CPU-Z and HWMonitor compromised (theregister.com)
147 points by pashadee 6 hours ago
john_strinlai 4 hours ago
some comments purportedly (i did not verify) from one of the maintainers:
>Dear All, I'm Sam and in I'm working with Franck on CPU-Z (I'm doing the validator). Franck is unfortunately OOO for a couple weeks. I'm just out of bed after worked on Memtest86+ for most the night, so I'm doing my best to check everything. As very first checks, the file on our server looks fine (https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/6c8faba4768754c3364e7c40...) and the server doesn't seems compromised. I'm investigating further... If anyone can tell me the exact link to the page where the malware was downloaded, that would help a lot
>Thank you. I found the biggest breach, restored the links and put everything in read-only until more investigation is done. Seems they waited Franck was off and I get to bad after working on Memtest86+ yesterday :-/
>The links have been compromised for a bit more than 6 hours between 09/04 and 10/04 GMT :-/
so, it appears that the cpuid website was compromised, with links leading to fake installers.
cwizou 2 hours ago
For what it's worth - I used to write CPU reviews a while back - I can vouch for both Sam and Franck. Franck is the guy behind CPUID and Sam is a close friend of his, who was known for working at Canard PC on top of his work on Memtest : https://x86.fr/about-me/
john_strinlai an hour ago
that is pretty cool!
when i say i didnt verify, i just mean that i ripped these quotes out of reddit, and did not check whether the reddit username that posted the comments is known to be an identity of Sam.
cwizou an hour ago
pseudosavant 44 minutes ago
Glad that they figured out the issue and fixed the links. When I first read this, I assumed it was actually the sketchy ads that are run on www.cpuid.com.
These are the real ads I just saw on a single download page for CPU-Z: "Continue to Download", "Install For windows 10, 11 32/64 bit Get Fast!", "Download", "Download now from PC APP STORE", or "Download Now For windows 10, 11 32/64 bit". Many of them appeared multiple times on the page.
The real download links don't even say they are download links.
I love the winget CLI in this situation. This is all you need: `winget install CPUID.CPU-Z`.
BoredPositron 4 hours ago
It's the third time that I've read something about availability notifications on discord and other chats getting abused for timed attacks in the last few weeks.
magicalhippo 3 hours ago
After my Wordpress site got hacked way back through an exploit in one of the WP files, I set up a cron job that compared the hash of the static files with expected hash, and would fire off an email if they differed.
The script lived above the web root, so they'd have to escape that to tamper with it, and was generated by another script.
Saved me a couple of times since, well worth the 15 minutes I spent on setting it up.
michaelt 2 hours ago
daneel_w an hour ago
embedding-shape 2 hours ago
jl6 4 hours ago
To our new generation of human shields willing to use software releases less than a month old, we salute your sacrifice.
xandrius an hour ago
Not fair take, cpuz and hwmonitor are often used on new installations of PCs (or at least for me) to verify hw specs and stuff. Or when I need to do some upgrade work for a desktop computer.
I just go to the trusted site, download what's there and get going. This is not an npm package that a dev is updating on day 0 of its release for being a "human shield", it's literally the first version which comes up when DLing the new software.
saltcured 9 minutes ago
Seems like the kind of thing to just have on a bootable thumb drive, to inspect any machine without requiring installation on the fly.
In fact, I think I used to use memtest86+ this way as it is a baked in boot option on Fedora bootable ISO images. (Or at least was in the past, I haven't checked this recently.)
mikestorrent 3 hours ago
Is there a tool out there that you can put software releases into and it will tell you how safe it is? I don't seem to be able to buy anything to do this. Crowdstrike and other modern antivirus may react to it once it's on a device, SAST / SCA tooling will help with CVEs, but there's nothing I can give my users where they can put in some piece of random software and get a reputation metric out the other side, is there?
vladvasiliu 2 hours ago
> put in some piece of random software and get a reputation metric out the other side
Well, the enterprise version of ms defender will not only react to it if it does something "weird", but will specifically look at its "reputation" before it runs at all.
However, as another commenter pointed out, this generates a ton of false positives. Basically everything that's "brand new" is liable to trigger it. Think your freshly compiled hellow_world.exe. So, all in all, people may no longer pay attention to it and just click through all warnings.
__natty__ 3 hours ago
Not exactly for software (although there is such section) but I use end of life [0] website. Besides time when certain software will be outdated it also tells you their release time.
Foobar8568 3 hours ago
Beside Virus Total, I am unsure https://www.virustotal.com/
mikestorrent 2 hours ago
seanw444 2 hours ago
You could put it into an LLM, since that's what we do for everything else nowadays.
layer8 2 hours ago
I’m not one to chase the new and shiny, but how do you know a nominally months-old software package isn’t a newly compromised version at the time you download it?
ndriscoll 41 minutes ago
I don't know about other managers, but nixpkgs has hashes of the package I'm installing, and is a git repo, so I can easily detect a history rewrite, and I have the full history of package changes over time. Since it's a git repo, I can also easily install things as of a given time.
herecomesthepre 43 minutes ago
Windows has this thing called digital signing with certificates that Linux users like to pretend doesn't exist or in the case of yesterday's Wireguard / VeraCrypt discussion, think it's an evil capitalist scheme to control the world.
Digital signing on Windows predates Mac developer certificates by years but arguably wasn't widely used outside of security-paranoid organizations.
Before someone says Linux offers GPG signing it's mostly useless without a central PKI. Developers offer the public key for download on the same server as the software. If someone uploaded compromised software, surely they would replace the key with their own.
leptons an hour ago
I hope you don't think that waiting a month will protect you. Malicious software can wait to be triggered months or years before anything malicious happens.
sourcegrift 3 hours ago
Thanks the web that produced css programmers who have been taught latest is greatest and shiny gets money.
leptons 2 hours ago
"new, shiny" has never been a problem with CSS. Either browsers support some CSS attribute or they don't.
You're probably thinking about Javascript programmers.
quantummagic 4 hours ago
> after the download my Windows Defender instantly detecting a virus.
> (because i am often working with programms which triggering the defender i just ignored that)
This again shows the unfortunate corrosive effect of false-positives. Probably impossible to solve while aggressively detecting viruses though.
pshirshov 3 hours ago
But sorta possible to solve with source-based distribution and totally possible to solve with pure reproducible builds.
gertop 2 hours ago
It's entirely possible to ship malware in source form... Just look at the numerous supply chain attacks. Nix is a cute project but entirely irrelevant here.
miniBill an hour ago
daveguy 3 hours ago
What systems have pure reproducible builds? Does Nix? Any others? From what I understand, it is a very difficult problem.
pshirshov 2 hours ago
eviks 3 hours ago
If only there were a great Windows app store or a package manager to help with the impossible...
cachius 4 hours ago
It's HWMonitor https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html and not HWInfo https://www.hwinfo.com/
So two programs from CPUID. I wonder if there are more affected.
Same topic on Reddit at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47718830 @dang
orthogonal_cube 4 hours ago
Seems the installers hosted by them are fine. The links on the site have been changed to direct people towards Cloudflare R2 storage with various copies of malicious executables.
Looking forward to information down the line on how this came about.
1970-01-01 3 hours ago
Not exactly a supply chain compromise, as devs should be smart enough to update via a package manager such as winget and chocolatey, but it certainly fits for a watering hole attack.
Terr_ 2 hours ago
I suppose one could view it as a supply-chain compromise of an alternate chain that's very short.
kyrra 4 hours ago
For windows users, this is an advantage of using `winget` for installing things. It points to the installer hosted elsewhere, but it at least does a signature check. The config for the latest installer is listed here: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-pkgs/blob/master/manifes...
which you can install with:
winget install --exact --id CPUID.CPU-Z
fuzzy2 3 hours ago
No, WinGet does not generally protect against this. While PRs to update package versions are verified in some way before going live, the necessary throughput can only be achieved with shallow checks. A determined actor could easily get a malicious update in, once they control the original source.
Other than that, WinGet is mostly just "run setup.exe". It is not a package manager. It's basically MajorGeeks as a mediocre CLI.
eviks 3 hours ago
This manifest only shows sha checks, which wouldn't help if the manifest is updated during the site compromise. How does it do the signature check?
actionfromafar 3 hours ago
Presumably the manifest is in github and won't auto-update when something on the CPU-Z website changes?
eviks 3 hours ago
ww520 3 hours ago
Yes. Winget is getting better support on Windows apps. The other day I tried to download the latest version of ImageMagick but all the links on the official site were bad. I tried Winget and it had it!
hypeatei 3 hours ago
Package managers also saved people from the Notepad++ hijack that was disclosed a couple months ago.
I think devs should avoid distributing their software on first party sites unless they're willing to dedicate a bunch of time to making sure all the infra is secure. Not a lot of people verify signatures, but it's also good to have your PKI in order (signing keys should be available on multiple channels)
kevincloudsec 5 hours ago
same threat group hit filezilla last month with a fake domain. this time they didn't even need a fake domain, they compromised the real one's api layer. the attack is evolving from 'trick users into visiting the wrong site' to 'make the right site serve the wrong file.'
cachius 5 hours ago
This is bad. I like to install software with winget. Are the versions there also compromised?
v1.63 updated 6 days ago https://github.com/microsoft/winget-pkgs/tree/master/manifes... via https://winstall.app/apps/CPUID.HWMonitor
v2.19 updated 15 days ago https://github.com/microsoft/winget-pkgs/tree/master/manifes... via https://winstall.app/apps/CPUID.CPU-Z
amatecha 4 hours ago
some good details here https://xcancel.com/vxunderground/status/2042483067655262461
kevincloudsec 5 hours ago
same threat group hit filezilla last month. they're specifically targeting utilities that tech-savvy users trust and download from official sources. the attack surface is the the api layer that generates download links, not the binary itself
cachius 4 hours ago
Grok post linking further sources: https://x.com/i/grok/share/3b870ceb9b424c01bf89afbe0de3bd81
BoredPositron 3 hours ago
"Bug fixes and general improvements."
Supply chain attacks are easier because changelogs for most software are useless now if they are provided at all.
unethical_ban 4 hours ago
I've wondered about this while using CachyOS and their package installer. I don't know what repos do what, I don't really understand the security model of the AUR, and I wonder, if I download a package, how can I know it's legitimate or otherwise by some trusted user of the community vs. some random person?
cephi 4 hours ago
To provide some quick information (I implore others to correct me here):
- CachyOS packages should be coming from known, trusted CachyOS and Arch Linux maintainers. There is still potential for them or their original packages to get compromised (See XZ backdoor) however they are pulling source code from trusted sources so you can generally trust these as much as your trust the OS itself.
- AUR packages are a complete wild west. AUR packages are defined by PKGBUILD files and I highly recommend learning how to read PKGBUILDs and always reading them before installation and re-reading them when they are updated. PKGBUILDs for AUR packages can be treated as untrusted shell scripts and to a certain extent an arbitrary actor can make and upload any PKGBUILD to the AUR. Feel free to use them, but make sure A) they are downloading from trusted sources like the original git repo and B) they are running commands that are expected.
EDIT: Improved accuracy.
wang_li 4 hours ago
Jesus. I see that post and comment section and I immediately expect to hear Joey telling me about how this ATM is Idaho started spraying cash after his hack of the Gibson. That is a real-life reproduction of the perception of hackers in films in the '90s.
daneel_w an hour ago
And CSI: Miami, which kept the vibe alive through the 2000s and "educated the masses" on how IT works. Beep boop, I'm in.
vntok an hour ago
The counter-hacker double-keyboarding sequence was inspiring.
vntok 4 hours ago
From the thread:
> Q: Why the heck did you hyperlink [the malware installer]?
> A: If someone reads this and they still click the download then they kind of deserve the virus tbh
metalliqaz 4 hours ago
someone has some l33t sk1llz