Roku LT Operating System open source distribution (blog.roku.com)
116 points by dpmdpm 16 hours ago
FloatArtifact 12 hours ago
Open source all you want! It doesn't change the fact that they're spying the contents of your screen no matter what input is being used with Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) technology
thesuitonym 39 minutes ago
Actually they don't want to open source it. This is the result of a lawsuit.
riedel 11 hours ago
The original idea of open source or rather free software is to bmactually "own" the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. Guess this is not the case here, then. But I guess also most of android falls in that category that by now. I guess we should be using better,more attributes when describing open source
miki123211 3 hours ago
There's at least:
source available - whether you can read the code
open source - whether you can run (a modified version of) the code on some piece of hardware you own
open hardware - whether the hardware they sell you lets you run modified versions of their code
open contribution - whether they want your modifications
free software - whether your modifications have to be open source too
If it's at least source available, it can have any combination of these.
JacobKfromIRC 12 minutes ago
nwah1 2 hours ago
bogwog 3 hours ago
"Free software" has always been a misleading term, unfortunately. Maybe calling it "Freedom software" instead would be clearer.
But when you conflate free software with open source, you get confused people cheerleading their own abuse. Android is probably the worst offender here. Google Chrome, VSCode are others that come to mind.
functionmouse 3 hours ago
The idea of free software, yes, is to own the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. The idea of "open source" as a mantra is to confuse and muddle the ideas of free software in order to subvert the ideologists in that camp into supporting and furthering the goals of billionaire corporations. "Open source" as a calling card is intended to kill free software.
gricardo99 11 hours ago
you can disable this feature by going to Settings > Privacy > Smart TV Experience.nicman23 11 hours ago
can you ? can you really ?
ornornor 5 hours ago
Samsung does that too and use it to sell you stuff, show you ads, and retarget you across devices! (Not saying it’s a good thing, but rather pointing out how common this is)
mijoharas 4 hours ago
I'm really sick of the enshittification of smart TV's.
A while after I've had my LG TV, and found every arcane different menu you need to remove all the ads. They started sending me ads via the notification pop-up.
This continued even after finding and removing the consent for advertising (that I'd missed in one of the consent pop-ups.)
I've considered and looked into "dumb" TVs, but I don't think they're for me. I just want one that's not enshittified!
rdschouw an hour ago
snapplebobapple an hour ago
ornornor 3 hours ago
thesuitonym 39 minutes ago
cryo32 4 hours ago
surajrmal 4 hours ago
blackjack_ 2 hours ago
Yeahhhh I had to disconnect mine from the internet due to this (I don’t want a display ad on the menu screen when I turn on my TV like WTF, my TV just enshittified itself randomly with an update that added this a year or two ago). Which would be fine but you can’t change the TV menu tile layout if you are disconnected from the internet… Just incredible layers of design stupidity here.
imglorp 3 hours ago
Is this their dongles, TVs, or both?
thesuitonym 39 minutes ago
Both, and the speakerbars. Roku's business model is not selling hardware.
c0balt 14 hours ago
That looks neat, the code appears be mostly in C, seems reasonable documented and is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/rokudev/lt-sdk
dsign 9 hours ago
I wonder what would make this better (for some use cases at least) than venerable FreeRTOS? Or Zephyr? Or any of the other many, many RTOSes? In particular, the ESP32 comes with top notch documentation and SDKs that will make beginners at least want to stay with Espressif's modified RTOS for a while.
jon-wood 6 hours ago
That's also what I was wondering. What problems is this custom RTOS solving that all the other ones don't, or is it in fact just that some Roku engineers decided they needed some job security and having an OS nobody else uses would be a good path to that?
phantomathkg 14 hours ago
The good thing is, it is not written in Brightscript.
aturek 13 hours ago
Brightscript could have been worse!
And much, much better, as well
phantomathkg 12 hours ago
How could it be better? Brightscript is a proprietary language that serves nothing but a low power STB.
mik3y an hour ago
dubcanada 4 hours ago
krackers 15 hours ago
>that is already used in our industry-changing Roku remote controls.
Why does a remote control require a RTOS?
topspin 14 hours ago
Roku remotes are sophisticated devices. There are many models, so features vary, but among the possible features are 3.5mm audio output, Bluetooth audio, voice command input, Wi-Fi, infrared, battery charger and other things. Clearly a substantial MCU is present and thus, an RTOS.
NDlurker 13 hours ago
Pretty sure they don't have gyroscopes and accelerometers anymore, but they did early on. It was basically a Wii Mote and I played a ton of Angry Birds on my TV.
phh 9 hours ago
You can do an IR remote without a RTOS, but as soon as you do BLE you realistically need a RTOS. You have timers for keep-alives, connection states, competing interrupts, CPU-"intensive" tasks that can be preempted (for crypto)
SpecialistK 15 hours ago
Voice command handling, I would suspect.
_ZeD_ 11 hours ago
to spy on you
UnreachableCode 3 hours ago
On the topic that will likely pervade this news item: does anyone know the best FOSS TV system
hiccuphippo 2 hours ago
Not sure what exactly you are asking for, but check Jellyfin, it might be part of the answer.
UnreachableCode 2 hours ago
Jellyfin is good. I'm currently using the Roku version
latchkey an hour ago
I know it isn't FOSS, but I just plug a $500 Mac mini into my LG TV and use it with a wireless backlit keyboard/trackpad combo I got for $35 off the zon. IINA is a fantastic player. I rarely use the tv os.
LoganDark 14 hours ago
I wish they would offer the instruction in text as well rather than only in videos. Videos become stale and can't easily be used as a reference.
LeFantome 11 hours ago
Get an AI to transcribe the videos for you and then ask it to create a manual from the transcription.
LoganDark 3 hours ago
That's actually not the worst idea, thanks.
tecleandor 7 hours ago
I don't know if I'm missing something but from what I can see...
They don't seem to have any written documentation online, not even a list of features. They seem to have some doxygen docs on the repo, but they're not built anywhere. The only information ready to check are YouTube videos. The developer forum link they have in the top right doesn't work (I think since January they killed their forums).
It's a chore just to know what does it do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ddtaylor 10 hours ago
Does this meaningfully allow a person to push a modified version to their own TV without using a screwdriver?
jon-wood 6 hours ago
From the front page of the site at least, no. This isn't for the Roku device itself (which is almost certainly running some flavour of Linux), its for peripherals like the remote control which will have much less powerful processors.
jgalt212 15 hours ago
Please someone make a Roku remote with a physical keyboard.
zzrrt 12 hours ago
You can probably do it with a keyboard paired to a server/RPi that emits the keystrokes to the Roku ECP API, if having that second device is acceptable.
dd8601fn 9 hours ago
Rokus have a rest api that accept all the navigation and text inputs you'd do with the remote.
relyks 14 hours ago
This might be possible now. I think the better option is having a hardware device that acts a bridge between a bluetooth keyboard and the Roku.
snailmailman 13 hours ago
On my rokus, I am able to use my phone as a remote via the roku app. This includes typing on mobile via my phone's keyboard. Makes logging into things much easier.
criddell 2 hours ago
AppleTV is like that too. It's nice being able to use the password manager on my phone rather than have try to enter some long complicated password a letter at a time.