anti-hydrogen is 6.23x10^23 atoms.

wiredfool 3 hours ago

When I visited CERN, they mentioned that there were some large number of protons in the ring at a time, and the runs would last a significant amount of wall clock time. (Don’t remember the exact numbers, but I think it was like 10^19 atoms of H, and days of wall clock)

The upshot was, it was likely that less than a mol of hydrogen had been run through the ring.

d_silin 3 hours ago

yibg 3 hours ago

Not familiar with the subject so genuine question. HOW would antimatter be used as fuel? There is energy released in matter antimatter annihilation, but where would the force to move a spacecraft come from?

jjmarr 2 hours ago

> Various antiproton-powered rocket systems have been proposed. All of which rely on the particles released to supply direct thrust or to heat a working fluid by interparticle collisions or by heating a solid core first [14]. There is also the possibility to use the heated working fluid to generate electricity for electric propulsion systems [14].

> Following Fig. 9, beam core and plasma core configurations can produce direct thrust by directing the charged particles produced into an exhaust beam using a magnetic nozzle. Gas core systems use the energy released from the reaction to heat a gas that is exhausted for thrust. Finally, solid core configuration heats a metal core like Tungsten that acts as a heat exchanger to a propellant that is then exhausted from a regular nozzle.

Not the same paper, but goes into more detail.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266620272...

daveguy 2 hours ago

The always excellent PBS Space Time recently did an episode on antimatter drives:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eA4X9P98ess

BiraIgnacio 2 hours ago

my absolutely-non-expert guess is that it would work much like any other fuel? Combine with matter, get a lot of head out of it and use that in the best way we know.

goda90 2 hours ago

Use the antimatter as an electricity source to power ion thrusters, maybe?

adrianN 3 hours ago

Black holes are good star ship engines because they turn everything into Hawking radiation.

throwaway894345 2 hours ago

Can you elaborate? Why is HR useful for starship engines?

adrianN an hour ago

nkrisc 2 hours ago

AStrangeMorrow 2 hours ago

I am curious about how much energy needs to be expanded to contain the anti-matter. Say it the matter/anti-matter is to be used for propulsion/energy generation can we reach a threshold were we are actually energy positive

brumbelow 4 hours ago

“Antimatter in a truck” is great headline material, but the actual advance is portable precision instrumentation.

CERN can make/store the antiprotons, but not measure them as cleanly as they want because the facility itself introduces tiny magnetic fluctuations. So this is really a story about moving the sample to a quieter lab, not moving toward sci-fi antimatter batteries... for now

zahlman an hour ago

Yeah, it's really impressive to me that they can make antiparticles, put them in a container, count them, transport them and count them again.

GolfPopper 3 hours ago

Nonetheless, "moving antimatter by truck" is pretty SF. More grounded than epic space opera, but stillvery cool.

dekhn 2 hours ago

It almost could be a Hollywood movie in the vein of Sorceror. Couple of grizzled CERN vets transporting a volatile load of antimatter across a post-apocalyptic wasteland while being chased by energy terrorists.

imhoguy 4 hours ago

Next milestone: put it in Warptruck™ as fuel

antonvs 43 minutes ago

A certain car company CEO is about to announce the availability of that in "5-10 years"

sincerely 3 hours ago

AI slop account

brumbelow 36 minutes ago

wtf? you're slop lol

aftbit 3 hours ago

How could we make enough antimatter to do something useful? Would we need to go hang out near the sun or deorbit Jupiter's moons with superconducting coils to get enough energy?

throwaway290 an hour ago

The more important question is not could we. it's should we

nout 2 hours ago

I was once transporting antipasti and no one wrote HN post about it :(

spbaar 2 hours ago

I make a pasta/antipasta joke every time I'm at an italian resteraunt and no one ever laughs :(

Rooster61 2 hours ago

Annihilation of Italian food is nothing to laugh at, and is in fact a tragedy

dylan604 an hour ago

NanoWar 2 hours ago

One cannot image what would happen if antipasti and pasti collide!

rmujica 2 hours ago

oh, the canolli!

luc_ 4 hours ago

Setting the plot for Angels and Demons... :D

Mirror: https://archive.ph/JkeMp

brendanfinan 3 hours ago

eternauta3k 3 hours ago

What would a universe with equal amounts of matter and antimatter look like?

a-priori 3 hours ago

It would develop into "regions" of space that are entirely matter and others that are entirely antimatter. The boundaries between them would glow as stray particles drift between the regions and are annihilated by contact with the opposing particles.

The fact that we don't see these glowing boundaries in space is evidence that there are not antimatter regions and that the visible universe is almost entirely composed of matter.

PowerElectronix 3 hours ago

It would depend on how it's distributed. If it's very homogeneous, totally anihilated. If there are galaxies of matter and galaxies of antimatter, more or less like us with a bit more background radiation.

isolli 3 hours ago

How do we know there are no antimatter galaxies far away from us?

dodobirdlord 2 hours ago

NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago

rbanffy 3 hours ago

Very, very bright.

drob518 3 hours ago

Annihilated.

Sardtok 3 hours ago

Sounds like the start of research ending in antimatter bombs.

NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago

Unless we'd be fighting literal alines in space, and need a weapon for them, I think this would be many many many orders of magnitude too expensive / tricky for earth use. We have plenty of non sci-fi big boom sticks already as it is...

zahlman an hour ago

The energy used in creating and containing this antimatter was many orders of magnitude greater than it would release on collision with matter.

M95D 2 hours ago

The most expensive bomb ever.

alansaber 4 hours ago

Only 92 antiprotons but still an exciting feat

observationist 3 hours ago

You (briefly) have an antiproton in your possession around once a day, assuming you get an average amount of sunlight. Some days, you might even have two!

cluckindan 3 hours ago

This just in: seasonal affective disorder confirmed to be caused by antiproton deficiency

ck2 an hour ago

antimatter is not what the average person thinks it is from science-fiction

https://www.youtube.com/@pbsspacetime/search?query=antimatte...

cozzyd 3 hours ago

pssh, antineutrinos are transported all the time!

MengerSponge 2 hours ago

That's a contentious statement! We're not sure if they are or aren't.

More accurately: we aren't sure if antineutrinos are the same or different from neutrinos!

https://arxiv.org/abs/2008.02110

d--b 3 hours ago

Every time I read one of these, I am amazed by how much stuff superconductivity allows, and how limited we are because it needs ultra low temperatures.

M95D 2 hours ago

The disadvantages of water-based life.

fatbird 4 hours ago

Imagine the poor post-doc in the back of the truck, no seatbelt, watching and noting anything going on, while the driver is doing donuts in a parking lot to really stress-test the magnetic containment.

chuckadams 4 hours ago

Tell me this involved dilithium crystals. Please tell me this involved dilithium, I want to live in Gene's future.

rbanffy 3 hours ago

No. That would have created a warp field around the container.

antonvs 41 minutes ago

She canna take much more, cap'n

ozim 3 hours ago

Stop, driver should have license for hauling antimatter and as far as I believe no one is giving those out. That’s major offense in trucking industry.

elil17 3 hours ago

Yes, only anti-truckers can haul anti-matter since normal CDLs only let you transport ordinary matter. You have to be very careful not to let the anti-trucker go to a ordinary truck stop because things really go down if they run into a ordinary trucker.

kakacik 3 hours ago

There is some good greta joke hidden there but I had enough dovnvotes for today

rbanffy 3 hours ago

Actually it should require an anti-license.

post-it 3 hours ago

I'm glad we have an expert on Swiss commercial trucking regulations here.

jayrot 3 hours ago

I know this is all just tongue-in-cheek, but for the record, they only drove it around for 30 min around the lab site, not on the open roads.

ozim 3 hours ago

I only want to charge 1CHF for each charged particle hauled in that transport.