Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time (theguardian.com)

122 points by neilfrndes an hour ago

SoftTalker an hour ago

This is more from a lot of coal power plants being converted to gas over the past 20 years than solar overtaking the outputs of those power plants. Coal output shrinking, solar output rising, the lines have crossed.

Coal is unpopular in all but a few areas where coal mining is still a part of the local econonmy. I used to work near a coal plant and every day I'd go out to my car and it would have little black particles all over it. Nobody likes that, no matter what the President says.

Retric an hour ago

Total electricity produced by coal + gas is down over the last 20 years. Total electricity production is up, the difference is from wind and solar.

This administration swapped to actively suppressing Wind and Solar via tariffs etc, and yet the trends continued because the underlying economic reality heavily favors battery backed solar.

toomuchtodo an hour ago

The world is, roughly, deploying 1TW/solar PV a year at current rates. It took a while to get here, it won’t take as long to get to 100%.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capaci...

SoftTalker an hour ago

Storage is the issue. You still need to supply base load (well, all load) at night.

jillesvangurp 4 minutes ago

hyperhello an hour ago

horsawlarway 33 minutes ago

Retric an hour ago

cduzz an hour ago

toomuchtodo an hour ago

idontwantthis an hour ago

pstuart an hour ago

xnx 23 minutes ago

+1 to the Guardian for mentioning their data source, but -1 for not linking to it.

+2 for EMBER for having a data source AND being able to link to the parameters that show solar overtaking coal for the month in the US.

https://ember-energy.org/data/electricity-data-explorer/?ent...

dnautics 17 minutes ago

The US currently is at per capita GHG emissions approximately at the the same level as it was in 1910.

https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states

Despite not being in the paris treaty, the us needs only a 10-12% reduction to meet the paris accord requirements on schedule (43% decrease by 2030).

usefulcat 11 minutes ago

Yes, but it was most recently at the same level between 1939 and 1940, according to that graph.

And total US GHG emissions are currently at about the same level as they were in 1988.

harmmonica 25 minutes ago

Question for those in the know... See lots of press about balcony solar in Germany, and California recently introduced a bill to allow it (I'm guessing other states already allow it; not sure if the CA bill has a chance of becoming law). But how far are we from a more plug and play home solar system that becomes a primary energy source as opposed to a limited secondary source? And what are the issues with it actually becoming a reality? Is it primarily regulatory where government, utilities, installers would fight it tooth and nail to protect revenue and/or the grid? Is it a legit safety issue? I have to imagine safety could be easily addressed in terms of the power management between grid and solar (obviously these balcony units are relatively safe, but tiny in comparison). Installation perhaps has more safety issues (e.g., installing panels on a roof), but I just wonder if it's reasonable to think that a more robust plug and play option will become available or is even already available in certain places.

And I feel the need to say this, but this is the type of question I'd immediately turn to an LLM to answer, and I probably will ultimately, but I "still" like getting peoples' on-the-ground experience/expertise.

trial3 14 minutes ago

i think it’s kind of the opposite: balcony solar is good for power companies in the same way that them asking you to turn off your lights is good for power companies: if each customer is using less overall power they can serve more customers with existing infra.

that obviously depends on time of use and the sun etc, but balcony solar in the USA can’t come fast enough. my electricity in NYC is almost $.40/kWh, a limited secondary source is still huge

it makes a lot of sense to me as someone who has casually researched as a way to make the load of an A/C vanish from the perspective of my utility, but i can’t see regulations catching up nationwide soon.

any real microinverters can detect the grid being down and shut off to prevent zapping people working on power lines, but the complexities of split-phase power (you can consume on one leg but backfeed on the other leg rather than consume what you generate, which is bad for billing etc) and risks of intra-circuit overload will all freak out americans.

we put outlets absolutely everywhere because of how scared we are of extension cords, there’s an education and “am i going to start an electrical file” consumer sentiment obstacle to widespread adoption in the US

awjlogan 17 minutes ago

Regulation aside, a significant issue is physical area. Most people won’t have access to enough area in the right direction to make it a primary source.

Aboutplants 27 minutes ago

Batteries taking over gas peakers is the next milestone I’m looking forward to. We will need gas generation for base load for quite a while due to the pure infrastructure that exists.

I do fear that natural gas may end up as a Nuclear scenario where in we do not wholly embrace natural gas Fuel Cells that produce electricity with no emissions. Yes you have the fracking issue but the US owns that environmental damage within its borders instead of outsourcing mineral extraction to poorer countries. We solve the biggest issue with fossil fuels (emissions) while working on limiting environmental impacts on extraction. It’s also way less noisy than gas turbines and can be scaled to basically any size.

Bloom is the gold standard right now but I hope they get strong competition soon, I truly believe/hope that Natural Gas fuel cells are a massive piece to the future energy puzzle.

margalabargala 20 minutes ago

Not sure that will come to pass. With the drop in price of both solar and batteries being not only continuous but accelerating, we're quickly approaching a tipping point where it will become uneconomical to not replace anything grid-tied fossil-fuel with solar/wind+battery.

Quickly being in the next decade or two.

SubiculumCode an hour ago

Oil next.

NooneAtAll3 14 minutes ago

USA became top 1 oil exporter, so we'll see how that goes

ck2 20 minutes ago

don't worry this administration is giving nearly a billion dollar bailout to coal using war powers so congress can't block

* https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/04/trump-coal-d...

leonidasrup an hour ago

In other news:

https://ourworldindata.org/profile/energy/united-states

In 2025 US produced from solar 388.82 TWh, from gas 1,807.34 TWh.

So solar has long way to grow to replace gas in US electricity production.

epistasis 35 minutes ago

That shift is going to happen a lot quicker than people expect, here's the expected 2026 US grid additions:

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67205

- Solar: +87 TWh/year (assuming 23% capacity factor, lower end of US range)

- Gas: +9TWh/year (6.3GW new, 4.6GW retirements, higher end of US capacity factor of 60%) https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67206

This is in the face of massive growth for grid demand for the first time in decades, so the trend will accelerate.

New gas turbine manufacturing capacity is tapped out, causing new gas CapEx to get more expensive:

https://www.woodmac.com/press-releases/gas-turbine-prices-so...

Meanwhile solar and storage are continually plummeting in price.

So the current trend of approximately all new generation being renewables is going to accelerate. And then it will start eating into older, existing generation assets, causing early retirements of existing gas generation capacity.

Most investors think that any new gas generation built today will be a stranded asset long before its end of life. That doesn't matter to the hyperscalers, who run them so poorly and hard that the turbine shafts die in a few years and can afford it, but for regular utilities, buying any new gas generation is a boondoggle meant to soak the ratepayers and capture the guaranteed profit rate.

And the numbers above ignore residential solar, which will further lessen demand for gas, and as the cost of transmission and distribution soar on the grid, residential solar becomes an always better deal, because it skips all that.

The global cost-minimum for a future grid will have gas on it for maybe 20 more years, but not much after that. We'll switch to lots of storage and tons of over-capacity of solar and wind.

margalabargala 12 minutes ago

On the other hand.

Here we are reading about solar overtaking coal. Coal was producing more grid electricity than gas relatively recently, in 2015.

The rate of growth of solar-produced electricity is accelerating. Given another decade, there's every chance it can supplant gas as well.

ChrisArchitect an hour ago

YtMtBt an hour ago

All so that we can ruin the world with AI.

warkdarrior 10 minutes ago

Coal-powered AI has fewer hallucinations.