Trump Mobile exposed customers' personal data (techcrunch.com)
205 points by rippeltippel 4 hours ago
mkw5053 3 hours ago
I would not have believed you if you had told me they had the engineering and operations talent to prevent personal data leaks, among many other things.
Finnucane 3 hours ago
I would not have believed that they had 'engineering' or 'operations'.
Uncle_Brumpus 2 hours ago
"Hello, Aliexpress seller? Can you paint them gold?"
Is about how I expect it all went.
dmbche 3 hours ago
Has anyone yet seen one of those phones? Was it a honeypot all along? (A la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trojan_Shield)
Edit0: they seem to exist and they have a headphone jack? Incredible.
craftkiller an hour ago
> they have a headphone jack
And an American flag with the incorrect number of stripes. I wonder which 2 colonies they decided weren't worth including on their phone.
platevoltage 26 minutes ago
I'm going to guess New York and Massachusetts.
Zigurd 15 minutes ago
adam12 39 minutes ago
Why all the hate for headphone jacks?
neogodless 3 hours ago
In theory, maybe? This is behind a paywall...
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/gadgets/trump-mobile-phone-revi...
Title: Trump Mobile T1 phone test: device no longer ‘Made in the USA.’
Heading: We tested the Trump Mobile phone. It was 9 months late and no longer ‘Made in the USA.’
And then there's https://www.cnet.com/pictures/the-t1-trump-phone-is-the-same... (linked in the sibling comment at The Verge)
"Trump Phones Are Finally Here—And People Aren’t Happy"
tzs 2 hours ago
From the CNET article:
> There is a headphone jack, but it's on the top of the phone.
They say that like it is a bad thing. I've always preferred the headset jack on the top because if I'm using the device while sitting and the jack is on the bottom it interferes with resting my phone holding hand the table if I'm at my desk or on my chest or leg if I'm the couch.
The main argument I've heard for jack on the bottom is that most people normally put their phone in their pocket with the top down, so if the jack is on top you have to flip it.
Google is telling me that jack on top was the norm in the early days of smartphones but gradually changed as the pocket argument won out.
Of course this wouldn't matter at all if more phones rotated the screens so that the display was upright even if the phone is upside down. Then everyone could have the headphone jack where they want.
malfist an hour ago
dmbche an hour ago
FireBeyond 22 minutes ago
They went instead with "Assembled in the USA" printed on the box, which means that the phone was put in its box in Florida.
"Official" MAGA hats now say "Made in PRC" as if their wearers are too stupid to realize that means People's Republic of China, after the backlash against "Made in China". It's not a bad bet, actually: a media outlet back in the day polled a bunch of Republican voters and asked "If the government were to introduce, instead of Obamacare, some form of Affordable Care Act, would you be opposed?"
(And the number one Google query on the last election day? "Did Biden drop out?")
ipython 3 hours ago
I was going to say that I saw some unwrapping videos online, but then I saw... https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/936018/trump-mobile-t1-phon....
Personally, I still use my BidenPhone, which was an upgrade from my 2009-era ObamaPhone brick. /s
zikduruqe 37 minutes ago
The real joke is the "Obama Phone" meme from back in the day, is from the Lifeline project that was started by Reagan.
It's funny to see how all the history has been scrubbed from the Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lifeline_(FCC_pro...
nathanmills 2 hours ago
Was the /s needed?
kibwen 2 hours ago
OgsyedIE an hour ago
Given the facts of who it is that's impacted, isn't this the first good thing the administration has done?
coloneltcb 3 hours ago
this is especially problematic because now hackers have a comprehensive list of the most gullible people on the planet
drfloyd51 10 minutes ago
I wouldn’t call this a problem.
This is the dildo of consequences.
helterskelter 2 hours ago
Every problem, looked at from the right perspective, is actually a solution.
motbus3 2 hours ago
My grandpa is almost 80 years old. He blatantly complains about stuff he doesn't understand but because he was once a big shot he think he does. He takes decisions almost as random as a 20 side dice but the numbers are just options and have no correlation among each other. Eventually he does something that seems to make sense, but if you live enough time with him you'll see that's by chance.
kookster310 3 hours ago
"Walker said Trump Mobile is evaluating whether it needs to notify customers of the exposure of their personal data."
It was confirmed home/payment addresses were leaked, how is that not worthy of notification?
Clent 3 hours ago
There are regulatory rules on when disclosure must occur. They're saying they're not going to bother if it's not required.
lapetitejort 3 hours ago
Even if they are required, who will hold them accountable? The FCC?
866-RON-0-FEZ 3 hours ago
There was a time when telcos would print this information in a big book and deliver it to your porch for free.
giancarlostoro 3 hours ago
Hell, in some states you can find these details rather quickly since there's so much that is considered public record.
gowld an hour ago
relevant username.
Not quite true, though, because that book charged money in exchange for privacy.
delecti 3 hours ago
Because who's going to make them?
plagiarist an hour ago
It's worthy if they think they'd get good click through rate on "privacy protection service" scam links in the emails.
cdrnsf 34 minutes ago
This isn’t surprising. The entire enterprise was a grift to take advantage of gullible adherents to the name.
866-RON-0-FEZ 3 hours ago
They must have hired the same developers as every other mobile operator.
morkalork 3 hours ago
Or the same devs as GiveSendGo and every other right-wing gifting platform
Jeremy1026 3 hours ago
Gifting, or grifting?
morkalork 44 minutes ago
matneyx an hour ago
By the headline, I was half expecting "Trump Mobile was found selling customers' personal data"
amazingamazing 3 hours ago
Right up there with the rest or telco.
dataflow 3 hours ago
> The company said there was no breach of Trump Mobile’s network, systems, or infrastructure.
Wait... what?
"I didn't lose your money because somebody broke into my house -- I only lost it because I left it sitting on the sidewalk. My house is actually fine, don't worry!"
thefreeman 3 hours ago
Well trump mobile almost definitely doesn't have a network, systems, or infrastructure to begin with. So I guess they are technically correct.
ourmandave 3 hours ago
The spokesperson said that the exposure was linked to a third-party platform provider that supports “certain Trump Mobile operations.” Walker did not name the provider.
Assuming somebody left a database open or password exposed.
thefreeman 3 hours ago
My money is on unauthed mongodb or public s3 bucket
tencentshill 2 hours ago
Findecanor 2 hours ago
I'm surprised that the idea for the Trump Phone was even conceived. I had thought that the drug king-pin Pablo Escobar pretty much owned the market for gold smartphones, and thus tainted it for anyone else.
cess11 35 minutes ago
What is the US president, if not the king-pin:est of drug kin-pins?
https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Bragg-Cartel-Trafficking-Special...
sizzzzlerz 2 hours ago
Oh, no! What an unexpected tragedy. In other news...
twobitshifter 2 hours ago
Coffeezilla bought one of these thinking they’d never be delivered about a week before they announced they would be shipping soon. He wanted to do an exposé on the delays and thought Trump would never release the phone He will now end up with a crappy phone and his personal info exposed
gowld an hour ago
They haven't shipped yet. Only 2 media/reviewer mockup phones have been seen in public.
46493168 3 hours ago
The picture in the article features Trump holding an iPhone.
ethagnawl an hour ago
He doesn't use any of this crap. He also wouldn't go within 100 feet of the vast majority of his supporters if he wasn't working an angle.
plagiarist 2 hours ago
The only surprise would be that it is not deliberate. Previously, the Trump White House deliberately exposed citizens' personal data. That's what customers should expect.
etchalon 3 hours ago
I can think of no product with the Trump name that hasn't proven to be a catastrophic disappointment or scam.
SomeHacker44 2 hours ago
The only thing with trump I like is a hand of bridge.
klaff 2 hours ago
we started using the term obama for that just because we hate saying that other word
shoxidizer 2 hours ago
The 1989 board game is supposedly an acceptable variation on Monopoly. I guess it's sales were a disappointment for the publisher, but not catastrophic.
starkeeper 3 hours ago
Hey it's no biggie they are exempt from all rules, norms, and principals. Their customers love it even more when rules are broken so this is more like a bonus for them.
blowscum 3 hours ago
> Their customers love it even more when rules are broken so this is more like a bonus for them.
You joke, but this is actually a pattern I see a lot. Is there a term for this sort of brain dead contrarianism? Ive noticed it for years, mostly among GenX where they will zealously defend any idea/action they heard thats against mainstream narrative.
It’s like a “stick it to the man teenager” stereotype but these people are fucking 50+ years old now.
kube-system an hour ago
It is primarily this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism
Mixed more generally with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism
Someone who is anti-intellectual doesn't believe that their theory of the world being flat (or whatever) is actually a rigorous idea. Being "right" isn't even part of the thought process. They have an issue with science and the intellectual process itself and see those who practice it to be an outsider to their worldview.
This is why so many people fail to convince flat-earthers that the world is round. Because they don't really give a shit about what shape the earth is, they just have contempt for the intellectualism that says it is.
I suspect many of these people are insecure about their own lack of knowledge, and so by rejecting a mainstream narrative of science they can feel in-control of their own sense of intellect.
giwook 2 hours ago
I think this is an unfortunate consequence of the state of politics in the US (and in many other countries tbh).
Collectively we should really be getting angry with wealth inequality but those with wealth stir up any number of other issues (e.g. race, religion, gender, etc) in order to divert attention from them continuing to get richer at our collective expense.
sublinear 2 hours ago
bigyabai 2 hours ago
notrealyme123 2 hours ago
Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity hits the nail on the head here.
He argued that in WW2, the people who were not able to question what they were doing were enabling a lot of the cruelty [0].
[0] https://bigthink.com/thinking/bonhoeffers-theory-stupidity-e...
Barrin92 3 hours ago
I think that's always been a feature of contrarianism itself. It's so much more difficult to be contrarian and correct than simply contrarian that it applies most of the time, especially if someone uses that label explicitly.
sublinear 2 hours ago
"Contrarianism" can't be the only qualifying term unless you mean to lump in the majority of HN commenters.
malfist an hour ago
ramesh31 2 hours ago
Boomers get all the hate but GenX really is the absolute worst. They took the me-me-me of Boomers without the civic minded temperance of their G.I./Silent grandparents. Life goals of that generation include climbing mount everest, writing a novel, really anything that would make you sound "cool" at a cocktail party, but they never realized that nobody cares unless you've made the world a better place for others.
FatherOfCurses 21 minutes ago
kstrauser an hour ago
Pxtl an hour ago
khazhoux 29 minutes ago
reaperducer 2 hours ago
cess11 40 minutes ago
This has nothing to do with contrarianism, but all to do with the foundations of right-wing and fascist psychology, and more precisely, hierarchy.
Things like this allow you to prove for one that your leader is above you, and that you are loyal, unlike some other people who hence are beneath you.
This is why evangelicals can stomach Trump, he gives them an opportunity to have someone above them and for them to struggle with loyalty. It is more important to them than whether he has pressured someone to have an abortion or somesuch that does not fit the ethics they promote.
It is also why so many on the right and in fascist movements endure suffering caused by their leaders and don't hold them accountable to their promises. The ongoing wars of aggression that the US is partaking in is splitting the MAGA movement into the more conservative wing that isn't as uncompromising with their lust for hierarchy as the fully neo-fascist wing, who are going to try and weather pretty much any absurdities, any suffering they are exposed to.
hypeatei 2 hours ago
> Is there a term for this sort of brain dead contrarianism?
Reactionary[0]? Trump and the MAGA movement embody this desire to return to the "golden age" which is an idealized period in the 1950s where you had a factory job, a house, a family, and a simple life. Of course, "idealized" is the keyword there because it ignores the state of civil rights, medicine, workplace & car safety, etc. at that point in time.
Anyway, I think that's the term you're looking for. Contrarians are annoying, reactionaries are more akin to cult followers.
plagiarist an hour ago
kibwen 2 hours ago
When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the PII.
lanewinfield an hour ago
comment of the year award