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That's just ... absurd.

The flaw itself is absurd but then just accepting it as "by design" makes it even worse.

This is, as a notion user with public pages, beyond stupid.

Some CMSs do this in their RSS feeds as well. Can't recall which ones, but seen it.

> P.S: Some folks here have speculated that this should be a 1 minute fix. Unfortunately that is not the case. :(

4 years.

Can you share the warning? I made a public page and would say it was not clear to me this was a consequence of doing that. The warning as I remember it (a month ago) makes it sound like the information on this page is going to be public -- not - oh yeah the email addresses of everyone who edited this page will also be leaked.

I will speculate that Notion has had more than one minute to fix it.

While you're here, why is Notion so slow on Firefox? I mean extremely slow.

Considering it was reported in 2022, and it is obviously an error, I don't think it is unfair for people here to have expected it to be fixed by now since it was first reported.

This flaw was reported four years ago. Forgive me if I don’t believe a word of what you’re saying.

I haven't used Notion the last couple of years either, but there was a multi-year period where someone at each of the companies I was at would champion it, convince someone high enough to transition the team to it, and it would slow the team down so much. There was a joke at one point amongst coworkers that it might not be bad subterfuge to get someone hired at a rival in order to introduce Notion there.

Anyways, I think Notion has a learning curve that is a little longer than one expects. I can believe that with some dedicated learning time I could be turned into a believer. But I also distinctly had the impression that it was one of those things where it saved a ton of time for a few narrow-visioned people (the people who championed it), but added meaningful time to everyone else's. Those people were largely project managers or operations folks, and transitively the leaders they reported to. It heavily threw the switch towards "legibility" over reality.

It's like when someone new to a messy project, creates a spreadsheet, and says, "Let not overthink this, everybody just fill in your project details in your row". If your work, which you are the expert on, doesn't fit nicely into the person's columns, it's not easy for you to fill out. Meanwhile, the person who created the spreadsheet, gets what looks like a neat and orderly answer to everything. All the messy things—which are or at least have in them the correct status of the thing—will be masked under a clean and simple, but rather incorrect, thing. That spreadsheet will also travel far specifically because it's neat and therefore portable. There aren't a bunch of "it depends" in it.

They’ve basically positioned themselves as a workplace app for years now. A fully integrated project management and documentation really is just asking for AI to be part of it

What do you mean “now”?

It never meant anything. Motion has always tried to be everything, do everything and work for absolutely everyone and that has always meant it was just a jumbled mess of pure waste of computing cycles. Notion has always been a disgrace of an app and a service—shoving AI into it is just the natural next step for a “whatever” company such as this.

> I was going to recommend it to someone as an example of hypertext

What does this mean?

Maybe I'm a computer nerd. But I know Unix and I'm so happy that I can avoid such software in my daily life.

Looks like we're gonna have to go full CIA mode and shift into maximum OPSEC if we want any semblance of privacy. Gotta compartmentalize everything...

For a personal knowledge base? I would stay far away from anything proprietary for personal notes. I love logseq though I'm increasingly worried it's abandonware

You could try https://hyperclast.com/ (my project). Here's the comparison vs Notion, Obsidian etc https://hyperclast.com/vs/

I self host https://www.getoutline.com/ instead, they might not have the latest AI features but it has everything I could ask for from a Notion alternative.

I switched from Obsidian to Joplin years ago. Its completely FOSS and can sync with your private Nextcloud instance.

Consider Trilium if the collaboration stuff people use Notion for isn't important. It's open source, uses SQLite, and does automatic daily and weekly backups.

https://triliumnotes.org/

Maybe the board and shareholders of big companies need to be held accountable financially instead of being able to hide behind legal constructs.

Companies will only care if they have a reason to. People need to start caring about their privacy and security and be willing to change product if they have to. We can blame companies and insist they start caring, but this makes no difference to them, people complain for a while and then they move on and the earnings remain unchanged.

I think we’ll start seeing consulting agencies advertise how many vulnerabilities that can resolve per million token, and engineering teams feeling pressure to merge this generated code.

We’ll also see more token heavy services like dependabot, sonar cube, etc that specialize in providing security related PR Reviews and codebase audits.

This is one of the spaces where a small team could build something that quickly pulls great ARR numbers.

People need to start voting in politicians who will meaningfully punish corporations who don't.

Nah. They care about profits only, the sooner the better, so everyone can cash out and move to their next “venture”

The problem is that they don't "need" to. There's no consequences for not caring, and no incentive to care.

We need laws and a competent government to force these companies to care by levying significant fines or jail time for executives depending on severity. Not fines like 0.00002 cents per exposed customers, existential fines like 1% of annual revinue for each exposed customer. If you fuck up bad enough, your company burns to the ground and your CEO goes to jail type consequences.

And on that day, Satan will be skating to work.

I’ve always liked this idea but I think it eventually ends back up with essentially our current system. Users have multiple devices so you quickly get to needing a sync service. Once that gets complex enough, then people will outsource to a third party and then we are back to a FB/Google/Apple sign in and data mgmt world.

Webwrapper apps should die a quick painful death and those involved in deciding that a given app should be a webwrapper should stub their toes on furniture corners every 30 minutes of their lives.

These apps are a disease and no one should be using services that offer them.

It loves to hog disk space for some reason. An hour after installing, service workers are using 7gb. I have very few files uploaded so I don’t know what it’s caching.

It's Electron. The lowest common denominator.

Well thats because it isn't really a macOS app. its just the web app.

I’m building Docmost, a self-hosted alternative to Notion and Confluence.

It’s open-source, easy to self-host and feature-packed.

GitHub: https://github.com/docmost/docmost.

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