Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform (nltimes.nl)

109 points by TechTechTech 3 hours ago

boricj an hour ago

As a French person, I'm confused as to why DigiD is not a government-run project like FranceConnect is. I'm even more bewildered that an American company thought that they could take over the national identity management system of an European country, as if this was business as usual.

Aaargh20318 an hour ago

DigiD is a government project. It's owned and operated by Logius, which is a government-owned entity.

Logius outsourced the hosting and infrastructure to Solvinity.

loupol 39 minutes ago

That's a bit better but it shifts the question:

Why did they not mandate national (or at least EU-based) hosting and infra ?

It feels a bit insane in retrospect for such a critical digital service ?

Freak_NL 19 minutes ago

pyrale 30 minutes ago

navane an hour ago

I'm mostly bewildered that the Dutch government was ok with that, and it took way too much effort from the opposition to get them to pivot on this.

irdc an hour ago

As a Dutch person, I'm not. Dutch administrators are traditionally wary of doing anything themselves that they could conceivably outsource to a commercial party. That also results in endless swarms of locus^H^H^H^H^Hconsultants feeding on our taxes.

I hate it, but what can you do, this is sadly what people here keep voting for.

spockz 44 minutes ago

I’m unaware of this kind of topic ever being one of the points in election time. This as opposed to topics like animal welfare. Sovereignty is only now becoming more visible as a votable topic.

Sadly, I don’t know of a way to influence how our government practices IT. Except maybe to work for Logius. And even then there will be the topic of funding.

yxhuvud an hour ago

Governments are not the only players needing working digital id, and sometimes banks are faster to build it.

spockz an hour ago

Banks have nothing to do with DigiD. There is eidas which allows you to attest your identity using a bank.

carlosjobim 43 minutes ago

The entire customs system of all of China used to be run by European foreigners. Not because of Western imperialism, but on invitation from the Chinese rulers, as a measure to combat corruption.

Some European countries right now have their currency printing and their passport printing outsourced to foreign nations.

These things aren't too unusual.

expedition32 17 minutes ago

The Netherlands is a small but very tasty fish in a pond infested with sharks.

None of the sharks ultimately ever managed to agree who gets to eat it- because whoever did would upset the balance between the sharks.

But China and America are mega sharks who don't care about balance and want to eat everything or die trying.

outside1234 33 minutes ago

Probably because it is wildly expensive to have a government directly run any tech project.

juliusceasar 2 hours ago

Finally taking the digital threath from USA, Israel and China serious.

fidotron 44 minutes ago

When EU ID is needed for Eurovision voting we can all act surprised by the change in rankings.

Freak_NL 13 minutes ago

“This year's Eurovision winner: Tommy, Käärijä, and Joost, the Euroboys!”

“Huh. Israel hardly got any votes this year.”

28304283409234 an hour ago

Yes.. their days of not taking the threat seriously certainly have come to a middle.

markus_zhang an hour ago

What if this European company decides to contract out its job to other continents?

masfuerte an hour ago

Then they'll be in breach of contract. Lots of government contracts have a "no outsourcing" clause.

ChrisArchitect an hour ago

Related:

Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48278406

tosti 2 hours ago

IDK what it's like now, but DigiD used to be 2 racks in a separate cage. Even if you can access the floor, you're not getting physically near the servers.

deafpolygon 2 hours ago

What's wrong with the government taking over admin of DigiD? I just don't understand why the government won't consider funding it. It's a public infrastructure service at this point.

AndrewDucker 2 hours ago

For some reason the government isn't willing to pay software developer salaries. It would rather pay a company to pay them instead.

arjie 4 minutes ago

That's a logical thing for governments to do. Governments are under pressure on different axes than the companies they contract to do things. Governments switching contracts won't ever make the news, but it's much harder for them to fire people in order to take advantage of increasing efficiencies. Likewise, they cannot short-term employ people easily without this structure.

tokai an hour ago

In most cases its illegal to set up something inside the public org. It needs to be put out as a public offer. It's part of New public management pushed by neoliberal interests.

victorbjorklund 39 minutes ago

ur-whale an hour ago

> What's wrong with the government taking over admin of DigiD?

Because they're a government and they are therefore going to fuck it up.

lyu07282 41 minutes ago

Unfortunately you will never realize how this ideology is fucking up every facet of society and which interests that are never your own put a momentous effort into drilling that propaganda into your head.

jasonvorhe 21 minutes ago

Good luck with digital id. Not gonna play along. No matter what.

jfyi 3 minutes ago

[delayed]

hhh 20 minutes ago

Why? It’s been around in the netherlands for a while and it’s extremely convenient, basically just functions as SSO for government apps.

avocadoking an hour ago

This will be a nice money grab for some of the big european tech corps who always are late and dont care about maintenance afterwards. I hope I'm wrong.

flexagoon 2 hours ago

Why is DigiD even a product that needs constant maintenance? From my experience using it it's just a pretty simple authentication/data sharing system. Every oauth provider has something similar. Why is it a whole separate product that is owned by some company?

ivan_gammel 2 hours ago

Any network service with 24x7 availability and millions of users requires constant maintenance. Hardware has some lifetime and needs to be maintained and replaced. OS needs patching. Dependencies need security updates and, time to time, migrations to next major LTS update. Sometimes new requirements come from regulatory, that need development of new features. The skill set needs to be maintained. Support requests need to be served. Law enforcement may ask for some data.

Add to this hard digital sovereignty requirements: continuity of service must be guaranteed for decades. All this requires quite a special setup in which commercial entities are rather tolerated than welcomed, but they may still make more sense than a government agency so constrained by budget process that they cannot hire any decent engineer.