Making glass-to-metal seals for home­made vacuum tubes (maurycyz.com)

56 points by zdw a day ago

alister 2 hours ago

What was the large-scale commercial procedure for making electrodes that pass through the glass without letting air in? I assume that electronics manufacturers must have been making millions of such vacuum tubes in the past. Is the knowledge lost (or not practical for hobby use)?

adrian_b an hour ago

As mentioned in TFA, the most important factor for successfully joining a metal and a glass is to match their thermal expansion coefficients.

Most pure metals have a much greater thermal expansion than any glass, which will cause cracks.

In the nineteenth century, the first successful joinings of metal with glass were done using platinum, but that is obviously too expensive for normal applications.

Eventually a special alloy of iron-nickel-cobalt was developed, which is named kovar and whose thermal expansion is matched to that of a certain type of borosilicate glass.

The use of kovar was widespread in electronics, starting with the vacuum tubes and gas tubes, and then continuing with the first generations of transistors and integrated circuits, which used metal packages.

All the old transistors and operational amplifiers that were packaged in metal cans had pins and package bases made of kovar.

When kovar had to be joined with a different kind of glass than the type with which it is matched in thermal expansion, that glass was coated in one or more layers of different kinds of glasses, with that matched to kovar in contact with the metal and the intermediate layers having intermediate thermal expansion coefficients, interpolating between the bulk glass and kovar.

Kovar is not a good thermal or electrical conductor, which is why the modern power transistors that use plastic packages (e.g. TO-247) and copper bases and pins (which are plated with nickel or tin, to avoid corrosion) can easily dissipate much greater powers than the old transistors in TO-3 metal cans, which had the same size. On the other hand, the old transistors in metal packages were pretty much immune of environmental influences.

SoftTalker an hour ago

Ordinary incandescent bulbs must have similar sealing requirements, but they probably mostly rely on using a thin conductor that doesn't contract much when it cools. Also IIRC modern incandescent bulbs do not use a high vacuum but contain a low pressure inert gas so leakage would be slower if it occurs at all.

adrian_b 30 minutes ago

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ludicrousdispla an hour ago

I'm not sure what specific glass and metal are used in neon sign electrodes, but their definitely built to hold a higher vacuum under decades of use. Their relatively cheap and you can get them with small tubes on the end for pulling the vacuum.

SoftTalker 2 hours ago

Vacuum tubes are still made today, so I'm sure the knowledge is not lost. I'm curious about the answer as well.

NoMoreNicksLeft 38 minutes ago

I was under the impression that they were only made in eastern Europe at this point, former bloc nations. Even then, the demand must be microscopic at this point.

drum55 30 minutes ago

CamperBob2 an hour ago

The article pretty much tells you: "Copper's red oxide bonds very well to glass. In fact, the bond is stronger than the bulk glass: when it breaks, there's always a thin layer of glass left stuck to the metal. Along with its excellent electrical properties, it seems like an ideal electrode material." If you look at how vacuum tubes are constructed that's essentially what you see.

Tubes are evacuated through a hole created elsewhere, nowhere near any electrical connections. The getter is then flashed to clean up any gas molecules left over.

adrian_b 43 minutes ago

Nope, as also mentioned in TFA, copper has a too great thermal expansion coefficient in comparison with glass.

If vacuum tubes had pins of copper, the glass-metal joining would have cracked very soon during normal usage cycles, and there would have been no vacuum left in the tube.

Real vacuum tubes and gas tubes had pins made of kovar, which is a Fe-Ni-Co alloy with a TCE matched to a certain composition of borosilicate glass.

The kovar pins were normally plated with nickel on their external parts, to enable soldering, because molten solder does not wet kovar.

CamperBob2 38 minutes ago

LgWoodenBadger 30 minutes ago

Would you be able to reseal the cracked glass and regenerate the vacuum through the other end?

More glass, epoxy, or similar?

bluGill 12 minutes ago

Plastic generally isn't an air tight seal. The leaks may be slow, but generally we hope vacuum tubes last for years.

adrian_b 22 minutes ago

An accidental crack can be resealed, but if the crack had appeared because inappropriate materials were used, e.g. an unsuitable metal-glass pair, resealing is pointless, because cracks will appear again after the device is turned on and off several times, causing expansion-contraction cycles.

projektfu 2 hours ago

I was wondering about the feasibilty of this, but I thought that useful tubes needed a harder vacuum than that. Is this really "good enough" for a triode?

I figured the wire-holding/element-holding aspect of a standard tube was in the base, and the glass-to-base seal is the important part. You can have a less-hot metal holding the filament and penetrating through the base. But I haven't looked carefully. These are my off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts about it.

rigonkulous 42 minutes ago

> Is this really "good enough" for a triode?

Let us not overlook that its also a lot of energy. Its not a matter of "good enough", I think in this case - more "can I?" ..

smlacy 2 hours ago

Hmmmm. Wonder if you could just induct through the glass with coils on each side? Seems perfect for high voltage applications?

bluGill 8 minutes ago

That depends. Often vacuum tubes are used with DC (that is a rectifier) in some form though, in which case you can't do this since induction depends on AC. I'm not sure what purpose the article had for a triode though, depending on their application this might work.

K0balt an hour ago

Interesting idea! Wouldn’t have to be particularly high voltage either.