NIST scientists create 'any wavelength' lasers (nist.gov)

114 points by rbanffy 3 hours ago

adzm an hour ago

Everyone talking about magenta and brown, but you can see an illusory color right now even without lasers! https://dynomight.net/colors/ behold, some kind of hyper-turquoise

jcul an hour ago

The whole idea of colour and light frequency is fascinating.

These are just frequencies of light, but the subjective experience of them is so much more.

And the whole thing of my perception of "red" or what I call "red" could be very different to someone else's subjective perception. But we would both call it red and associate it with the same thing, fire, love, heat, danger etc.

da_chicken 13 minutes ago

I think it's important to remember that we're not perceiving some fundamental aspect of light. We're perceiving how the photosensitive portions of our retina convert light to stimulus, and how our brains construct a meaningful image from that stimulus in our mind.

Like film photography doesn't happen in the lens or the world. It happens in that photosensitive chemical reaction, and the decision of the photographer.

awesome_dude 43 minutes ago

But also - colours don't exist without a name

eg. Before Orange, there was only shades of yellow or reds

jjk166 10 minutes ago

junon an hour ago

For those not seeing it or only seeing a little, stare at it for a while then shake your head (or your phone) just a bit.

marzell an hour ago

Also there are other variants and tricks around this for other colors as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color

nabakin 8 minutes ago

> When it comes to information transfer and processing, light can do things that electricity can’t. Photons — particles of light — are far zippier than electrons at working their way through circuits.

Electrons themselves don't move at the speed of light, but communication via electrons does happen close to the speed of light.

A subtle but important distinction that's often confused.

mapt 2 hours ago

Is there a single person here interested in photonic computing that wants to explain to the class if there's any "there" there?

nine_k 2 hours ago

Immediately:

* You can pack many more different colors into fiber optic communication lines. Every color carries a few tens of GHz in modulation, but the carrier light is in hundreds of THz; there's a ton of bandwidth not used between readily available colors.

* You can likely do interesting molecular chemistry by precisely adjusting laser light to the energy levels of particular bonds / electrons.

* Maybe you can precisely target particular wavelengths / absorption bands for more efficient laser cutting and welding, if these adjustable lasers can be made high-power.

summa_tech 7 minutes ago

Fiber has fairly narrow windows in which it is as transparent as it needs to be to go long distance. We're already pretty good at filling these windows with conventional semiconductor lasers.

What this is actually interesting for is being able to access arbitrary atomic transitions, many of which are outside the range of conventional semiconductors (too short, usually - there's a big hole between green and red for semiconductors). That's why they talk about quantum stuff.

suzzer99 2 hours ago

* Concert lasers just got a lot cooler.

inetknght 2 minutes ago

db48x 2 hours ago

It’s like any other fundamental research: you don’t know how much it’s worth until people start using it to solve real problems. This is something that is literally impossible to guess ahead of time. The most abstract mathematical techniques could turn into a trillion–dollar industry (number theory begat RSA encryption which now underpins _everything_ we do).

But I will say that precise control of laser wavelength is critical to today’s communication technologies. I doubt their new techniques will be useless.

QQ00 35 minutes ago

Hopefully the billions money in AI will find some of its to turn this into real life applications. AI inference would love some more faster more efficient communication.

I mean, Photonic computing already got the attention of these big tech companies.

topspin 2 hours ago

There is there there...

The substance is they've created a way to fabricate a device that can make the optical frequencies they wish. That is useful: it means a designer isn't limited to frequencies that are economic to generate with existing techniques, which is a constraint that lasers currently struggle with: low cost, compact, efficient laser sources (the kind that fit on a chip, and are fabricated by cost effective processes,) only exist for a limited number of frequencies.

The story is typical tech journalism pabulum, but the underlying paper does discuss efficiency. It's about what you'd expect: 35 mW -> 6 mW @ 485 nm, for example.

An obvious use case is multimode fiber communication: perhaps this makes it possible to use more frequencies for greater bandwidth and/or make the devices cheaper/smaller/more efficient. But there are other, more exotic things one might do when some optical frequency that was previously uneconomic becomes feasible to use at scale.

criticalfault 2 hours ago

I wonder if this could also work for (e)uv

dado3212 2 hours ago

I think it's more relevant for quantum computing. The ions we choose for ion trap quantum computers are in part due to what wavelengths are excitable by modified telecom lasers, because they're the wavelengths that are easiest to produce and where the most research/stability/miniaturization has been focused. If the laser wavelength is configurable to this degree then it no longer becomes a constraint, and maybe you can choose single ions with different characteristics.

2ndorderthought 2 hours ago

Depends on the cost. We already have variable wavelength lasers. We have had them for years. They are currently expensive, large, and not the easiest things to control electronically.

I have an application in mind for this technology outside of photonic computing. Again, it depends entirely on price, tunability, bandwidth of the profile, etc. My understanding of the photocomputing field is limited but I never thought the major issues were wavelength related? Maybe someone can educate me.

If anyone wants to send me one of these I would be pumped.

brcmthrowaway 2 hours ago

There's a lot of people here with esoteric knowledge of lasers, because they're generally incredible devices (along with masers). Someone should be able to comment.

I wish we had a large laser manufacturing ability in the West. I would say 95% of lasers of all kinds are manufactured in China.

spaqin 24 minutes ago

That's most certainly good news (depending on the final cost) for ion trapping quantum computing - the wavelength of the laser they require to trap an ion depends on the molecule chosen, and most setups are expensive, finicky and difficult to calibrate, or sometimes messy if it's a dye laser.

packetlost 17 minutes ago

Neutral atom too. You need fairly clean light to pump atoms into Rydberg states

evo 21 minutes ago

I wonder if this is a nuclear proliferation risk--could it be used for AVLIS/SILEX?

himata4113 39 minutes ago

since the light range is so high, technically speaking as the technology improves does that mean we could end up sending petabytes a second over a single fiber optic core?

tbrownaw 9 minutes ago

Visible light is a bit less than a petahertz, so no.

jagged-chisel an hour ago

The "shrinking" circle: I did as asked and clicked the image to see the animation. I saw no shrinking. My eyes did fatigue and I saw the border between the red and green become a blurred gradient.

What should I have experienced?

deepsun 43 minutes ago

State for longer. It starts shrinking only after a minute.

deepsun 42 minutes ago

Would I finally be able to see bright brown?

nine_k 28 minutes ago

It's called orange. Much like bright gray is called white, and bright teal is called turquoise.

rafram 7 minutes ago

Light brown is called tan. Dark and light oranges exist too and they’re not exactly the same as brown.

jcims an hour ago

Can each device vary the color or is it fixed based on how it’s built? Seems the latter?

2ndorderthought an hour ago

I believe you are right.

aftbit 2 hours ago

Cool, can I get a "proper" yellow diode laser from this? What's the efficiency look like?

cheschire 2 hours ago

Yes but can it do any color a mantis shrimp would like?

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp

skoocda 13 minutes ago

This misses one of the best mantis shrimp facts.

One of its receptors only detects circularly polarized light

But the only thing we know of, in the entire natural world, that emits circularly polarized light... is the reflection off the shell of the mantis shrimp.

Tade0 an hour ago

The Mantis Shrimp most likely sees very much like us (or birds, snakes), it's just that its brain is too small to integrate signals from just three types of cones, so it evolved a whole rainbow of cones.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago

Huh. Anywhere you'd suggest I can read more about this?

__MatrixMan__ an hour ago

I'll take one in gamma please.

Retro_Dev an hour ago

A gamma wavelength handheld laser would be cool; "and on this petri dish, we see a dot of cells instantaneously develop cancer"

__MatrixMan__ 19 minutes ago

At high energies I think you could point two at a spot in space and get antimatter where the beams cross (also matter, and then an explosion... see the Breit-Wheeler process).

We have a hard enough time building shipping-container sized devices that reflect extreme ultraviolet though... so I think a handheld gamma ray laser is off the table for this century.

guzfip an hour ago

Very cool stuff. I regret wasting my life in software when I see other fields still doing interesting work.

analog8374 2 hours ago

can they do microwave?

if you do the exact right color you can make certain things melt very precisely.

Aboutplants an hour ago

An application that came to mind is tunneling (through rock and earth). You could absolutely tune the wavelength to whatever material your drilling through absorbs best, to help ease and speed. Would need a good amount of energy but I could see that utilized in some fashion in the next 10-20 years

BigTTYGothGF 2 hours ago

analog8374 an hour ago

thanks, I'm familiar. But it doesn't answer my question.

jiveturkey 2 hours ago

But can it produce magenta?

ivanjermakov an hour ago

Not every color has a corresponding wavelength, rather a combination of wavelengths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_1931_color_space

dnnddidiej 2 hours ago

Magenta is the Doom of colour lasers by the look of it.

staplung 2 hours ago

What if I like magenta? Or brown?

zamadatix 2 hours ago

Pedantry for pedantry, you're in luck as the title says they created 'any wavelength lasers' not 'any wavelength laser' so you can make any such combos you like rather than the fixed set now (if true) :p.

dullcrisp 2 hours ago

Can I interest you in indigo or violet? Or a nice orange?

dnnddidiej 2 hours ago

Genuine q: how close can you get to magenta with the rainbow?

nine_k 2 hours ago

compass_copium 2 hours ago