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I'm using Deepseek-v4-pro as my main model and this is sometimes pretty annoying, I have to do some easy boring task, think "I'll just leave the agent to do it and go take a nap", but it's already done writing the code before I even walk away from the computer

I don't see many companies being willing to pay 3x more for faster code generation. Cloud-based AI code generation is already extremely fast, and hardly the bottleneck for most software product development.

There can't be many normal use cases where there'd be any cost benefit.

asking for curiosities sake. What kind of PR loop are you running that takes a few hours?

We fit in for the things that are not artificial.

So long as AI lives in server farms, humans will be needed for tasks in the physical world.

It's only if we combine AI with robots that things get really dicey.

Woah - what’s the prompt and what’s the PR?

In which world do you live where employees work 8 hours per day ? They clock 8 hours per day maybe, but they don't work that time

You have to think LLM as the genie that tries to trick you.

First make it write a REQ/ARCH/IMPL document. Skim through those for any mistakes.

The ask it based on those to writer tests. Again skim those.

Now you have a context full of guardrails. It’s less likely that it will fuck up.

It's making things less fun, for me at least.

Chinese model is good enough and cheap.

i've a Github copilot yearly subscription. Microsoft recently changed their billing to based on token. i'm still getting billed per premium request but GPT 5.4 is now 6x compare to 1x before.

Another problem is that US models are all closed source, and if you're a large corporate you may not want your org to be held hostage by OpenAI / Anthropic.

I genuinely don't understand what moat these US model labs have. If they're saying recursive self improvement is just around the corner and Chinese labs are only slightly behind the leading US models, what moat does the US labs have? Are the US models going to recursively self improve better than the Chinese open source ones or something?

I might be completely wrong about this, but if I had money in OpenAI or Anthropic I'd be pulling it all right now. I think the chance of them going to near-zero over the next few years is very significant.

I see bigger problem with model inconsistency. You never know whether Anthropic will route your request to a cheaper model for the price of Opus. So you can never estimate how much a task will cost, because you might have to restart several times and pay for each attempt. Then you have to prompt models to gauge whether they are real or impostors which also adds to token usage.

I wonder what are the economics driving these pricing decisions? Are the Chinese companies just subsidizing their models to a greater degree than the US, or is this an emergent property of energy policy between countries?

MiMo and DeepSeek are not cheap. Anthropic and OpenAI are expensive for what they provide.

Sounds like exponential growth of crappy software. I'm not saying that before we didn't have mass produced crap in SE, but now it will turn into explosive overflow.

Anyone remember the old days when a new frontend framework came out every 3 months. That has pretty much stopped. No one cares anymore.

> Discussions about choosing a library with the best syntactic sugar method naming is just as crazy as suggesting we type in assembly.

I have a more hopeful take. As AIs improve and get faster we can more quickly and iteratively improve code which we may have historically avoided due to the work involved.

I know i've made several refactors that would have otherwise been insane lifts. Not only because the work involved but because sometimes you don't know if it will work, and so you have a sort of double friction; you don't know if it will even succeed. With an AI you can just throw it at the refactor to see if it runs into a problem all while you're having a coffee break or w/e.

In general AI is going to enable humanity to be more extreme versions of itself. For good and bad. I suspect more bad than good, though.

I'm not sure. Engineers could still develop software the old way, you know taking months to deliver something like, let's say, Obsidian? Or Ghostty? Taking care of every single line of code, of dependencies, of good architecture. Truly the old way. And if the product is good it will succeed.

Our bottleneck is going to be verification.

And how are you going to determine which is the best? Going through all the possible combinations of users and usage? So mostly it shifts the work from generation to validation.

And they will all suck! I can't wait.

The models might be so fast that they can autocomplete your prompt before you even finish it, and generate dozens of possible applications before you're even done asking.

You won't. Because 80% of the complexity is just "knowing what to build". You will get something that gives you a prototype in 1 min, then you break it, then you get a slightly better prototype one one side, but newly broken in another way, and you're going to repeat over and over.

i tried glm 4.7 for agents that write code. simple scripts 200-1000 LOC. extremely bad . Had to abandon cerebras oferning, their smart models are only on enterprise plan.

> And MiMo 2.5 is a lot more capable than GLM 4.7

MiMo 2.5 is not the same model as MiMo 2.5 Pro.

GLM 5.1 is z.ai's lastest iteration & is one of the popular open weight coding models.

If you've had the chance, how does GLM 5.1 (which is now more expensive than MiMo 2.5 Pro after its recent 70% price drop) compare?

Source? Their website says 1000t/s https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/which-is-faster-gemini-3-5-flas...

TFA mentions that until now special very expensive hardware like Cerebras was required for reaching this kind of speeds, and it emphasizes that what is novel in their results is that they have obtained over 1000 token/s for a model with over 1 T parameters by using just standard hardware, i.e. one server with 8 GPUs.

now that's what i call a software development breakthrough/platform! thanks for the heads up!

Cerebras currently does not provide any discounts for prefix caching making its use for agentic workloads sqr(n_turns) more expensive.

Comments at 1,000 TPS is a terrifying future.

Like what?

This is true for humans too. Lol

Maybe they don't have enough racks. The news indicate that China isn't in a really good situation with GPUs, so probably they want to keep most of them for other stuff. Also because since the price is so cheap they probably want to use the other GPUs for stuff that has higher margins.

Because presumably then it won't be 1000 t/s for everyone anymore given hardware limitations?

I wonder about this too. The other objections miss the point: if it's faster, and otherwise the same, and doesn't require different hardware, then why not just announce that the standard tier of MiMo-v.25-Pro is now ridiculously fast and raise the price? What does "limited high speed resources" mean if it runs on the same hardware as the rest of their pool?

I think the answer is that there's a tradeoff here where additional throughput for a single person can be achieved only by tying up more resources than a normal request would, even when you take into account the fact that the normal request takes longer to finish. I'm not an expert, but some of the optimizations they describe, particularly the parallel prediction stuff, sound like they could take up extra resources.

Maybe they only have a finite number of racks ;-)

Chinese companies are blocked from buying modern ASML lithography machines. The most modern scanner China is still allowed to buy is NXT:1980i from 2015.

Suspect this will be included once out of beta but at a higher credit/token ratio.

Remember, these guys are not VC backed. Anything they do must break even

Must be Blackwell for native fp4 support.

They say they are using https://github.com/tile-ai/TileRT

- persistent CUDA kernel

- tiled processing with overlapping read/writes

- model designed with specific constraints in mind

I mean, sure, in the sense that they're a real and meaningful number for most of the spectrum on offer, and only gets silly when the number gets too high? There's a pretty big usability difference between 10t/s and 100t/s, and I can imagine similarly for 100->1000. I don't know about > 1000, but let's not pretend that the number is meaningless.

Sliding window for the draft model, not for the main. 42B for active params because it’s a sparse MoE which is a common technique for the larger models to not get bottlenecked by memory bandwidth.

Given how "smart" some of the 26b dense models are now, I would not be surprised to see a strong 40b MoE.

different use cases for different people. some people are nurturing a code base and ensuring it doesnt become a gross mess so they become the bottleneck. some people are just trying to prompt stuff into existence and dont know what sql is.

I think this site often overlooks that second group and how large it likely is.

I remember when I had to wait minutes to get a high resolution image over a dialup connection. When computer and communications hardware advanced enough that I could get 30 high resolution images every second, there were brand new uses. In the case of LLMs, I could imagine that much faster operations allow you to introduce them as parts of systems that need to react to the real world at high speed, like factory equipment. Showing that a model can do the usual LLM tasks at extremely high speed is just a demo proving that the approach works.

Can I ask an honest question? Why does that matter in the slightest? LLMs come out with completely incorrect information all the time, and Western LLMs are censored for various topics too.

It's such a weird "Gotcha" that seems to only assume that Chinese LLMs might censor something.

What's your litmus test for the American models?

Anything different for Grok?

Do you also hire engineers based on their political opinions?

Which censored prompts do you test with non-chinese models?

Asking if Taiwan is a part of China works as well

What would be a correct explanation of the event?

Which ones fail?

No idea why you've been downvoted. This is excellent news.