Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers (davidrevoy.com)

155 points by Tomte 5 hours ago

ndiddy 4 hours ago

> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently.

If the project being named after Wacom is actively causing other companies to not contribute because they believe it’s a Wacom lead project and they’d be helping a competitor, I don’t understand why this is even a debate vs. just changing the name to something vendor neutral.

burnte 3 hours ago

And it's been a decade long argument? Sounds like someone is just emotionally attached to something not changing. Those are the hardest problems to solve.

myrmidon 3 hours ago

Not necessarily.

The technical people managing the repos might just be opposed to name changing in general (seeing how a boatload of links, references, documentation would require updating, some of which you don't even control), and meanwhile those people might feel the "misbranding" drawbacks much less (if at all).

burnte 2 hours ago

shermantanktop 2 hours ago

nine_k 11 minutes ago

bandofthehawk 2 hours ago

KaiserPro 3 hours ago

Name changes are controversial. Nothing gets nerds going more than changing a project name so companies work better with OSS.

weaksauce a minute ago

burnte 2 hours ago

__mharrison__ 3 hours ago

MomsAVoxell 3 hours ago

inigyou 3 hours ago

Onavo 3 hours ago

jrm4 2 hours ago

Preach. And it's a disease.

Signed, the guy who will forever believe GIMP could have been a contender with a name change decades ago.

pmontra 2 hours ago

joeld42 an hour ago

MomsAVoxell 3 hours ago

Its most likely a debate because making such a major refactoring effort is actually a heavy work load, there are lots of bits and pieces to tie together and cut out and so on, and the folks capable of shepherding this change through all the parties out into the distro's are already underpaid/under-appreciated too much as it is ..

Hopefully, this situation will get some traction with a bit of noise about it, and the distros can actually put some effort into handling the rename - or maybe a hero will arise in the midst of all the fuss, who just does the full renaming properly, tested, and so on - in a fashion that it simply can't be ignored.

It's definitely an interesting thing to see this happening, anyway. Open Source has many, many troublesome facets when it comes to fairness and equity, but it also has a lot of bright, shining moments. The fact that the technical ability to build these drivers is already a given, and really the thing holding everything back is just the corporate brand obsession, is kind of hilarious though, also.

Duh, you own your competitor by pushing your tech into their brand-space, dummies. This is an opportunity for brands-not-Wacom to eat Wacoms lunch in a delightfully technologically significant way - but, alas, the brand cult reared its maw, instead...

chadgpt3 an hour ago

I think it makes them own you - a little. You look subsidiary to Wacom.

otikik 3 hours ago

Yes. It feels like the article was leading towards a reason for not doing that, but then suddenly it just ends.

yk an hour ago

Pretty sure the reason is, that anybody who could actually do the changes thinks works for me, the alternative is a lot of work for little technical gain.

And besides once you start your tablet for Linux Projekt you have to touch everything, so that is a nice opportunity to finally refactor the wacom_debug_2 mess and pretty soon you're drowning in yak shavings.

kouteiheika 2 hours ago

> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently.

Okay... let's rename them then? I know it's silly, but, well, we've went through the whole pointless `master` -> `main` branch rename in so many projects which was much more disruptive -- at least this one could serve a purpose?

cortesoft 2 hours ago

I find it interesting that you think this rename serves a purpose when the master to main rename does not.

Neither change has any technical reason. The only reason why either name change was desired is because some contributors were upset by the names.

chrismorgan 12 minutes ago

When I started using a graphics tablet, long ago, I was confused about why all this stuff was labelled Wacom, and whether it was applicable to me or not, when using a device of another brand. Some parts of it seemed to be, and other parts didn’t? It was very confusing, and a genuine confusion that made me uncertain even in purchasing. (It would be less confusing now because user-facing parts don’t touch the “Wacom” name as much any more.)

Whereas the “master” thing was transparent linguistic nonsense and a strictly-US cultural thing that a few people foisted on the rest of the world because they decided to get offended on behalf of a hypothetical group.

wpm an hour ago

The difference I think is that it is reasonable for a company to not want to bother working in a project named after their competitor, when "master" has always had multiple meanings from "formal title for a young boy" to "really experienced tradesperson" to "authoritative record" and it is somewhat unreasonable to associate "authoritative record" with "slave master", especially since git branches were rarely named "slave". Wacom is a brand that hasn't been Xerox'ed or Kleenex'd or Band-aided. I don't call every drawing tablet a Wacom.

kouteiheika 29 minutes ago

> Neither change has any technical reason. The only reason why either name change was desired is because some contributors were upset by the names.

Indeed, neither has any technical reason.

I suppose you're right that both changes have a purpose -- one could feasibly convince a company to contribute Linux drivers (a net win for everyone), and the other is a constant annoyance which wastes everyone's time (is this project using `main`, or `master` -- you never know, so have fun getting it wrong all the time) just to allow certain groups of people/corporations to virtue signal**.

** -- If "master" is such a naughty word then where are all of the people getting offended by e.g. "Mastercard", "Ticketmaster", "Master Lock", "MasterBrand", and many other company/product names, and why those names aren't getting changed? Why there isn't any outrage about them? My point here is not to engage in whataboutism, but just to point out that the word isn't actually offensive when used in a non-offensive manner, and virtually no one is actually genuinely upset about it.

pmontra 2 hours ago

I'm entering troubled waters but hey... The master to main issue is an accident of the history of the USA, still unresolved in its consequences, when most of the world was not practicing slavery anymore. The typical reaction outside the USA is rolling eyes and hope that all the ethnic groups inside the USA will finally get along. If the IT and economic powerhouse of the world were India instead of the USA and Indians would have picked master instead of main despite the British colonial period, this would be a non-issue: the USA could use a different convention (like for units of measurement) and the rest of the world wouldn't notice.

BTW, every country had its expansionist and genocidal and slavery moments (I'm from Italy, think about the Roman expansion inside Italy, then the empire or our colonial wars 100 years ago.) The USA is one of the most recent examples. It takes time and I understand that master vs main is important inside the country.

The issue of Wacom branding is different because it's a business dynamic and businesses don't want to work for competitors no matter the country, no matter the history. They can work together or an equal footing. So rename to libtablet or whatever.

bee_rider an hour ago

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago

Feel free to reply to that email and let them know that your readers just discovered that instead of considering Wacom alternatives, they now believe that Wacom is the only brand they can use on Linux. It seems like the only valid response to that is to give money to the people who make their hardware usable on my software.

egypturnash 3 hours ago

It’s not like they collaborate on closed-source drivers either. If you have two different brands of tablets in your life then you get to deal with weird bugs from their drivers fighting. And if you’re on Windows they may fight with MS’ attempt at default drivers, too.

fouc 3 hours ago

fork and rename the https://github.com/linuxwacom/wacom-hid-descriptors project, strip all wacom references. then share w/ the other tablet brands. problem solved.

toomim 3 hours ago

Good point. You don't even need to rename the upstream project. Just create a new project, and get the code there. Since it's open source, it will eventually make its way into the upstream libwacom as well.

__mharrison__ 3 hours ago

Name it something really confusing like... Linuxtablet

inigyou 3 hours ago

or Drawing Tablet Drivers for Linux

but open source will never have such sensible names. It'll probably be called something like Ujagu Flemble or Bananahead.

dd8601fn 2 hours ago

Or, as is tradition, something stupid like “the gimp” or “go”.

wpm an hour ago

baud147258 an hour ago

abdullahkhalids 3 hours ago

Besides Wacom, which tablets would you recommend as good quality?

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago

This entire debacle just screams only use Wacom since they're the only ones making their hardware usable on Linux.

fl4regun 44 minutes ago

huion and Xp-Pen are pretty good. I've had both working well on linux computers as well.

Palomides an hour ago

quite happy with huion on linux

TekMol 2 hours ago

Could AI do it?

Would it work to give the Windows driver to an LLM and tell it to analyze it and write a Linux driver?

fooker an hour ago

It's funny to see the downvotes here.

Maybe people don't realize that this is very much within the capabilities of modern AI nowadays?

At $dayjob we have encountered people reverse engineering our driver with Claude and creating GitHub repos with pretty useful vibecoded tools and documentation.

Yes, the raw binaries of the driver. Not leaked source code or anything like that.

AlienRobot 3 hours ago

One thing I miss from Windows is the tablet driver GUI. "cinnamon-settings wacom" doesn't let me map buttons to keys (important for software like FireAlpaca, which pans with the space key instead of supporting the middle mouse button like everybody else in the planet), and it also doesn't let me remap the tablet area to arbitrary screen coordinates. These are things I could do on Windows that I can't do through the GUI.

I wrote a Python script to do it using xsetwacom, but I don't know if it would work for anybody else. I don't know if xsetwacom is only for wacom tablets, or if xsetwacom is only for X11 (I'm not on Wayland yet).

Palomides an hour ago

have you tried OpenTabletDriver?

nosioptar 2 hours ago

xsetwacom does not work with Wayland. I doubt it ever will. Someone could probably build a similar tool that does work with Wayland.

It's just another reason why Wayland isn't ready for daily use.

pellmellism 40 minutes ago

lol banana slice

WillAdams 2 hours ago

For my part, I've been using Wacom tablets and styluses and digitizers since placing a same day order (2AM) w/ PC Warehouse using their 1-800 number, paying for rush shipping and getting a Wacom ArtZ later that same day.

I've suffered through a lot of non-Wacom EMR styluses in the past, and my preference is to buy the real thing, so I'm okay with the status quo, unless there has been a marked improvement --- that said, who wants multiple stylus technologies? A big improvement in my life was getting the same Wacom EMR support on _all_ of my devices, so I can:

- make a note in MyScript Notes on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+

- add it into a to-do notebook on my Kindle Scribe Colorsoft

- open the note in Nebo.app on my Samsung Book 3 Pro 360 for reference/editing

- work on the project on my MacBook using a Wacom One display

(and yes, there are times when I have all four devices out)

I couldn't count how many Wacom EMR styluses are scattered around my house or in various laptop bags....