Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track (bbc.com)

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emptybits 6 hours ago

If you like Kraftwerk and you're not aware of this book, I recommend it:

"Kraftwerk: Future Music from Germany", by Uwe Schütte. It's packed with details of albums, songs, tours, equipment, and people.

The anti-nuclear message in "Radio-Activity" certainly came later and was repeatedly updated, right into the Fukushima era [2011], but this was not the original sentiment [1976]. From the book:

"At the time, Billboard magazine featured the most-played singles by the large network of radio stations under the heading 'Radio Action'. The band seemed to have misread or misremembered this as 'Radio-Activity'. 'Suddenly,' remembers Wolfgang Flür, 'there was a theme in the air, the activity of radio stations, and the title of 'Radioactivity is in the Air for You and Me' was born. All we needed was the music to go with it. ... The ambiguity of the theme didn't come until later.' Radio-Activity was intended to celebrate radio broadcasting as a convenient, easy and democratic means to listen to music and news."

TedDoesntTalk 6 hours ago

Great story. Had no idea. Still love the name Uwe. One of those German names that doesn’t have an English equivalent unlike, say, Pieter.

Bairfhionn 4 hours ago

Pieter is Dutch. German version of it is Peter.

KKOSer 4 hours ago

I was told once Hugh is the nearest equivalent to Uwe, but i can't tell if thats correct.

rob74 2 minutes ago

nkrisc 20 minutes ago

youngtaff 2 hours ago

Currently reading it and I’d agree!

ainch 11 hours ago

I love Kraftwerk, but contributing to anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany hasn't been a major success. If only more European countries had followed the French example and developed substantial nuclear fleets.

boshomi 3 hours ago

Nuclear power has been killed off by economic forces; there’s no turning back. Solar and wind power generate cheap electricity in abundance, and midday electricity prices in Europe regularly dip into negative territory (as low as minus €500 (sic!) on May 1!).

Modern grids do not require high-risk investments in ultra-inert baseload power that ultimately fails to find a market; instead, they require low-risk investments in highly flexible power sources, such as batteries or pumped-storage facilities and transmission upgrades, that can capture surplus electricity at low cost (sometimes negativ) and sell it hours later at favorable prices.

The 2036 electricity futures price for Germany is €70/MWh. The break-even point for France’s EDF for old nuclear power plants that had long since been written off financially was at roughly the same level in 2020. Due to rising labor costs, their break-even point is now significantly higher. There were solid economic reasons why EDF was recently nationalized 100%. New nuclear power plant construction in France is a foreseeable economic disaster. Private investors would have fled long ago.

noosphr 31 minutes ago

Nuclear power died 20 years ago for 40 years now.

Meanwhile Chinas 2060 plan for a carbon zero grid with 25% nuclear and 100% over provisioning is right on track.

Neil44 2 hours ago

Solar and wind are still heavily subsidized are they not? If they're so economically amazing why are they subsidized?

AdamN 2 hours ago

RugnirViking 2 hours ago

Gud 2 hours ago

Nuclear power has been amazing for my native country Sweden and I do not believe for a nanosecond that there were “economic forces” that shut down many of our operational nuclear plants.

It was political lunacy, in Sweden and Germany and many other countries.

pjc50 2 hours ago

01100011 9 hours ago

Like most backward looking judgements these days, such things require understanding the culture and zeitgeist of the mid 70s.

I'm pro-nuclear as well, but understand that for many decades the "smart" thing to do was to oppose it. I wouldn't expect a musical artist to have a more nuanced opinion than most of their contemporaries.

jcul 4 hours ago

I think Chernobyl was a big factor in European sentiment towards nuclear power too, in the 80s / 90s.

I grew up in the 90s and didn't even fully understand what it was, but I remember the fear around it. I remember people in Ireland worrying about Sellafield nuclear power plant in the UK and talking about things like wind direction if there was an incident. And the government posting out iodine tablets to homes.

cluckindan 6 hours ago

More like the robot thing to do.

Anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany was entirely manufactured; it was the product of Gerhard Schröder and similar robots who enriched themselves on Russian oil and gas.

Ironically, it is also where the so-called Green Party began.

Qdulf 4 hours ago

lukan 4 hours ago

Mashimo 3 hours ago

pjmlp 3 hours ago

JuniperMesos 5 hours ago

I quite enjoy the 1979 Dan Fogelberg song Face the Fire from a purely musical perspective, despite it being an anti-nuclear-power anthem written in the wake of three mile island. There's no reason to expect that Kraftwork's poltical ideas are good ones or were good ones at the time, even if it resulted in some good music.

account42 3 hours ago

No it was never the smart thing, always an uninformed emotional reaction based on fear.

atoav 3 hours ago

pjmlp 3 hours ago

I rather not have another Fukushima or Chernobyl in Europe.

colechristensen 9 hours ago

It was largely our own governments wanting to scare us of nukes so we'd be scared of the Soviets, like in America with the schoolchildren doing duck and cover drills.

Having enemies the population is afraid of is good for politicians and they'll take any enemies they can find, and they'll do so indiscriminately regardless of the real nuance of the issues.

Immigrants, abortion, this religion or that, rock music, jazz music, alcohol, marijuana, global warming, windmills, books... just whatever as hard as they can regardless of if it's reasonable or not.

01100011 7 hours ago

TurdF3rguson 7 hours ago

kingleopold 10 hours ago

coal kills more people, this is a fact. so with blocking nuclear lead to coal, so they indirectly supportered killing thousands, incredible stats really. who said art can't be bad for the public?

kev009 9 hours ago

A hidden danger of coal is ironically the radioactivity of its waste, which gets put into concrete products and contribute to indoor air quality issues.

The paranoia around nuclear power is tied to generational fear mongering of governments during the Cold War. The oddest part is why not use safer reactor designs; water reactors make sense for the US Navy and not on land.

9dev 4 hours ago

mejutoco 5 hours ago

wolfi1 3 hours ago

nuclear is only cheap, if taxpayers pay for it, if all costs would be considered, nuclear is not cheap

aa-jv 3 hours ago

Kraftwerk killed nuclear power (Radio-Activity) and promoted petroleum consumption (Autobahn), like the true factory-idol industrialists they are ...

pjmlp 3 hours ago

I just saw the Fukushima documentary over the weekend, no thanks.

lionkor 2 hours ago

As opposed to brown coal? Because that's what we got instead, and it's much more deadly, much more radioactive, and the toxic waste it produces is not properly controlled like for nuclear.

Of course pollution looks bad when you have to barrel it, instead of just shitting it out into the environment (atmosphere, etc) and saying "we'll stop doing this in a couple decades, don't worry".

I understand that brown coal isn't what people had in mind when they opposed nuclear; they would rather have wind power, solar power, maybe magical fairy dust, but they didn't consider that, practically, we will stick with brown coal.

pjmlp 2 hours ago

RobotToaster 3 hours ago

the_mitsuhiko an hour ago

pjmlp 3 hours ago

msla 10 hours ago

Being against nuclear only kept the world on coal longer.

senectus1 10 hours ago

only if renewable resources are not considered an option.

lionkor 2 hours ago

rectang 10 hours ago

And perhaps meaningfully contributed to a reduction in the quantity of radioactive waste products requiring custodianship on a timescale that humans can barely conceive of let alone commit to or execute responsibly.

acidburnNSA 9 hours ago

noosphr 28 minutes ago

mgfist 10 hours ago

soperj 4 hours ago

Tepix 6 hours ago

I, for one, am glad we don‘t have yet another 2600 square kilometers exclusion zone in densely populated Germany, like the one around Chernobyl.

Rygian 5 hours ago

I'm glad we don't have exclusion zones like that one in France either.

pepa65 10 hours ago

What do you mean by "nuclear fleets"??

acidburnNSA 9 hours ago

This is often used within the industry to mean many dozens of commercial nuclear power plants.

LeoPanthera 10 hours ago

The original version is quite different from the version performed today. The original lyrics refer to the pun of "radioactivity" versus "radio activity", meaning, activity on the radio.

The new live version refers almost exclusively to the former meaning, and adds "stop" to turn it into a protest song.

I've seen Kraftwerk live twice, at London's Albert Hall and Berkeley's Greek Theater, both times absolutely amazing. Highly recommended.

I've often thought they would be the ideal band to perform inside the "Sphere" in Las Vegas.

stinos 25 minutes ago

both times absolutely amazing. Highly recommended.

Saw them last year in Brussels. And while I agree with this and would go again and would recommend it to others, the side note for me is: I've listened to a lot of electronic music old and new and for my personal taste almost everything Kraftwerk makes is on the mediocre side. I'd never play it at home to listen to. But to see them in concert with pretty nice visuals and at the same time realizing they basically pioneered all of this 50 years ago does remain sort of mindblowing.

FabHK 4 hours ago

Just saw Kraftwerk live exactly a week ago, 2026-05-06, in Hong Kong on their Asia tour. They played Radioactivität, among their other hits. Recommended indeed. There might not be another tour, Ralf Hütter is 79!

Over the next month, they will play in Ireland and UK, then Eastern Europe. https://kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html

WatchDog 11 hours ago

If the suggested political impact of this music is to be believed, the music might be one of the biggest environmental disasters of all time.

Germany has been pretty widely criticized for decommissioning it's nuclear power program, only to replace it with Russian oil.

lovemenot 11 hours ago

>> only to replace it with Russian oil

with Russian gas.

MomsAVoxell 10 hours ago

s/Russian/American/

Either way, Germany has perfected the efficient foot bullet, at least.

I could imagine Kraftwerk devising a stonkin’ “Fußkugel” track, actually ..

lxgr 3 hours ago

lionkor 2 hours ago

Lots of brown coal, which famously emits more radioactivity than any nuclear power plant ever did. The anti nuclear movement is a fucking joke, and the people I know personally here in Germany who oppose(d) nuclear still think the danger is an atomic bomb level explosion, or generational crippling mutations, or losing their house.

Barrin92 10 hours ago

that would be an odd criticism because we never generated any meaningful amount of electricity from oil (and started importing Russian fossil resources 30 years before we turned nuclear power plants off). The chief source for energy in Germany was coal. Gas is primarily an industry and heating input rather than a source of power generation, gas plants have only become more popular in recent years.

What replaced all other fossil fuel sources are renewables, which at 50% are now by far the single largest source of energy.

nntwozz 11 hours ago

Ruckzuck is way more interesting and ahead of its time (1970).

https://youtu.be/yUFc5QoMG1E

P.S

Also check out Ashra - Deep Distance (1976).

https://youtu.be/BJZ9PVvu9OA

erickhill 7 hours ago

Saw them last year in Seattle. One of those bands I never thought I'd get the chance to see (I'm 54), but thanks to them they are still touring and making great music.

It was an amazing show, and incredible night.

RobotToaster 3 hours ago

Fun fact, these "radicals" were behind one of the longest running copyright lawsuits in European history, one that started in 1997 and ended this year https://ra.co/news/85004

alanwreath 11 hours ago

Only related in awesomeness but whenever I see VLC’s icon I think of Kraftwerk.

Kraftwerk sounds novel even today, I can’t imagine how it must have sounded 50 years ago.

jerkstate 9 hours ago

It’s a shame they were so anti-nuclear. Best song on that album was Ohm Sweet Ohm.

the_arun 11 hours ago

IMHO Autobahn is still their best.

egorfine 2 hours ago

I have been extremely lucky to get an invitation to their concert in Kiev, Ukraine, many years ago. Three of the original members still alive and kicking. It was incredibly awesome.

The concert itself was a gift from Victor Pinchuk, one of the Ukrainian oligarchs and renowned patron, to the city. Previously he also sponsored a full-blown Elton John concert on the main city square which I also attended.

cmrx64 11 hours ago

The Electronic Harpsichord, same year. must have been an interesting time.

TurdF3rguson 7 hours ago

Totally Rad.

vanderZwan 5 hours ago

One of the things whose non-existence I'm mildly surprised by: a mash-up between Kraftwerk's Radioactivity and Imagine Dragons Radioactive. Sure, they're extremely different songs melody-wise but that never stopped people from successfully mashing up songs before, and the underlying beat is almost the same but reversed, which is kinda interesting[0][1].

Also, has anyone ever compared the cultural context and zeitgeist of both songs? Probably would be a fun high school assignment, haha. Kraftwerk's song came out in the same decade that the Club of Rome published its Limits To Growth report[2], so when fears about humanity's future really started to become A Thing that was impossible to ignore. Later versions of the song turning it into a protest song encapsulate Cold War fears for a nuclear apocalypse of the time (presumably, I wasn't really around yet back then).

The main audience for the Imagine Dragons song was a generation fully born after the fall of the Berlin Wall. One that grew up playing the Fall Out games. It also came out in 2012, right after the 2008 crisis kick-started the "oh the previous generation will leave us with nothing huh?" Doomer mentality among millennials and Gen Z kids. Remember the media going nuts over the "Ok, Boomer" expression for a while? (which still feels like the media intentionally dividing a community to stop it from actually fixing things me, tbh, but let's not get too side-tracked)

In that context, when put side by side the ID song almost feels like a Doomer generation follow-up and implicit critique of how nothing seems to have actually be done about to prevent the impending apocalypse that the Kraftwerk song's generation was supposedly so worried about, turned into a fantasy about living in that post-apocalyptic planet.

It's "vibe" is weirdly hopeful too, especially compared to the Kraftwerk song as well. Instead of fearing an apocalypse, it's set after one and embraces living within it.

At least, that's how the two songs come across to me, which probably says more about me than anything else. Apparently Dan Reynolds, main singer on ID and one of writers of the song, has said that in retrospect after almost a decade, he had realized that it was actually about him "not giving up hope after losing faith in Mormonism."[3]. Which makes sense as a personal experience of going through feeling doomed and figuring out how to survive and embrace living on in a "post-apocalyptic" world on a personal, social level.

I think that's what annoys me about the Kraftwerk song's status as a protest song, and a lot of other music from the same era: it doesn't feel like it's insisting on a better future. It's passive late 70s, early 80s pessimism.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3viBe2Q0P8

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXeJZJUFHE

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_%28Imagine_Dragons...

xgulfie 11 hours ago

saving you a click: it's Radioactivity

nephihaha 3 hours ago

There is a bit more in the article than that.