Noctua releases official 3D CAD models for its cooling fans (noctua.at)
290 points by embedding-shape 3 days ago
srott 4 hours ago
There is Fan Show Down on yt where people are trying to beat the original Noctua fan design:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHLn2U7i45M_EXIsnqUyI...
zozbot234 an hour ago
I'm disappointed that this is on YT, shouldn't it be on OnlyFans?
bayindirh 6 minutes ago
There's an interim one at https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyFans/
stavros an hour ago
OnlyFans lost its purported audience years ago, when they made the decision to include human adult content in addition to fan-related content only. The adult content quickly took over and now you can barely find anything relating to fans on there.
Reddit is a much better place for that now, and if you aren't particularly precious about documentary-style fact reporting, you're much better off browsing r/fanfiction.
cheschire 38 minutes ago
DaSHacka 39 minutes ago
egeozcan 7 hours ago
> To protect our intellectual property, certain features – such as fan impeller geometries – have been slightly modified while remaining visually very close to the actual product.
Noob question: If someone wants to copy their design with no respect to their intellectual property, can't they just 3D scan?
Moto7451 10 minutes ago
Thermaltake already makes a clone:
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/noctua-nf-a12x25-vs-to...
Noctua seems fine so long as you’re not copying the color scheme and branding. Interestingly TT had a 140mm version before Noctua. Noctua seems happy being the premium option.
userbinator 6 hours ago
Unless they still have an unexpired patent on the design, it's completely legal to clone. Physical objects simply do not have the same type of copyright protection, and there is considerable precedent in making compatible components --- the most notable example being the automotive aftermarket.
taskforcegemini 3 hours ago
just make sure there aren't any rounded corners
jijijijij 3 hours ago
I believe the restriction on personal replication of patented designs is a US thing (only?). At least in Germany, you are legally allowed to make patented things for yourself or science to some capacity. The whole point of a patent is encouraging progress through disclosure of knowledge.
The US restriction is quite mad, if you think about it. Freedom my ass.
bandrami an hour ago
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bbor 3 hours ago
teaearlgraycold 2 hours ago
unixhero 3 hours ago
But can I clone my lover?
kelnos 5 hours ago
Unless they have patents on their fan impleller geomeries, the IP they're referring to is likely just trade secrets. Trade secrets do have legal protections in the US, but those protections are mainly about disclosing or stealing those secrets, not about physically inspecting something and deriving the trade secret that way.
Not sure about the tech aspect of 3D scanning or if that would be accurate enough; I don't have any experience there to draw on.
dgellow 19 minutes ago
You really don’t need to 3d scan, I’m not a cad expert and it took me just a few evenings to replicate pretty much the blade profile of my Noctua fans based on photos
fecal_henge 7 hours ago
I would think so, or by taking cross sections. Its hard to believe they have some miraculous geometry that needs guarding anyway. Maybe they are trying to dissuade people who might try to 3d print an impeller.
3d models for industrial fan manufacturers (Sanyo,NMB) are widely available.
quanto 7 hours ago
There could be geometrically tiny optimizations that lead to an outsized impact in noise and flow by turbulence reduction. While optimizing an impeller with computational FSI (fluid structure interaction) is not as hard as before, it still is not trivial. And it's these (perhaps small) optimizations that justify Noctua being 5x more expensive than generic black fan.
fyrn_ 6 hours ago
numpad0 2 hours ago
I think they are trying to stop random small shops from making cosmetic copies that compete with their products.
Crude copies with convincing appearance would tarnish their brand. Visibly crude copies stop performance data of such copies from being mistaken as representative of actual products.
zbrozek 7 hours ago
Yes, though the fidelity offered by faithful CAD would be both easier to interpret correctly and might even hint at the CAD feature tree.
Kudos to them for releasing models useful for integration.
egeozcan 7 hours ago
Yes, by no means did I comment to take away from the great service they are doing to the builders. I'm a Noctua fan!
I was just curious.
dcminter 6 hours ago
ForOldHack 4 hours ago
From what I remember from my NASA friend, a few companies, hired a few fluid flow engineers, during the defense bust, and designed fan blades that remarkably increased air flow. ( think profiles like air plane wing ). Something happened and in a few years, there were good fans, and there were great fans.
I happen to own a pair of Noctura fans, and wow! They are great, so I would assume that some heavy lifting was done in fluid flow.
nkrisc 3 hours ago
If your goal is to reproduce it you could just make a cast of the fan and then use that to make a mold.
It’d be a bit tricky since you wouldn’t really have a convenient spot for a planar parting line, but should be possible.
Koffiepoeder 2 hours ago
Also this would not account for cooling shrinkage, a very annoying problem when making high quality parts to spec.
whazor 6 hours ago
Wouldn't there be too much error when you both 3D scan and 3D print it?
dgellow 18 minutes ago
The 3d scan is generally used as a base for your cad model, you don’t print it it directly, you instead replicate the shapes in your cad software, that gives you pretty much infinite precision thanks to NURBS
PunchyHamster 2 hours ago
you'd probably have to do a bit of fixing on a model to get close
ForOldHack 4 hours ago
My guess is that both 3D printed fans and production fans get balanced, but the production fans have an extra bit of design, that makes the profile sail at both a wider speed range, and peaks at a higher speed.
kernalix7 6 hours ago
Would have saved me time on a 3D printer I designed a while back. I integrated Noctua fans and ended up measuring mounting dimensions by hand. Having the official CAD models would have made fan integration a lot cleaner.
userbinator 6 hours ago
Aren't their dimensions standard? Many people replace other fans with Noctua's, after all.
kernalix7 6 hours ago
The fan body itself follows standard 120/140mm dimensions, but I needed the smaller details for my design, the rubber dampers, anti-vibration corners, cable routing clips. Those don't show up cleanly in the datasheet, so I ended up using a caliper. That's the part the official CAD would have helped most with.
Arch-TK an hour ago
ikornaselur 4 hours ago
I was just thinking the same! Spent few hours a month ago measuring 120mm noctua fans to build a custom mounting bracket for a rack cooling module I was making.
Never finished it because I kept having to tweak and remeasure, but now I can definitely go back and finish it!
dgellow 22 minutes ago
That’s so neat! I will be able to compare to my own CAD models from when I 3d printed my PC :D
fy20 5 hours ago
How much more is the BOM for a silent fan like in Noctua? I recently bought a controller for my well water pump, and it has two 80mm fans for cooling. Sounds like an aircraft when taking off and doesn't seem to move much air. I'm planning to replace them with Noctua fans.
throwaway85825 32 minutes ago
You're not going to find a significantly quieter 80mm fan. It needs to be bigger so the blade passing frequency is in a less noticeable range.
Mashimo 4 hours ago
Probably best to look up the local prices yourself? We don't know where you live.
There are fans that are cheaper that come close to noctua, but noctua are one of the best fans you can buy.
KeplerBoy 3 hours ago
Well the cheapest crap fans are almost free, Noctua fans are certainly not free. So the added cost is the entire price of a Noctua fan.
embedding-shape 3 days ago
Tweet with image: https://x.com/Noctua_at/status/2048688184314273947
Example download: https://www.noctua.at/en/support/downloads?product=nf-a12x25...
jasiek 6 hours ago
Mikrotik does this for some of their parts as well
kernalix7 5 hours ago
Good to know, didn't realize Mikrotik did this too. Useful for homelab planning where rack space and airflow actually matter.
swiftcoder 4 hours ago
The Fan Showdown YouTube guy is going to have a field day
russelg 2 hours ago
Especially because they previously denied his request for the files (even when they've sponsored him), stating the same IP issue.
emsign 42 minutes ago
Meanwhile 3D printing is being banned in US states supposedly to prevent people from creating gun parts, because just buying a gun in the US isn't doable for a criminal. But in reality it's because ownership of production and machines is about to get banned for the lower classes.
throwaway85825 31 minutes ago
Not just 3d printing, the proposed law applies to cnc too.
sylware 2 hours ago
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caldis_chen 3 hours ago
only fans?
pylotlight 3 hours ago
repost??