Microsoft isn't removing Copilot from Windows 11, it's just renaming it (neowin.net)

233 points by bundie 6 hours ago

WhiteDawn 8 minutes ago

Microsoft put AI, Tabs, a login portal, a 'search with bing' action and text formatting on notepad before a 'redo' button to pair with the 'undo' action.

That says everything about the current product priorities that you need to know.

wing-_-nuts 4 hours ago

I have windows on my desktop pc because it's easier to get executable mods (downgraders, engine fixes, etc) working on windows than linux. There's also the matter of 'kernel level anti-cheat' games not working.

But if I just judge windows vs linux, on even ground, W11 is painful. I've main'd linux on my laptop for ~ 25 years. There was a time when it was a jank experience that I put up with for better devex, but that ended in the late 00's. From that point forward, unless you were trying to get bleeding edge hardware to work, linux has been hands down better.

It's enough that I've considered giving up online play all together just to have a nicer computing experience.

californical 4 hours ago

I just run two drives - one with windows and one with Linux.

I treat the windows one as a console essentially, not even logged into my password manager or email or anything. It is only for games. Basically an Xbox, with all sorts of normal annoying UX, but it doesn’t matter for all of the ~2 minutes until I can launch a game

Separate linux drive for everything else.

marcosscriven 32 minutes ago

I installed Proxmox on my main desktop - with GPU passthrough I can quickly switch to a Windows desktop for the rare games that need it (mostly VR).

ghighi7878 4 hours ago

I have a windows machine connected to my TV for games. Thats it. 1000 Euro machine with 500 Euro GPU. Also use it for govts windows only thingies.

dathinab 3 hours ago

wing-_-nuts 4 hours ago

That's ...not the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds again. While I can of course afford it, it wounds my soul to pay the AI / tariff tax on components.

GeoAtreides 3 hours ago

fhd2 4 hours ago

connicpu 4 hours ago

For me last year was the tipping point, with Windows 10 hitting EOL I refused to move to the buggy mess of 11. All the games I regularly play are now nearly flawless in proton and games that refuse to run on Linux just don't exist for me anymore. Admittedly I already didn't play the kinds of highly competitive online games that like to use KLAC, so might be a tougher sell if that's your jam. Most of my game time goes to FF14 and GW2.

seabrookmx 3 hours ago

I assume this isn't the case with every machine, but every hardware I've ever owned (including the Framework 13, which has pretty good Linux support) has had worse battery life under Linux (mainstream distros like Fedora and Ubuntu).

To say nothing of the truly excellent battery life Macs these days get.

That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

HumblyTossed 2 hours ago

> That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

Pop_os! with the system76 power daemon makes a world of difference on my tiny AMD powered Lenovo ideapad.

wkrsz 2 hours ago

David Heinemeier Hansson reports excellent battery life on 2026 Dell XPS 14 with Panther Lake https://world.hey.com/dhh/panther-lake-is-the-real-deal-4bd7...

seabrookmx 2 hours ago

tracker1 3 hours ago

I tend to run pretty close to the edge on hardware (9950x, 9070xt, gen5 nvme)... I've had a few issues with that in Linux... that said, I've been using Linux as the main OS on my desktop for a while now, and when I upgraded about a year ago, I ditched the Windows drive entirely.

I do have a Windows Server 2025 and Win11 VM running for a couple testing issues, but that's about it. That said, there seems to be a few integration issues on Wayland where the RDP client or the VM UI both will not intercept hotkeys like alt-tab, which makes it kind of painful to use the VM effectively.

Even with the rough edges in Cosmic, I'll still take it over the jank they keep addding to Windows.

vidarh 3 hours ago

Yeah, I mostly stopped checking hardware compatibility for Linux ~10 years ago. Every now and again there's an issue, but it's usually easy to work around, or I wait a little bit and it's resolved. When it got to the point that I felt I didn't need to check any more, it was a big deal.

tracker1 an hour ago

MiddleEndian 4 hours ago

Anecdotally, my (smart but doesn't really care much about computers) fiancee was able to get all dozen of her mods for The Sims working on Bazzite Linux without any help from me besides a chmod +x to one script.

But we don't play any online multiplayer games, so YMMV on that one.

TheGRS 3 hours ago

Its always been a momentum thing for me, grew up on Windows, esp in my LAN party days. The guys running linux couldn't play 90% of the games the rest of us were. When dev became more important to me I would typically reach for something else because the windows dev experience always kind of sucked IMO (unless you were a .NET person, which for the most part I was not).

I have a spare laptop with Pop OS on it now and I'm really enjoying it. Kind of forget I'm on it sometimes. I'm considering putting it as my OS for my main powerful laptop that I play most of my games on.

LetsGetTechnicl an hour ago

I dual boot Windows and Pop OS. I find the Windows 10 LTSC experience totally perfect, and it has a longer EOL.

themagician 34 minutes ago

LTSC is the “real” Windows. It’s so boring and terrific.

What I don’t understand is why they don’t make it more available. Just let people pay for it. I do not understand why they don’t.

pawelduda 4 hours ago

I repeat this story every now and then but I "maintain" a 18 years old laptop with Ubuntu (mainly for Internet) for non-tech savvy user. I put it in quotes because I just run apt update every now and then - that's it. Just works. The only bottleneck is how resource-hungry browsers got over time but it remains usable. Ubuntu was installed sometime back in 2017 and there was no need for fresh reinstall since then.

rbanffy 3 hours ago

I did that for my mom. At some point she learned to click through the Ubuntu updater and she kept her machine updated by herself. I only kept tabs on her computer via the server monitoring tooling I had on my network.

Barbing 3 hours ago

SoftTalker 2 hours ago

That can't be literally true, no release of Ubuntu is still getting updates after 18 years. At some point you have to upgrade to the next release, and that's not quite as simple.

wing-_-nuts 12 minutes ago

LetsGetTechnicl an hour ago

baq 3 hours ago

Linux is missing good vm defaults (dirty_bytes etc.) - out of the box settings on the distros I tried are abysmal; both windows and macos are much saner.

Other than that, yeah, it's a royal pain in the ass. It's treating the user primarily as an upsell funnel.

Aardwolf 3 hours ago

I don't seem to have issues modding games like Skyrim, Fallout 4 or Factorio on Linux

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago

Do you use executable mods? Downgraders, engine fixes, etc? I'm also curious what mod manager you use, because getting MO2 to work under linux is a bit janky as well.

Aardwolf 2 hours ago

joombaga 3 hours ago

dathinab 3 hours ago

it's a question of tooling, modding kits

most times it this tooling which causes issues not the mod itself

For very popular games it's not rare if moddingkit/tooling producer (or contributes) made the tooling work on Linux, but it can be very hit or miss.

but it increasingly more "just works", kinda, somewhat

delecti 3 hours ago

bradley13 an hour ago

If you avoid games that demand kernel-level access, gaming on Linux works just fine.

Honestly, I don't trust game producers enough to grant then kernel access. Do you? Really?

wing-_-nuts 10 minutes ago

I don't trust windows with access to sensitive data, much less games. I do all banking, etc on my linux laptop. My desktop is for messing around with AI / ML / games

IshKebab 2 hours ago

Install the IoT LTSC edition. No crapware at all. It's a really solid OS. Less painful than Linux overall.

delecti 21 minutes ago

Is there any legitimate way to do that? Last I heard, that version needed an Enterprise license which end-users realistically can't realistically get.

iLoveOncall 3 hours ago

I run Windows 11 as my main desktop (and use Mac at work and have a bunch of servers / NAS where I run debian), and W11 is not painful at all.

I installed the Professional edition, disabled a few settings that I don't like the first time I installed it, and haven't had any issue or friction since then.

Meanwhile I'm constantly frustrated at MacOS and obviously you can't do anything on Linux without running into some sort of trouble.

rdiddly 3 hours ago

So they didn't remove it, they just renamed it? Reminds me of that time we fixed racism by renaming the master branch to main.

eps 2 hours ago

Slavery. It was meant to fix slavery.

Rasism was fixed by not using black- and whitelists on firewalls. Separate endeavour.

Glant 2 hours ago

At least Comcast isn't the company with the worst customer support now, we can give that honor to Xfinity

claudiug 3 hours ago

all the racism is gone now /s

rbanffy 3 hours ago

The BDSM community felt attacked.

tanseydavid 2 hours ago

Barbing 3 hours ago

Maybe comparing <the sum total of annoyance from reading the old name> to <the current sum total of annoyance reading the current name>, it was a positive direction overall?

ecshafer 2 hours ago

I don’t believe that more than .0001% of people actually felt annoyance. Master branch was used referencing a master, as in the master copy of a record, not a slave master. No normal people were actually annoyed by that.

rurp 2 hours ago

You need to add all of the real world breakage to scripts and tutorials on the right side of that ledger. Plus the negative effects of virtue signaling undermining efforts at substantive change.

Also, are we supposed to ban the word master from all of it's dozens of normal English use-cases? I never got a clear answer on why git branch names were so much more harmful than someone mastering a skill or making a master record.

seanw444 30 minutes ago

stronglikedan 3 hours ago

nope. to this day, it's still fucks people up and causes mistakes. it was stupid then, and it's still just as stupid. virtue signalling is always fucking stupid, and sometimes, like in this case, is flat out egregious

smrtinsert 2 hours ago

lnenad 3 hours ago

I mean, if you were to do that, I'd wager more people are annoyed with the change than were annoyed with the original name. So no, it was a negative direction overall.

SkyeCA an hour ago

It was preformative nonsense that caused (and still causes!) more hassle than it was worth

lemonish97 5 hours ago

From the article: "Additionally, AI features in Notepad settings has been renamed to Advanced features and it allows users to toggle off AI capabilities within the app."

I honestly don't mind this, as long as it's not being forced. And I believe this feature exists only within their npu PCs.

hootz 5 hours ago

But it's just so unnecessary. Everyone has always expected Notepad to be a simple utility as it has always been, why does it need optional AI features? It just feels like bloat.

lynndotpy 3 hours ago

When I stopped using Windows, it was because it required so much constant upkeep and maintenance to stay usable. You had to stay on top of the latest tool that disables tracking, things like Cortana you'd want to remove, the latest toggles you have to disable, what toggles revert themselves when you update. These all exist behind different shifting UI toggles which are not accessibly automatable. And all the while, you have to hope your registry edits don't force you to a lengthy reinstall where you have to redo all of these.

I could be wrong, but as far as I know there's not one "Fix Windows 11" tool maintained to do all this for you.

"You have to toggle AI features off in Notepad, and they changed the name to Advanced Features now," is just another heaving brick on the pile.

trueno an hour ago

tracker1 3 hours ago

I really think MS should have just resurrected the "Wordpad" app name for what the new "Nptepad" does. It would be far less annoying if they'd just done that.

delecti 18 minutes ago

trueno an hour ago

philistine 2 hours ago

I’d argue it is Microsoft’s own damn fault. They seem to have completely abandoned improving their system, in favour of dumping everything in their apps. Apple has introduced writing tools at the OS level, so you can use their LLM in TextEdit and no one complains.

pbhjpbhj an hour ago

Sharlin 4 hours ago

Reminder that this is the company that decided to replace Paint with something called "Paint 3D", the laggiest and bloatiest "literally nobody wanted this" drawing app I've ever seen.

Rohansi 4 hours ago

MisterTea 8 minutes ago

hydrogen7800 4 hours ago

whynotmaybe 4 hours ago

mlnj 4 hours ago

raincole 2 hours ago

> Everyone has always expected Notepad to be a simple utility as it has always been

Except the youngest of the demography who don't have this expectation, and live in AI hype era since they're kids.

razster 2 hours ago

Even with it off, you can still see that it uses a lot of resources for a basic Notepad. I've ditched Windows for work, second drive now has Windows for gaming and that is all. I can do all my work on Linux and that is fine by me.

saghm 4 hours ago

If I'm understanding correctly, you have to go into "advanced" features to turn off AI? So someone who doesn't think they're an expert who needs advanced features might not ever go and look there? I'd argue that "advanced" features are something that a casual user would expect to be off by default and need to go out of their way to enable.

mcdeltat 4 hours ago

"advanced" in 2026 is closer to "using the app how you want to as rather than the way that will generate the corporation maximum profits"

dataflow 3 hours ago

BizarroLand 27 minutes ago

I would prefer off by default.

No nags, just a simple, "We are offering you this feature, use it or don't, it's your computer".

noir_lord 4 hours ago

Be better if there was a global "Disable AI" option easily found in the settings that is a flag everywhere.

Some of us (including very much me) simply do not want Copilot/AI anything and playing whackamole with settings is annoying but we'll do it anyway and it leaves a bad taste.

Since it's the software equivalent of been in a filing cabinet in the basement behind a door that has a sign saying "Beware the Leopard".

In reality it's a moot point, I disable AI features and Windows is a gloried steamos box for me at this point, I do my actual computing booted into Linux and have for decades.

Topfi 4 hours ago

The "AI" additions to Notepad are not limited to systems with an NPU. Why would they be, it's powered by LLMs running on Azure [0].

These sudden additions also correlated with the first CVE [1] in Notepad since its inception, so maybe their attention isn't where it should be.

I for one very much mind this and many other inclusions including the metastatic takeover off Office. OneDrive also was forced upon and severely worsened functioning software, despite not being "AI", so there is precedent at least.

[0] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enhance-your-wri...

[1] https://infosecwriteups.com/the-dumb-editor-that-got-too-sma...

tosti 5 hours ago

IMHO they're just hiding the wolf in sheep clothing. Can't complain about AI if it's not called AI. Modern problems require modern solutions, you get the idea. The snark in TFA about shareholders and stakeholders hits the nail on the head.

jgalt212 4 hours ago

> I honestly don't mind this, as long as it's not being forced.

This is indeed a step forward. With QuickBooks, there is currently no way to disable their extremely intrusive AI. I may just vibe-code a browser extension to block it. Fight fire with fire.

andrewdubinsky an hour ago

Please let it be Cortana. Don't give up on her.

AuryGlenz 40 minutes ago

For real, it was insane to drop Cortana. Halo-aside, it’s a great name for an AI assistant.

MengerSponge 34 minutes ago

Deep lore, seems helpful, cute avatar, becomes evil? Yeah it's a perfect name for an AI assistant

bachmeier 3 hours ago

I honestly don't understand Microsoft's AI strategy. It seems to be built around automating the writing process. If you ask MS 365 Copilot (as opposed to the many other Copilots) what it can do, it's deeply disappointing:

"Can you edit the Word document so the format is in line with these requirements?"

"No, but I can help you draft an implementation consistent with the requirements."

"Can you add this section to the 35 individual copies of this document in this OneDrive folder?"

"No, but I can help you draft [something]."

This is NOT the AI revolution anyone was waiting for.

madeofpalk 38 minutes ago

This is decidedly the result of a lack of strategy. Microsoft isn’t a single unified borg.

Instead, all the little individual teams got their hands on these capabilities and they figured out where to shove it. At “best” there would have been the head of Windows or Office or whatever saying to all their reports “go do AI!”

mring33621 3 hours ago

It looks like you're trying to write something! Click here to have me fuck it up for you!

mikaeluman an hour ago

I have been using Windows on my laptop and been annoyed by how performance have really degraded.

RAM consumption on startup is 50% (of 16Gi).

I asked claude to help me remove bloat and was horrified by all the different background services and "enhanced" and "advanced" features that are always ON.

I don't think it's fair to say "no AI in any app", however. That should depend on the value delivered in the app.

But I do wish there was some honest restraint on all these weird OS services that no one wants/uses.

jasoneckert 3 hours ago

I think we'll see this happen over time in all tools - individual AI brands replaced by generic AI icons.

The real question is this: While the floppy disk became the standard "Save" icon, what will eventually become the standard "AI functionality" icon?

pawsocks 3 hours ago

I'm guessing the 'sparkle' icon will stick around, for better or worse

micromacrofoot 2 hours ago

I think it's even more than that, they'll be features without AI even being mentioned

benterix 5 hours ago

> At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the operating system in 2026.

Interesting, I can't recall a single voice "Oh I'm so happy they changed their corporate strategy" but many of "I'll believe it when I see it".

shevy-java 5 hours ago

Ah, you make a great point - I made almost the same comment a moment ago, because I remember that Microslop babbled about "we will listen to the community" some weeks ago. Guess it was indeed at the start of the year.

So those who were skeptic were right - one can not trust Microslop. Its AI addiction is too strong already. It sold its soul to AI. There is no way back for Microslop anymore. All Win11 users will have to support AI. AI up all the things! \o/

cordwainersmith 2 hours ago

So they're reshuffling the branding again. At this rate they'll rename it three more times before most people figure out what it does.

drooopy 2 hours ago

They’re doomed to repeat the cycle of reinventing Clippy every few years and always failing at it.

6DM an hour ago

I spun up an old laptop the other day and it has Windows 10 on it. I can't believe how snappy and fast that old laptop felt in comparison to what I've been experiencing on Windows 11.

Especially when you consider that the old laptop has inferior hardware to my newer one with twice the RAM.

I just hate using windows at this point.

_HMCB_ 4 hours ago

Seems like what Apple does with Writing Assistant. At least in this case, it’s opt-in. You have to click. I don’t run Windows so I don’t know if this implementation is vastly superior or not.

Shank 3 hours ago

If you turn off Apple Intelligence, it’s one switch and features like that are gone from every single location.

ChrisArchitect an hour ago

Previously:

Microsoft starts removing Copilot buttons from Windows 11 apps

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47722136

lovegrenoble 3 hours ago

Moved to MacOS, chao Copilot...

protoster 5 hours ago

> At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the operating system in 2026

The only thing generated was boatloads of incredulity and some laughs.

benterix 5 hours ago

Yeah, I remember the same. Also, "Windows 11 fans" sounds like an oxymoron.

bilekas 4 hours ago

Might be considered "Windows 11 Hostages" instead given they've dropped support for using anything else.

bluescrn 3 hours ago

tosti 5 hours ago

It could relate to the amount of *pu and system fans needed to run so much bloatware :)

rbanffy 3 hours ago

Microsoft Live Copilot anyone?

kjs3 3 hours ago

Needs more 'Clippy'.

rbanffy 3 hours ago

Live Clippy sounds very creepy.

catlikesshrimp 3 hours ago

aizk 3 hours ago

Microsoft is collapsing under the weight of their own bloat.

tosti 5 hours ago

luxuryballs 4 hours ago

I hope this is better than seeing that Copilot logo infecting every menu, I’ve had to use registry hacks to get rid of that thing.

jmclnx 5 hours ago

No surprise for large companies, one company even renamed itself but its approval ratings still stayed in the basement.

A fortune 500 company I worked for renamed internal projects many times when the original failed. But they continued dumping money into those black holes. One dollar eating project was renamed 3 times and was on its way for a 4th rename when I left. That project was started between 2005 and 2010. I was not involved with it, but everyone knew it would fail.

So M/S renaming copilot ? I expect a few more renames as time goes on :)

themagician 39 minutes ago

Please just make W11 IOT LTSC more available. Please. Pretty please?

porridgeraisin 3 hours ago

The copilot executable and the edge executable are actually the same! It looks at argv[0] to decide which to show you. You can move mscopilot.exe to msedge.exe, it still opens edge. And vice versa.

lovegrenoble 2 hours ago

Microslop? No trust.

smrtinsert 2 hours ago

Deep copilot integration feels so intrusive. It pops up with your recent files. What if they were my bank accounts or api keys? Whoever thought that would be a good use experience should be fired.

ChrisArchitect an hour ago

who of you is using Notepad for anything?

qwerpy 6 minutes ago

I built a new PC at around the same time that notepad++ was exploited so I steered clear of it for a bit. And VSCode was becoming too clunky to use as a general purpose text editor. So I tried the new notepad. The new version is also clunky and sluggish, and I didn’t want Copilot, so I switched back to notepad++ after a few days.

gverrilla 3 hours ago

Sorry if your a windows user, but you have no escape, only Linux. Until you get the time and courage to do the move, you will continually be abused by microslop.

SilentM68 42 minutes ago

I like Copilot. Don't hate any OS, Windows, MacOS or Linux. Just don't see much thought put into the design, engineering and User Experience aspect of some of these OS iterations. As far as Copilot, I can't see a way to exist without it because it keeps me off my mobile phone :)

kotaKat 4 hours ago

It's almost as if Microsoft really loves to assault and abuse its users and claim its for our own good.

I'm tired of being a victim.

scotty79 an hour ago

If only there was a virtual machine I could run Windows in with full hardware passthrough, I think I wouldn't ever install Windows as main system anymore.

mring33621 3 hours ago

Welcome to the new FartPilot!

NoSalt 3 hours ago

LOL ... of course it is.

shevy-java 5 hours ago

Didn't Microsoft say it will listen to the community, some weeks ago? And now it looks as if Microsoft did not tell the truth. To be fair: I think Microsoft actually has no alternative option. They sold out to AI and all Win11 users will have to support the hype train. I am so glad to have switched to Linux a long time ago.

whynotmaybe 4 hours ago

Well, they heard that we don't like copilot in notepad so they removed "copilot" from notepad.

And right after that they added a brand new feature called tolipoc that will revolutionize the way you analyze your logs or modify your 17 year old cmd file!

Want to create a file with the current date and time? No need to google for it, tolipoc will do it for you!

a1o 4 hours ago

Is the last sentence a reference to the .LOG classic notepad hack?

pndy 3 hours ago

You prob recall this thing from 23 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47459296

For me there's nothing MS could do at this point that would bring me back. And as I said in that thread, it's too late for them - people are moving elsewhere, maybe not in big numbers but exodus is in progress. MS harassed their users/clients too hard and for too long; now it's time to "enjoy" fruits of their deranged actions and decisions.

xacky 4 hours ago

Copilot has been reduced to "Internet Explorer" status, where it is the "AI to download another AI".

prmoustache 2 hours ago

That is a smart move from them. People have AI advertising fatigue but they sure like some of the features it allows. I don't know of anyone asking their 15y nephew to edit their ex or a photobomber out of a photo anymore, they just do themselves from their smartphone. They use automatic translation everywhere, they don't even look at links in web search but read the answer provided by an LLM, they sure fall into periodic meme/trends like converting photos to Studio Ghibli like drawing a year ago or whatever is trendy today, etc.