Jolla Phone (October 2026) (commerce.jolla.com)
158 points by mrbn100ful 3 hours ago
Tiberium 2 hours ago
Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.:
- https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims...
Retr0id 2 hours ago
Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS.
Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
ttkari 2 hours ago
If what you want is android and you have privacy concerns, GrapheneOS is probably the best you can get.
Then again, SailfishOS is a linux with much of the usual linux stuff like userland with bash, coreutils, glibc, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio etc.
microtonal an hour ago
ux266478 2 hours ago
/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The list goes on.
Android (and by extension GrapheneOS) uses Linux as a kernel, but it lives in its own world and is completely unrecognizable. I'd say it's even more alien than macOS. For most users, the differences don't matter. If you're a programmer or a sysadmin with reasonable expectations, you feel like a fish out of water very fast. And I cannot honestly the changes are for the better.
drnick1 an hour ago
IshKebab 2 hours ago
ThatMedicIsASpy 2 hours ago
My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel.
But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.
microtonal an hour ago
fsfasfd an hour ago
drnick1 43 minutes ago
dengolius 2 hours ago
I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.
ttkari 2 hours ago
ndiddy an hour ago
dijit 2 hours ago
g-b-r an hour ago
mrbn100ful 2 hours ago
They are (slowly) releasing more and more components
https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468...
https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/
https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera
It's still more open than AOSP
bri3d 2 hours ago
> It's still more open than AOSP
I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services.
One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.
mrbn100ful an hour ago
dadoum an hour ago
singpolyma3 2 hours ago
I think you mean less. Since AOSP is fully open?
samtp 4 minutes ago
Their branding & website looks like a generic fake shop that was created in 30 mins for testing or scamming
CiTyBear 2 hours ago
Personal experience with Jolla: I bought their first mobile (still have it somewhere) that would be a "Linux Phone that run android app". Wanted to support it and was ready to expect some bugs but it did not work all. No support at all, most of android app did not work. The OS was not finished that it was already obsolete. And now there are doing it again like the first one never existed. I have zero trust in this company
aivisol a minute ago
I was about to write the same. I even had a chance to meet their then CTO at their booth in WMC in Barcelona and complain in person but well …
poetaster 2 hours ago
I still have my first Jolla from 2016. Still works and got updates till 2 years ago. The android stuff I used was minimal but worked fine except for bluetooth and nfc. I build my own mostly.
derdi 29 minutes ago
I still have my first Jolla from 2014, I used it until... 2022-ish? My main gripe was that RAM was limited, the OOM killer killed my browser way too often while I was actively using it. I didn't use too much Android stuff, but as far as I remember it mostly worked. I'd expect this new one to work just fine.
The thing that sounds really fishy is the "User configurable physical Privacy Switch". If you can configure it in software (how else?), then it's software-defined. If it's software-defined, then it's not physical.
alcasa 41 minutes ago
I used it as a daily driver back in 2014/15 and it worked ok from what I remember.
boesboes 2 hours ago
Careful with preordering, they seem to ignore requests to cancel & the community is rather hostile to any form of criticism
zuzululu an hour ago
thanks for this. as soon as I realized it was a European company I already had some doubts going in. Won't be ordering.
mihular an hour ago
Wait, what? What is wrong with European companies by default?
woah an hour ago
ktosobcy an hour ago
butz 8 minutes ago
Who designed such ridiculous camera bump? It would be a really nice device, if only it had a flat backside.
utopiah an hour ago
Went from iPhone (with PostMarketOS on PinePhones as tests) to /e/OS on a CMF Nothing installed by Murena to GrapheneOS on 2nd hand Pixel 8.
I'm not advocating any of those specifically but I do recommend you take whatever step you are comfortable with to a saner mobile technology lifestyle.
IMHO it's a worthwhile learning journey that is probably less challenging and more empowering than you can imagine.
microtonal an hour ago
For those who do not have the funds for anything else, its worth looking into uad-ng:
https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-an...
E.g. on most Samsung phones you can uninstall (from the user partition): third-party Meta/Microsoft/etc. apps, the McAfee app scanner that not enabled by default, Gemini, Bixbee, most Google apps, most Samsung apps, some analytics services. You can make a pretty vanilla phone with just OneUI.
That said, best is to grab a Pixel, the only phone with an unlockable bootloader that also has modern device security (separate security processor, MTE, etc.). Installing GrapheneOS gives you a very pristine and quiet OS, while still providing great compatibility through sandboxed Google Play Services.
Also the only OS that provides Android 17 now, besides Pixel OS (and obviously betas like the OneUI 9 beta).
seviu 17 minutes ago
I ordered two in the September batch, which was way less expensive.
Jolla phones are fine. I have friends who use it every day. Happy to support them all the best I can.
—— Sent from my iPhone 17 Pro
qurren 24 minutes ago
> European alternative
What about the regulatory side where all of Europe is starting to require stock Android or iOS to even have an ID card?
ktosobcy an hour ago
I got first Jolla Phone ages ago, wanted to love it but in the end I disliked it bebause of gesture-oriented UI (it simply didn't 'click' for me and was annoying to use in the long run).
Right now I'm more excited about PostmarketOS which seems to be more vanilla Linux with more approachable UI…
RomanPushkin an hour ago
750 USD? I like the idea. And appreciate all the people who support such products, so phones are getting cheaper. But no way I'm getting it for over $150. It looks really cheap, and the marketing is bad, honestly. I think these corporations have spoiled me, and I was really looking for huuuuge wow effect for $750, but it's just a Linux phone.
bilekas 2 hours ago
I like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.
poetaster an hour ago
2FA is not an issue. Many, but not all banking apps work fine. I have an android phone for 3 apps which I need about once a month. Daily driving a linux phone since 2016.
Uncle_Brumpus 37 minutes ago
I get all my 2FA through SMS or a Yubikey. It took a bit of wrangling from corporate IT, but it was "Get my yubikey or SMS working or buy me a company phone and pay for service that I won't use for anything else"
I never really did a lot of banking on my phone before, but it really wasn't that hard to let that go. I'd say the biggest hangup is not having Venmo or something for splitting bills with friends, yard-sales, etc, but I've started carrying some amount of cash again for those instances and it's worked out alright.
Been daily driving a dumbphone since 2023. Yes it takes a bit of work, but it's so SO worth it.
axelthegerman 2 hours ago
Unfortunately for the foreseeable future you'd need a cheap Android or iOS device for those apps and whatever you want as daily driver.
I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards.
2FA should be easily available on any OS
microtonal an hour ago
I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards.
That's an overgeneralization. In many countries online payments require approval through a smartphone. There are also banks that barely have a mobile banking website (e.g. Bunq last time I had it).
bilekas 39 minutes ago
pimterry 2 hours ago
There's a compatibility list at https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa....
I think the challenges here exist but the reality is overblown to be honest, the vast majority of banking apps (everything that isn't struck through in that list) work just fine.
Fully agree the concern is discouraging adoption though. I would love to see more of a solution here, it seems like purely anti-competitive behaviour by Android that will block competitors emerging.
erikvanoosten 2 hours ago
Perhaps my bank is special (Triodos), its app works just fine on the Jolla.
mrbluecoat an hour ago
Ship to the US with GrapheneOS and I'll be first in line :)
cassianoleal 2 hours ago
Have they unlocked the bootloader? Can I install a different OS on it?
xandrius 2 hours ago
I hope Ubuntu Touch has native support for this, as it's a great OS with massive potential and active community.
tombert 16 minutes ago
I really wanted the official Ubuntu phone to catch on. I gave to the IndieGoGo for it but sadly it wasn't funded, so I installed Ubuntu mobile on a different old phone (a OnePlus One I think?) like a decade ago.
I thought it was very cool. It felt a lot more like a "computer that I could use as a smartphone" than a "smartphone with some computer stuff". I thought the interface was clean and nice and it was fun to hack on.
I really should buy a compatible phone and play with it again...I'm sure they've done a lot of work on it.
itomato 2 hours ago
If this Sailfish phone is 700 and Commodore's is 500, I know which Sailfish device I can pay attention to.
wasting_time an hour ago
What do you mean?
gitowiec 42 minutes ago
Why so expensive :(
dengolius 2 hours ago
Does anyone know when they'll sell their company and product to russia again?
badgersnake an hour ago
They will sell in Russia when it’s legal to do so, just like every other company.
zuzululu an hour ago
Are you talking about European companies? There are already many companies in Russia doing extremely well like Korean and Japanese companies
badgersnake an hour ago
Ylpertnodi 2 hours ago
After they make Zelensky pres.
AndrewKemendo 28 minutes ago
Is there anybody out there making a thin client device that runs almost everything remotely?
Basically a screen, battery and LTE chip with microSD storage for times
The way most people use phones are functionally useless without internet, so thats already a critical requirement and having the “phone” part of it you can do with 5c of hardware and free software.
imzadi 2 hours ago
I hope it eats you if you don't wear your Christmas clothes
WarmWash 2 hours ago
What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?
embedding-shape 2 hours ago
Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.
dghlsakjg 2 hours ago
Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition.
Pick and place PCB assembly is very different from the final assembly of batteries in terms of who is capturing value and building a reasonable moat. Their sales angle is around European autonomy.
Low wage workers putting batteries in phones is not that, but PCB assembly is much closer to that.
numpad0 2 hours ago
SoftTalker 2 hours ago
nticompass 2 hours ago
I read it as "how much is actually assembled in Finland versus arriving pre-assembled?"
ttkari 2 hours ago
Probably things like fixing the mainboards to the casing, putting in batteries, back covers, flashing the software, running hw tests, packaging etc.
john_strinlai 2 hours ago
the pieces of the phone are put together in the country of finland
nticompass 2 hours ago
Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
scoot 2 hours ago
tchalla 2 hours ago
sourcegrift 2 hours ago
Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for.
In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.
drnick1 an hour ago
> Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft.
You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.
Artoooooor 2 hours ago
Another almost good phone without a mini jack :( User-replaceable battery, SD card port, mini jack, touchscreen that works consistently. Do I really ask for that much?
poetaster an hour ago
I'm also a bit dissapointed by that, but the community sponsored me a phone and I've been testing usb dongles. They're actually surprisingly good for no money. I think if I was a daily phones user I would probably be using bt.
Marciplan 2 hours ago
why this over Fairphone?
poetaster 2 hours ago
Mal, from Jolla has ports to from the 2 till the 5, I believe. I used an FP2 for about a year. Big difference is andoid app support, not present on the fp ohones.
nicman23 2 hours ago
> 99€ down payment to lock your October delivery
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spaqin 2 hours ago
I still can't take a device with a mid-range Mediatek seriously. Probably from my XDA days, where just its presence meant locked bootloaders and no kernel sources.
Congrats on selling them but "assembled in EU" can't be the main selling point.