Netherlands Seizes 800 Servers, Arrests 2 for Aiding Cyberattacks (krebsonsecurity.com)

165 points by jruohonen 4 hours ago

pocksuppet 39 minutes ago

We should note these are not even slightly legitimate hosting companies, lest anyone worry too much about their non-KYC offshore servers. These aren't hosting companies that ask little, they are just directly front companies for Russian intelligence, owned by members of Russian intelligence, they don't do anything else, they don't provide hosting service to regular people even if you want it.

Unlike in Germany where I lost several social media accounts because my email service provider (pissmail) went to jail because someone signed up for his service and sent spam.

l23k4 6 minutes ago

This is a straight up lie, you could just rent hosting from this company as a "regular person".

The article literally has photos of their english-language customer-facing communications.

nalekberov 21 minutes ago

Any source to back up your claims? Otherwise it seemed pretty much a conspiracy theory to me.

consp 11 minutes ago

The company inherited all their customers and equipment from a sanctioned company (according to the Dutch news report). Should be enough for most people.

efitz 2 hours ago

I’ve been on the defender side of security my whole career.

I know in some markets crime pays more than legitimate work, but it never ceases to amaze me how much thought, effort, planning, and engineering goes into providing infrastructure IT services for cybercriminals. The people involved definitely have the skills to be profitable at legitimate work; it just puzzles me that they choose to support criminals.

Aurornis 2 hours ago

I watched the downfall and eventual jailing of someone who had a great job, career, and family after he started getting involved in cybercrime.

As far as I can make sense of it, he enjoyed the thrill of feeling superior to others: Evading the law, exploiting people who viewed as stupid, and enriching himself in the process.

He got caught through a mistake that was really dumb in retrospect. I think he believed his intellectual superiority combined with the stupidity of others so much that eventually he couldn’t imagine anyone catching him.

kspacewalk2 an hour ago

>As far as I can make sense of it, he enjoyed the thrill of feeling superior to others: Evading the law, exploiting people who viewed as stupid, and enriching himself in the process.

I sadly see this pattern of thinking far more often than I want to in my fellow eastern Europeans.

kirubakaran an hour ago

cm2012 13 minutes ago

Sounds like Breaking Bad

KellyCriterion 16 minutes ago

sounds like Markus Braun & Jan Marsalek / Wirecard, the fraudsters :-D

fancythat 11 minutes ago

Because they cannot be profitable. Job market is not the same on both ends. If you are east European and you try to get a job in an international corporation, the in all cases offer salaries adjusted for regional averages, unless you are willing to reallocate. Only few startups and FAANG like companies, often compensation in line what is received in the western world.

And there is also a thrill of doing it, which other guys already mentioned.

davidwritesbugs 27 minutes ago

In a previous life I've employed contractors and software engineers to run a criminal website. Motivations for my guys were that it was well paid work that was technically challenging in order to evade enforcement agencies, and was 'fun' in that respect; they were "sticking it to than man (my service was regarded as moral by all my users & others); and there wasn't so much work about that they could pick and choose; lastly, I was a good employer because I had to be!!

parliament32 an hour ago

Imagine working for an organization where 1) cybersecurity is actually the #1 priority, ahead of "shareholder value" and all the other gobblygook, 2) you get to design systems where you actually have to assume that every other entity is malicious (not the usual carve-outs like "oh yeah we do zero trust.. but our entire management plane is Azure-managed it's unavoidable"), 3) your budget is effectively unlimited, and 4) you get paid several factors more than you would in private industry.

r_lee 2 hours ago

> The people involved definitely have the skills to be profitable at legitimate work; it just puzzles me that they choose to support criminals.

I don't think it's that easy to go legit. having a tech job nowadays is already a luxury

thewebguyd 2 hours ago

It's not easy to go legit, especially in today's job market, depending on where you live in the world also.

The US is unique with its high salaries for tech work (on the lower end of those of high salaries is pure ops work like this though). If you're in a country where the average sysadmin salary is substantially lower (to pick on Eastern Europe for a minute, you're looking at the equivalent of ~$30-35k USD/year), it's not hard to see why its tempting to go the cybercrime route.

r_lee 43 minutes ago

why is this downvoted?

KellyCriterion 14 minutes ago

SoftTalker an hour ago

Some people are just born into it. Mafia families, etc. There were some very smart people in the American mob, running scams that were immensely profitable. Eventually they get caught though, and with the ease and pervasivness of electronic surveillance today, it's pretty much impossible to do it anymre at least if you're anywhere where the authorities care about it (edit to add: and aren't in on it).

amelius 2 hours ago

Cybersecurity is always last on the budget list. It is not easy to make money working in cybersecurity.

The only upside here is that criminals will (through legislation) eventually force companies to invest more.

dist-epoch an hour ago

You fail to take into account the ideological angle.

Some people are ready to die for their beliefs. Others just to run businesses supporting their causes.

3 of the 4 persons named have russian links (a large number of Moldovan citizens are ethnic russians).

spwa4 an hour ago

> Some people are ready to die for their beliefs.

Really? Because while I've seen this, rarely, in individuals. In many cases once you start tracing money the amounts involved in many "die for their beliefs" situations is absurd. Terrorism, for example.

cpursley an hour ago

What point are you trying to make other than bigotry? Ethic Russians are not the only Eastern Europeans perpetuating cyber crime. Anyways, Nesterenko is a Ukrainian surname - at least get your racism correct.

0xAstro 3 hours ago

> Stark Industries Solutions

jarvis, whats the status of my dutch servers

debarshri an hour ago

Those who are curious about notorious data centers, please see Cyberbunker [1]. I think conceptually it is cool. Also in the netherlands.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberBunker

legacynl 2 hours ago

> those sanctions failed to target Stark’s remaining connection to the Internet — an Internet service provider based in the Netherlands called MIRhosting.

The fuck, i walk past the office of mirhosting every day

analog8374 3 hours ago

It would be nice if they named/prosecuted the people who paid them to perform the attacks.

dist-epoch an hour ago

The FSB? What are you going to do about that. Russia shot down an airliner full of Netherlands citizens and there were no repercussions.

parineum 2 hours ago

Law enforcement doesn't typically talk about ongoing investigations.

ziofill 2 hours ago

Maybe it's because I haven't had my coffee yet, but I swear my brain read: "Neanderthals Seize 800 Servers"

DeathArrow 3 hours ago

After reading the article I am not sure what crime did they commit in the Netherlands.

msh 3 hours ago

The article spells it out clearly: charging them with violating sanctions law by directly or indirectly making economic resources available to EU-sanctioned entities.

bunbun69 2 hours ago

I feel like you’re only asking this because you disagree with their charges, not because you genuinely have no clue why they’re arrested.

binaryturtle 3 hours ago

> …charging them with violating sanctions law by directly or indirectly making economic resources available to EU-sanctioned entities…

I guess that's why.

SecretDreams 3 hours ago

> charging them with violating sanctions law by directly or indirectly making economic resources available to EU-sanctioned entities.

Did you read this part?