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Ok, I've swapped that link in at the top and put the submitted URL (https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/releases/tag/v0.3.0) in the toptext.

I don't think it's fair to say this work has happened in the shadows. I work on CNCF wasmCloud, and I know how hard we try to make this content available.

- Many standing meetings organized around SIGs, all on the public community calendar: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/newembed?src=events...

- A dedicated Zulip: https://bytecodealliance.zulipchat.com/

- Conferences organized around exactly these topics: Wasm Day, WasmCon, Wasm I/O, and the Bytecode Alliance Plumbers Summit

- CNCF projects: wasmCloud, Spin

- Blogs, many with recordings, summaries, and transcripts: https://bytecodealliance.org/articles/the-road-to-component-..., https://wasmcloud.com/community/, https://spinframework.dev/blog/index

If you want the architectural direction straight from the source, Luke Wagner's keynotes are the best place to start:

- "What is a Component (and Why)?" (WasmCon 2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAACYA1Mwv4

- "The Path to Components": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phodPLY8zNE

- "Towards a Component Model 1.0" (Wasm I/O 2026): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0Auw01tH8

I mean this, though - what else would you like to see to try and make the content and process more accessible? Are there communities that are doing this really well that we could use for inspiration?

There is an issue open for instantiating modules at runtime: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model/issues/423

It's version 0.3...

> The promise of wasi components has not been fulfilled. The market wants to hotload and link artifacts dynamically. The wasi project requires insider wizardry to use it that way: the offering has been statically linking components before you ship. Defeating 99% of the use cases.

I think both of these points on the spectrum (dynamic linking / runtime "hot instantiation" of arbitrary black-box artifacts with dynamic [presumably reflection-based?] API discovery on the one end; and fully static linking within a project on the other end) are strawmen. There are relatively few "real" use-cases for WASI on either of these ends. Most of the stuff anyone is really interested in using WASI for involves the midpoint between these two points.

AFAICT, the point of WASI has always been to serve as a meta-standard for concrete "pluggable runtime" systems to implement support in terms of.

In such "plugin ecosystems", every "plugin" (WebAssembly component) is of the same shape (i.e. exposing the same endpoints, and expecting the same capabilities.) And so the host runtime, and each of its plugins, can be precompiled (separately, in separate projects!) against that shape. And the plugin host can load arbitrary wasm components into a pre-baked plugin "slot" at runtime, because there's no dynamism / introspection / reflection / component framework support required or involved. The plugin host isn't a component itself; it's just ordinary host runtime code, written once. The component framework doesn't load the component; the host runtime does. Etc.

In a sense, this is "custom binding" as you were talking about. But it's custom binding against a WASI-specced target; which is what enables different plugins to be runtime-fungible within the same plugin "slot" from the host's perspective.

If your goal is to compile some one-off blob of WebAssembly code into an artifact that you can then e.g. treat like an old-school ActiveX component from browser JavaScript, then yeah, you don't need WASI at all for that. Just use a one-off custom binding. (Though I would note that the WASI work has acted as a forcing function for the WebAssembly-component ABI, enabling you to write much richer custom bindings than you would have been able to write before WASI.)

But if you're:

- developing a FaaS runtime like Cloudflare Workers

- developing a game engine that allows "mods"

- developing a cloud-hosted agent sandbox, where the toplevel is code (that invokes LLMs, that invoke capabilities)

(etc)

...or, in other words, if you are developing a thing, that O(N) downstream things all plug into; all in a very precise and controlled way; all in the same way; with a precisely definable spec for 1. what API the runtime wants to call into on the component; and 2. what APIs the runtime wants to hand to the component, to enable the component to call those APIs...

...then WASI was developed precisely for you.

And, more specifically, WASI was created so that you could:

1. use WASI to define that API spec (as machine-readable WIT files); and then

2. give that spec, and those WIT files, to the developers in your ecosystem;

3. so that they could then use existing WebAssembly+WASI tooling to build WebAssembly components that target your API spec. (Most likely not by expecting them to independently bootstrap a WebAssembly+WASI dev environment; but rather, by you shipping an SDK that embeds WebAssembly+WASI tooling and your WIT files together.)

(I would also note that this — i.e. "the thing WASI solves for" — is actually a rather rare use-case on the whole. Your average dev isn't [and shouldn't be!] building an ecosystem for API-sandboxed plugins of their code. The few devs that do need to construct their own plugin ecosystems around their project, probably can therefore be expected to go quite deep on learning any required "insider wizardry." If that was even required. Which it generally isn't, when all you're trying to do is to load one of N unknown-until-runtime but statically-defined-ABI-shape plugin components; rather than trying to load arbitrary runtime-generated dynamically-defined-ABI-shape components, allowing those components to load or compile+exec further components, etc.)

The component model is what unlocks relatively type-safe interop between modules written in different languages. Given that Wasm is a runtime target for many languages, this is an entirely appropriate and useful goal.

If you have a host system where you want to expose APIs in an language-agnostic way, IDLs are the best way to do that.

You're also conflating the core WebAssembly work with the WASI work. There is some overlap in people, but WASI is developed separately.

The present component model is "simple and stable". It is presently providing "interoperability between different ecosystems" and has been for years. It has basically nothing in common with CORBA. All the major problems with the Unix design they ran into that caused them to switch to a component model haven't vanished; the component model is still the best way of solving WASM's major complications that traditional C-based designs don't have. C-based designs, in general, are not better just because they came first; if you were designing systems programming from scratch, you'd want something like WIT (proof: Microsoft has done this twice now).

I agree. This is saddening. It seems to often happen in "standard first" scenarios for some reason. I was very happy when CloudABI and POSIX were picked as prior art inspiration.

Now it feels like it moved from "what would we need to get things done and achieve our goals?" to "what could be done and which goals could we achieve?"

Maybe I am missing something, but are the recent changes something that people requested?

AIUI, the underlying motivation for the WASM component model is the same as for the early interface types proposal, which has been a planned part of WASM since the very beginning - namely to allow modules written in high-level languages to expose "native" interfaces, without requiring a completely bespoke translation into WASM's lower level facilities. That's a sensible goal, even if achieving this may ultimately involve something that's at least loosely reminiscent of CORBA.

i don't think people calling it CORBA-like are doing it in good faith, but regardless, no we should not do unix apis everywhere for the rest of time please

I disagree. We shouldn't just be copying Unix until the end of time.

> WASI should be ... stable.

The WASI standard is not at 1.0 yet! The people designing WASI are still trying to figure out what people want WASI to be at this point.

This is very likely to involve a lot of major reworking before 1.0, in response to feedback from orgs actually trying to implement WASI-based WebAssembly embeddings into their systems and runtimes. 0.1.x -> 0.2.x was one reworking; 0.2.x -> 0.3.x is another. There may be more of these before an approach is finally settled upon / "locked in" for 1.x.

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> Let's keep WebAssembly lean and fast!

AFAICT, the entire point of the changes (incl. the more detailed component model) in WASI 0.3 is performance. Not performance of WebAssembly as a black box, though; but rather, performance of the running system as a whole, when a lot of FFI traffic is flowing across the WASI boundary. The richer component model enables lower impedance mismatches and "thinner" FFI-layer implementations.

For example, from the OP:

> WASI 0.2 handed you an output-stream that you wrote into imperatively. WASI 0.3 has you pass in a stream<u8> and get back a future that resolves when the write completes.

For some host languages/runtimes, "imperative blocking write calls" is already how writes against IO descriptors are exposed to the programmer. For those languages, WASI 0.2 made sense.

But in other host languages/runtimes, writes against IO descriptors are inherently non-blocking, returning promises or yielding. For those languages, WASI 0.2 "left performance on the table." WASI 0.2 required such languages to implement a blocking IO write abstraction on top of their non-blocking IO write semantics, in order to pass that blocking-IO-write primitive into the WebAssembly componennt... even if the WebAssembly component was internally concurrent (e.g. compiled from a language like Golang) and so would highly benefit from a non-blocking-IO-write primitive!

Meanwhile, if you require that the host expose a non-blocking-IO-write primitive (as WASI 0.3 does), then for hosts with native non-blocking IO, doing so is free; while for hosts with only blocking IO, non-blocking IO can be "faked" basically for free (i.e. with a global or per-resource linearized write queue on the host side.) And likewise, non-blocking-IO-aware WebAssembly components can freely take advantage of NIO; while WebAssembly components that expect blocking IO only need the tiniest added bit of a codegen shim (`blocking_write(x) => await nonblocking_write(x);`) to fit into a WASI 0.3 world.

In other words, implementing nonblocking IO abstractions on top of blocking IO abstractions costs FFI performance, but implementing blocking IO abstractions on top of nonblocking IO abstractions is "free" (in FFI terms.) Nonblocking IO should therefore be considered the more "primitive" of the two; and so, if you have to choose only BIO or NIO to expose as a capability across a boundary to an unknown peer, NIO should be the one you choose.

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That being said...

The WASI devs were likely aware of the "FFI optimization opportunities being left on the floor" in WASI 0.2. They likely already wanted to take things in this direction from the beginning. But in WASI 0.2, without async, it was impossible to express the concept of nonblocking IO (i.e. of IO operations returning a promise/future.) They needed to introduce this more "opinionated" (i.e. richer) component model in order to get here.

AFAICT, WASI 0.2 was never intended to be a Release Candidate of the WASI spec. (And WASI 0.3 likely isn't either!)

Rather, WASI 0.2 had areas (like IO) that were purposefully left "under-baked". The WASI team knew people needed some version of these primitives in order for WebAssembly components to usefully integrate into systems at all. But they hadn't yet put in the work on designing how certain aspects of WASI (e.g. async) would work. So they designed WASI 0.2 as a prototype design, based on the limited toolbag of primitives they had already fully agreed upon. Some aspects of WASI turned out to only "want" that limited toolbag of primitives, and so didn't change at all under WASI 0.3 (and might even be in their final shapes.) Other aspects "wanted" things that weren't there, and so experienced over-constrained designs under WASI 0.2, replaced with less-constrained designs under WASI 0.3.

I fully expect there will be more such changes under WASI 0.4.

I used WASI to compile an existing 1990's 8-bit assembler cmdline tool written in C for use in a VSCode extension (https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=floooh.v...) - along with regular browser-based WASM compiled via Emscripten for the embedded emulators.

For this use case the old-school POSIX-style WASI was just perfect and completely hassle-free via the WASI SDK (https://github.com/webassembly/wasi-sdk).

Not sure what to think of all the bells and whistles that were added afterwards (esp the component model), the very first WASI standard was the perfect sweet-spot of simplicity and usefulness. I'm pretty sure I'll never need any of the things that were added afterwards (and I'm going to be slightly pissed when the simple use case - building and running POSIX code - gets more complicated).

WASI is the best format for code submitted by users, entirely untrusted, which is in principle of any complexity but expected to be pretty simple. It works on any platform, in any environment, with extreme and direct control over its access to every resource and its ability to execute at all. Wasmtime's "fuel" feature is not something you can do with containers, and if you can do it with VMs then I don't know about it, but VMs are behemoths for the task of executing a simple function that would in an alternate universe be CEL.

> If you have used WASI in the past, can you mention your use case?

For my "TagLib for TypeScript" library, I use WASI for local filesystem operations when used with Node.js/Deno/Bun. https://github.com/CharlesWiltgen/taglib-wasm

I tinkered with https://extism.org and basically the use case is that they suggest, namely you can extend software in another programming language but without having to setup a container or VMs on the client. They "just" run the code in the browser and it can be JavaScript, sure, but can also be Python, Go, whatever.

It's quite specific though as I'm working on support programming in the browser.

If you are not deep into letting a very specific kind of user extend, it's probably overkill.

Even then it's a very VERY niche thing because it has to be simultaneously :

- someone who is opinionated about a programming language (either because they know too much, i.e. expert, or not enough, i.e beginner)

- is dedicated enough to want to try to build something on top of an existing system

- does not want to bother with solutions you mentioned

Extending my Rust binary with a marketplace of WASM-based extensions like VSCode

In-process sandboxed llm-generated code execution. Considerably lighter weight, faster to boot (assuming pre-compilation) than Docker or spinning up micro-VMs.

I'm using it for a secure, language agnostic workflow orchestrator. Components have very finely-grained and controller permissions and access to data. They don't even get clocks by default (to mitigate against Spectre-style attacks) and credentials and tainted data are sequestered.

The best usage example of WASI I know of is the Zig compiler: https://ziglang.org/news/goodbye-cpp/

Edge rural farm systems

extending software with a plugin system

I think its killer use case is actually embedded in non-web places. Tree Sitter parsers require arbitrary programs to be able to parse arbitrary languages. WebAssembly is a natural way to achieve that: write your parser in any language, compile to WebAssembly, use that result in any supported editor. You get sandboxed execution and arbitrary compute.

It has to compete with more domain-adapted use cases though. Does WASM make more sense than eBPF for packet filtering? It doesn't seem to make more sense than JavaScript for making websites. Maybe it makes more sense for deploying edge services (which IIUC is the main use case for WASI).

It's already a breakthrough in my opinion.

Many things are possible that weren't possible before. For example, I was able to compile the Dart VM (the compiler + analyzer + VM) to wasm and run it on the web: https://github.com/modulovalue/dart-live it supports hot reload and many other cool features. It runs essentially everywhere and it's a very bare proof of concept for a fully integrated programming development system.

The problem is that things just take time if you have to coordinate across a bunch of languages and teams while trying to make everyone happy.

To give you a sense of what else is coming: the wasm ecosystem is moving towards supporting a component model. Eventually you'll be able to import any piece of code from any programming language that supports it. Wasm interface types will make that possible.

I think I've seen you comment this on every recent WASM post, and I'm really wondering what you think breakthrough success looks like for a low-level technology like WASM?

Do you expect everyone to hand-code their websites in WASM? Do you expect every webapp be cross-compiled to WASM?

From where I'm standing, WASM is extremely successful in its specific niches: in enabling islands of high-performance in otherwise web-based software, and in sandboxing plugins to native apps/servers.

It's a silent technology, but I'd argue it has broken through in that most of us already use it daily without knowing. Figma, Google Sheets, Disney+, Prime Video, and much more all have WebAssembly somewhere in their stack.

WebAssembly is used in all sorts of ways.

It's used heavily by major web apps like Figma, it's used to run non-Javascript languages on Cloudflare Workers, many compute-heavy web libraries rely on Wasm modules, many web games rely on Wasm, it's used for safe plugins in some native apps like Microsoft Flight Simulator, amongst other use cases.

It has, but its usually just an optimization, so goes unnoticed

WASI stands for WebAssembly System Interface.

It has little to do with the webassembly in the browser.

I use it to extend a native application, for example. No browser in sight at all.

WebAssembly doesn't beat JavaScript in performance, and that is embarrassing.

I mean, it’s another tool. It doesn’t really make an entirely new kind of web app possible, but it’s useful for some specific compute-heavy tasks (with limitations like JS<->WASM being slow). It’s also useful for running not-JS in the browser; I’m building a lighting console with a web UI distributed over multiple devices, and being able to use the exact same structs/representation and algorithms on server and client is pretty neat. It’s like Node, but in reverse! But none of this is cause for paradigm shift, so I don’t think seeing a ”breakthrough” really is relevant.

You said the exact same thing a couple days ago. You don't know what you don't know.

WebAssembly has been a great success thanks to its excellent initial design.

for me its undebuggability.

-"hey, look at our C Rust FORTRAN to WASM translator, blahblah"

-"uhm, cool, how do I debug it?"

-"yeah...about that...you cant!"

I'm building a game where you learn to program golang or python and it all runs in webassembly, this way any student chromebook can just pick up and go.

That feels pretty revolutionary, no need to setup your local system to get core concepts.

Even have plans to use postgres in WASM (pglite), and I know a few real time apps use sqlite in WASM.