Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets (github.com)

261 points by m-hodges 4 hours ago

tekno45 3 hours ago

https://x.com/sterlingcrispin/status/2043723823678382254

They admit no returns.

But it does seem like a fun project and nowhere does it say anything about returns or profits so not scammy imo just funny meme backed code

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

Yes exactly.

The bot has zero risk management and I have a strong disclaimer on the github it is essentially a meme.

73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though.

There's a good dataset on huggingface if you wanted to do some data science

https://huggingface.co/datasets/SII-WANGZJ/Polymarket_data

pinkmuffinere an hour ago

> 73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though.

I bet the average price for a no bet across these markets is 73 cents.

bargainbin 12 minutes ago

traderj0e an hour ago

kristopolous an hour ago

theginger an hour ago

Does the existence of that knowledge make a slight bias lowering the odd on no? I could fork this and with a 1 line change earn dozens of dollars as long as I don't tell anyone what that secret change is.

raincole 2 hours ago

> 73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though.

I wonder what it means exactly. Typical Polymarket looks like this:

X happens before May. [Yes][No]

X happens before June. [Yes][No]

X happens before July. [Yes][No]

...

So even if X ended up happens in December, it's still 12.5% Yes and 87.5% No?

traderj0e an hour ago

tekno45 an hour ago

its funny, tells you it barely works, and its a good meme.

Successful project imo.

craftkiller an hour ago

yyurgenson 43 minutes ago

It must be true that more markets resolve to no than yes because many markets are linked and only have one winner. (ie. if there are 10 people in the race for who will be the next president, 9 will resolve to no)

topspin an hour ago

"just funny meme backed code"

I laughed. That's inspired. Quite the nerd-snipe as well, based on the rapidly accumulating threads on effectiveness, probabilities and markets.

cordwainersmith 3 hours ago

The contrarian bet is fun but I wonder how it actually holds up. Prediction markets do tend to overprice dramatic outcomes, so "always bet no" isn't as dumb as it sounds. Would love to see real P&L over a few months, not just the thesis.

traderj0e 2 hours ago

I've backtested this kind of strategy, and it had a good return (like 100% APR), but then I realized it was cheating by knowing when things are going to resolve. Often times it's not clear. Your return depends a lot on how quickly you can get your money out. I never got around to trying a strat that doesn't know the resolution time, which actually has to be manual cause it takes some judgement to pick things that you expect to resolve soon.

Also requires a lot of volume to be "predictable" obviously, since 1 loss sets you back 10-20 wins. It's surprisingly hard to find reasonable-liquidity markets after all your filtering. Many have huge spreads or thin books. Scare quotes around "predictable" because you never know if others will use this strat or a lot of unlikely events will happen due to insiders.

Another thing, just like the author, I was excluding sports in all the above. Yes Polymarket is famous for letting people bet on world events etc, but turns out it's still more about sports. Betting on the overdog in sports markets seems more appealing because there are plenty of those events with large volume, they're kinda homogenous, you know exactly when they resolve, and they're harder to rig. I simply never got around to putting real time or money into the overdog strat.

baq 2 hours ago

> One loss sets you back 10-20 wins.

didn't look at the numbers, but this one sentence reminds me of selling options for 'passive income' (don't do that)

traderj0e 2 hours ago

doctorpangloss 2 hours ago

traderj0e 15 minutes ago

Forgot to add, I wet-ran the non-sports strat once with $100 and lost like $5 net across the month. Not enough diversification like I said, so yeah maybe I'd make $6 the next month. I could only find like 10 things that met all the criteria: ≥90c price, low spread, thick enough ask ($5?), not sports, not related to certain topics that I thought were rigged (eg Mr Beast, Trump saying keywords in speech), likely resolving within a week. Some of them also weirdly took longer to resolve than the title suggested.

wormpilled 3 hours ago

Basically arbitraging human imagination. People love coming up with fantastical concepts because they get attention, but the more exciting a market is, the less likely it is to actually happen. Reality is usually boring.

suzzer99 3 hours ago

My general observation is that people tend to underestimate the likelihood of black swan events (covid, financial crisis) even as it's pretty obvious they're happening. And then when they do accept it, they react too far the other way and assume it's never going to end.

I've had success playing the markets in these specific cases. I did fritter away a lot of my gains from the financial crisis thinking I was a genius market timer. But I learned my lesson and didn't waver once I jumped back in after covid.

In both cases I got out before a bulk of the crash and timed the bottom almost to the day. Lucky I know, but I had reasons for both. For the financial crisis it was when Bill Fleckenstein closed his bear fund and put it all in MSFT. For covid it was when it looked like the lockdown was working and NYC hospitals weren't going to completely fall over like Northern Italy or Wuhan.

For any non black-swan scenarios, I assume I'll never get one up on the masters of the universe and just leave everything in blended age-appropriate funds.

I'm very concerned about an AI crash and the future of white collar work in general. But it feels more like a slow death to me than a black swan. So I'm just hedging with bonds and cash and stocks that hopefully don't crash as hard in a recession.

bredren an hour ago

They underestimate the likelihood of black swan because it is very hard for adults to concretely imagine things that have not happened before and then even temporarily fully believe ~"dreams will come true."

One of my go-tos on this is the Fukushima nuclear accident. IIUC there were plenty of folks in Japan who knew of the high risk. Perhaps many interested in nuclear energy outside of Japan, too.

But the average adult if asked about the prospect of a major nuclear incident occurring say, "tomorrow," would narrow their eyes in skepticism. There's almost an instinctual level seeding of doubt.

This can be a good thing. LK-99 was an excellent test of the dissonance from dramatic changes in reality and costs of inaccuracy.

The greatest VCs I have known are exceptional at suspending disbelief to test their ability to basically shape world building.

recursivecaveat 2 hours ago

I would also not want to take even a fair bet against black swan because the day that "S&P500 falls to lowest level since 2016 as Labubus collapse" is the headline is the exact day I least want to lose a big pile of money gambling. If it's the shareholder's money though.... I'm probably getting laid off in that scenario anyways...

chairmansteve 2 hours ago

I make similar bets. The SAAS "apocalypse" looks like a buying opportunity to me.

nemomarx 3 hours ago

This makes sense to me, but isn't there a risk of increasing the potential payoff high enough that someone is motivated to go out and make the yes side happen?

Consider this bot running on us military outcomes or something.

cryptonym 3 hours ago

By design it's a game where people with inside knowledge or enough power to bend reality can steal money from people with gambling addiction. Automating your addiction might not be the best move.

nkrisc 2 hours ago

Spooky23 3 hours ago

You're thinking like an engineer and making the laughable assumption that "prediction markets" are markets. It's totally unregulated with all sorts of grifts and cheats. One of the platforms was promoting a high-return bet against Rory at the Masters yesterday.

You can make money off of all sorts of stuff. You can "sell" the bets, so there's lots of live pump and dump.

We've gone full circle. The bookie with no neck that smelled like onions was more honest than these platforms.

jazzpush2 3 hours ago

Well, that's why things aren't priced uniformly, isn't it?

krashidov an hour ago

Isn't this just picking up pennies on an active railroad track? You'll win small bets and then get run over once a long tail event completely wipes you out.

achandra03 29 minutes ago

I don't think the author is trying to pretend this is some sophisticated strategy you should actually use (note the chudjak in the image on github)

_3u10 29 minutes ago

If you bet it all on one event yes, otherwise long tail just loses your bet. Downside risk is limited to your bet.

slg 2 hours ago

It's interesting that this is explicitly for non-sports markets because I see no reason why this would be less applicable there. Sports betters have long talked about that the winning strategy is usually to bet the under (i.e. the no) on most bets. The over (i.e. the yes) is generally a more exciting and fun outcome which causes it to attract more betters which in turns makes that side overpriced.

Like with this bot, I have no idea if that will still lead to actual positive returns. This might just be a remnant from a time when these betting lines were set less intelligently. But all things being equal, it seems logical that "boring" bets would have a better return in the long run than "exciting" bets as long as some betters are at least partially motivated by entertainment.

There's probably a lot of knowledge like this that sports betters have built up over decades that could apply to these new forms of non-sports gambling.

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

it avoids sports bets because "Who will win game 6 of XYZ" is formatted on the polymarket backend as a Yes/No bet. There's a lot of markets with Yes/No plumbing even though you wouldn't interpret them as such

slg 2 hours ago

Fair enough, I assumed the exclusion of sports with a deliberate decision rather than one forced on the project due to the technical details of the platform.

dheera 2 hours ago

Strategies like this can easily be positive EV until enough people discover it and that actually is the driving force behind efficient pricing.

Here's how the mechanism works: I find that something is statistically worth $0.70 but I am able to buy it for $0.60 and statistically sell it for $0.70 (in the average). I make $0.10 each trade on average. Until you come along, copy my strategy and change $0.60 to $0.61 to frontrun my trades. Then someone else does it for $0.62. Until the market finally reprices to $0.70 where it should be. The guy who tries $0.71 loses money and stops, and then it goes back to $0.70. It's a stable feedback loop.

There are lots of positive EV strategies lying around in these inefficient markets that Citadel hasn't (yet) descended upon. The best advice I can give is if you find one, trade the hell out of it and don't open source it or tell anyone about it, because as soon as more people run it, it will cease to be positive EV and then after that it becomes an infrastructure game.

If it's popular on Github it probably doesn't work.

If you found something that works and is paying your rent, don't put it on Github. My 2 cents.

slg an hour ago

This all really depends on the efficiency of the market. I think these prediction markets would claim that is their goal, but even Wall Street isn't perfectly efficient. I would also guess that sports betting sites like DraftKings or FanDuel would be even less efficient and less likely to be swayed by a popular GitHub repo. Once again, it goes back to the share of the market that is participating for entertainment purposes. That's a lot more common for sports betting than it is for will the US bomb a certain country.

dheera an hour ago

hodder 3 hours ago

Basically, realized vol is lower than implied vol over time. Yes.

swyx 2 hours ago

also people overpay for skew protection and you can make consistent money selling skews (until that one time it blows up on you)

throwaway2027 3 hours ago

Already priced in.

m-hodges 3 hours ago

The author also noted:

> yes this has to buy below 0.73 long term, the bot has a configurable ceiling set at 0.65 and checks for new markets buying closer to .5

https://x.com/sterlingcrispin/status/2043685362812461436

hoerzu 3 hours ago

For this question I'm working on https://polygains.com

What other question would you like to be backtested? This one is fairly easy

lordnacho an hour ago

gruez 3 hours ago

What happens if you flood the market with a bunch of implausible bets like "sun won't rise tomorrow"? Sure, you might try to filter that out with some sort of "seasoning" period (ie. don't buy new markets), but then that means more time for arbitrageurs to correctly price the market, depriving you of any price advantage you might have had.

fer an hour ago

baq 3 hours ago

Bratmon 2 hours ago

gowld 32 minutes ago

That presumes that there are people selling into new markets at 0.5 without thinking about the actual odds.

jp57 3 hours ago

Except that the mere existence of the market with the question posed for people to consider, probably activates the availability heuristic[1], causing people to overestimate the likelihood.

[1] https://philopedia.org/topics/availability-heuristic/

declan_roberts 2 hours ago

"Nothing ever happens"

faeyanpiraat an hour ago

Benjamin, huh?

Retr0id 2 hours ago

Someone has (had?) a bot on Manifold that does the same thing, and it is profitable: https://manifold.markets/dcxStep

(Manifold doesn't use real money, so there's more "free money" lying around waiting to be picked up than on most real-money markets)

clayhacks an hour ago

Someone needs to make a market on whether or not this is profitable

withinrafael an hour ago

Very confusing. Polymarket doesn't allow US use/users. How are folks in the US participating on Polymarket? (VPNs and the like reportedly don't help either due to KYC policies.)

Cider9986 an hour ago

Cryptocurrency. Even if it is a traceable crypto like usdt, it doesn't seem to be enforced.

JumpCrisscross 42 minutes ago

> Polymarket doesn't allow US use/users. How are folks in the US participating on Polymarket?

Same way Binance did [1]. Assuming they wouldn’t get charged.

[1] https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/362592428897

xboxnolifes an hour ago

Idk if there is new KYC I dont know about, but you just needed a VPN.

fooker 2 hours ago

Don’t be gullible enough to fall for this bad math.

Say 70% of the time it resolves to ‘no’, you still don’t make money by blindly choosing ‘no’.

Guess why?

Hint: This strategy is also described with the macabre analogy: picking up pennies in front of a steamroller.

Do you want to pick up pennies in front of a steamroller?

lokar 2 hours ago

Fall for it? I think it's pretty clear the author is not trying to convince any one of anything. It's mostly a joke.

fer an hour ago

Whether it's pennies in front of a steamroller will depend on the entry price, EV, time left to resolution and many other variables.

Though I agree it's bad math, even if 70% resolve to no, there's a high variance among all of them, and to know whether it's a good bet or not... you have to do your DD on that particular market. Even if you follow the Kelly criterion, randomly choosing bets will probably tank your bankroll sooner or later.

fooker 36 minutes ago

> Whether it's pennies in front of a steamroller will depend on […] many other variables.

No, all these variables cancel out.

If you were picking and choosing, yes. But this approach is basically betting no on all the markets.

The textbook explanation of this is the central limit theorem, proving this mathematically is a bit more involved for power-law systems like this but it’s empirically valid.

tekno45 3 hours ago

any stats on your returns so far?

pawelduda 3 hours ago

Turkey reported high winrate until Thanksgiving

vessenes 3 hours ago

Falling victim to the classic fallacy. So sad

syncsynchalt 3 hours ago

m-hodges 3 hours ago

Not my project, but author said on X:

> Why predict the future when 73.4% of all Polymarkets resolve as No?

https://x.com/sterlingcrispin/status/2043398710013595857

gruez 3 hours ago

That logic doesn't work because not every bet have even payouts. If there's a market for whether a dice rolls 1 or not, the odds might resolve to "no" 83% of the time, but if it only pays you $1.1 per dollar wagered on "no", you're still losing money.

modeless 2 hours ago

Polymarket already has "Nothing Ever Happens" markets where you can bet on a set of events all not happening together. Because why not.

neko_ranger 2 hours ago

"Nothing ever happens" ETF

chrisgd 2 hours ago

Very cool. The opposite of the black swan or turkey corollary. Every day the turkey gets fed and is happy until Thanksgiving rolls around.

thatnerd 3 hours ago

I think we've collectively DDoSed it. I'm getting a 504 timeout.

The author [page](https://github.com/sterlingcrispin) is there on github, but I can't even find his full list of his repos to confirm it's still there (I also get a 504 on that).

thatnerd 2 hours ago

Back up

nothinkjustai 3 hours ago

GitHub is down yet again. Guess they forgot to tell their AI “make no mistakes” while vibecoding.

aprilnya 3 hours ago

I was about to say “first Microsoft service to reach zero 9s of uptime”, but then I realized, it’s Microsoft… GitHub is definitely not the first

swyx 2 hours ago

> Heroku Workflow The shell helpers use either an explicit app name argument or HEROKU_APP_NAME.

nice to see heroku still alive...

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

I love heroku, death to vercel

nzach 3 hours ago

If this seems interesting for you remember that if you are putting $100 in a 99 to 1 bet you need to win 100 times to get $100 but only need to loose 1 time to loose $100.

And the chance of losing at least once in a 99% sure bet after 100 rounds is around 60%. Even if you reduce to 30 rounds it still is around 30%.

This may seem smart at first glance, but the math doesn't really checks out.

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

In your scenario you're assuming the dice rolls are all independent. If polymarket bets were all pure dice rolls the 60% odds you quoted would be true.

But they aren't independent there are a lot of correlations. Global geopolitics for example.

The way the math works out, 73% of markets resolve to No, If you buy No at 0.73 each time you would break even.

Not financial advice of course

thetailrisk 3 hours ago

What's the data situation like if you wanted to backtest a model like this? Is it easily accessible?

croemer 3 hours ago

No, data situation is bad, at least for market making - you need to scrape the orderbook yourself to be able to do any realistic backtesting. And even then, it's hard to know whether other bids at the same price are ahead of you or behind you in the queue.

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

this is a good dataset

https://huggingface.co/datasets/SII-WANGZJ/Polymarket_data

"A comprehensive dataset of 1.9 billion trading records from Polymarket, processed into multiple analysis-ready formats. Features cleaned data, unified token perspectives, and user-level transformations — ready for market research, behavioral studies, and quantitative analysis."

qbane 2 hours ago

null hypothesis bot

1attice 2 hours ago

Too bad we can't run this bot in the nineties. There seems to be quite a bit happening these days.

The stopped clock is right twice a day, but it reads noon and we're at half past three

dheera 2 hours ago

Honest question: Why in all hell would you open source this?

I have been making money with a bot off a statistical anomaly in prediction markets lately. There is no way in hell I will open source it or tell you what that anomaly is because I have capacity back-tested it and there are so many players in the market; if all of HN and Github start downloading and use my code it WILL cease to work.

Put another way, your orders are helping move the market and price the market more efficiently; that's the market compensating you for pricing things better. If a thousand people run your strategy, prices will get moved to exactly the point where your strategy stops working. You effectively split that pie with a thousand people.

boothby 2 hours ago

Well, it's not making money, for one.

debo_ 2 hours ago

Because they are doing it for fun?

unclad5968 2 hours ago

All strategies get priced in eventually. This is basically the thesis of index funds. It's fine to make money in the interim, but that isn't everyone's goal.

sterlingcrispin 2 hours ago

for the lulz obviously

you wouldn't get it

declan_roberts 2 hours ago

I saw the Twitter meme and knew instantly he was going to be a good follow. Was not disappointed!

logicallee 2 hours ago

Disclaimer: I contribute work as a political advisor and don't participate in betting markets as a market participant.

Nevertheless, Polymarket is a very interesting marketplace of sentiments and information, and it can be a very strong leading indicator of huge price movements in "real" markets like the NYSE, in part because it directly measures one factor of sentiment, i.e. whatever the prediction is about. Market sentiment determines market prices on very large and deep markets, too.

In the run-up to the election, when Trump was running against Biden, a betting market was a leading predictor of NASDAQ (a very deep, very liquid index of stocks). I wrote up the findings here: https://medium.com/@rviragh/does-the-stock-market-react-posi...

This indicator was the best one anyone has ever shown for NASDAQ for any signal, period. The signal was so strong it trumped all other signals and variances of any kind. Traders trading with just this signal and no other signal of any kind could have made practically an unlimited amount of money as long as the signal was intact. (Basically, until Biden dropped out.)

I myself didn't place any bet due to my role as a political advisor at the time, but the size of the correlation is still the biggest and most surprising one I've ever seen.