We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky (waag.org)

91 points by dotcoma 3 hours ago

pelagicAustral 2 hours ago

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into something cool sounding like Sovereign Re-orchestration Professional, or Reacquisition Specialist... Data Nationalisation Champion

dotcoma 2 hours ago

SDS, Sovereign Data Specialist ;)

sph an hour ago

Joking aside, there is a lot of contract work to help EU quasi-governative entities to move off US clouds. I have been on contract for the last 18 months to recreate some functionality of AWS on top of OVH for a client adjacent to the European Space Agency.

The catch is that being government contract you, the guy doing the actual work, are beneath three or four layers of companies and bureaucracy and you get over engineered yet somehow too vague specs and projects that take 6 months just to get approved. But hey, the pay is good, and it’s for one of the better causes.

My other EU client, a much smaller non-tech company for whom I host their servers, has recently wanted to know if we depend on any US services, to reduce their exposure.

I believe you can get decent work just by advertising yourself as an expert in migrating code and data out of the US.

That said, the job and economy situation is a big question mark and appetite to invest has lessened dramatically so YMMV

alex1138 35 minutes ago

Tim Berners Lee has Solid

IndySun 20 minutes ago

I like his vision. Can you recommend a pod? The UK based Solid Community ones (and others, apparently) are 'experimental'.

"To use this system, you must understand that we cannot make any guarantees regarding the security and privacy of data that you may store in a solidcommunity.net Solid pod, or concerning the system's functionality and availability."

busterarm 2 hours ago

I do this at significant scale and you need a high tolerance for a lot of different negatives to last doing it for governments (and adjacent).

The only exception to this rule I would say is AWS GovCloud, which also might be one of the only chill teams to work at across Amazon. It turns out having "only one way to do it", a system proved through a rigorous vetting process and a thoroughly worked-through contracting process leads to a pretty fantastic work environment for practitioners.

Trying to reimplement that piecemeal is for tougher men than me though. I think I'd rather sit on hot nails.

toomuchtodo 2 hours ago

Cloud repatriation engineer, infra sovereignty strategist. Are sysadmins back? Too early to tell imho.

https://xkcd.com/705/

dotcoma 2 hours ago

You win. Cloud repatriation engineer.

caycep an hour ago

Better job titles than any AI CEO could come up with!

goody71 2 hours ago

So the "news" here is they're hosting their own PDS? I think that was the main point of Atmosphere and Bluesky was just a popular gateway to get people into it.

Unless I'm missing something else...

skybrian 2 hours ago

That's the plan, but to get to actual decentralization, one of the steps is for more people to actually move their PDS's somewhere other than Bluesky.

(They are not self-hosting; Eurosky is doing it.)

kevinak an hour ago

You won’t have decentralisation on Atproto because the protocol itself incentivises centralisation.

tancop 43 minutes ago

dotcoma 2 hours ago

But... if Waag are not self-hosting, and they're not, how likely is it that normal people will start doing so in relatively large numbers?

steveklabnik 2 hours ago

skybrian 2 hours ago

jacobgold 2 hours ago

This is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this.

But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea:

> "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model."

Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was largely built by VC-backed companies.

The most important open source project, Linux, is funded by major tech companies through the Linux Foundation, with $311 million last year.

Corporate incentives do create conflicts, so it makes sense to be paranoid and skeptical. But the idea that companies can't contribute to open and decentralized systems is exactly the wrong lesson to learn.

We want more VC-backed startups working on open social networks and protocols. It would be great if many of them were in Europe.

khurs an hour ago

>Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was largely built by VC-backed companies.

The poor need the rich to start a company as banks are prevented (by the rich) from lending to them.

The rich like VC as it's a tax write-off, they invest in VCs and get even more richer.

Most startups fail, the VC's investors get any leftovers and poor founder walks off empty.

>What about when things go wrong?

In general, if you lose money on an investment, you can offset that “capital loss” against a capital gain you have from something else.

https://www.venturesouth.vc/write-offs

fsckboy 26 minutes ago

>The poor need the rich to start a company as banks are prevented (by the rich) from lending to them.

no. the banks hold the poor's money, and it needs to do so without risk because the poor need their money. lending money to start companies that are completly unsecured is too risky for banks, they lend money to buy houses which is secured debt.

dotcoma 2 hours ago

> the internet, DNS, email, and the web were largely built by VC-backed companies

Really ?

jacobgold 2 hours ago

There were famously government and university programs that played important early roles too. But it was largely people working for companies that actually built these systems.

What organizations do you think created the switches, routers, servers, software, fiber optic backbones? Who created the new protocols?

It was companies like AT&T/Bell Labs, Cisco, 3Com, Sun, UUNET, Netscape, AOL, the major telecoms, and a thousand other companies we don't remember.

Something like 1% inspiration from academia and government, and 99% perspiration by people working inside companies.

Munksgaard an hour ago

rafterydj an hour ago

Yeah that raised my eyebrow as well. "Popularized" maybe, but "largely built" I think is a mis-characterization.

jacobgold an hour ago

JdeBP an hour ago

I am sure that DARPA, BBN, USC Information Sciences Institute, and many others will be overjoyed to learn that they've been erased from history by the new narrative that Venture Capitalists Built Everything. (-:

jacobgold an hour ago

jrm4 2 hours ago

And what does this do safety/privacy-wise?

Nothing, except make it more available.

This is why I often argue against (or at least want to point out the dangers of) the ATProto/Bluesky model.

It's an absolute boon for people who want heavy surveillance, government or otherwise.

The looseness and "unreliability" of protocols like Mastodon ironically make them safer.

skybrian 2 hours ago

Yes, AT proto is about making data available to the public via replication. There's no privacy at all, but it's useful for some things. Hacker News comments don't have any privacy either.

There's another protocol in the works that should be useful for syncing private data:

https://github.com/bluesky-social/proposals/pull/94

palata an hour ago

I am genuinely confused. Isn't the point of public social media to be... public? Or do you use BlueSky to talk to your friends, instead of Signal?

curtisblaine an hour ago

Honest question: Bluesky was touted as the next distributed, uncensorable, truly-free social network, but in practice I see all posts from right-of center users obscured, much more than old Twitter or, in practice, any other social network (look at the Babylon Bee account, which is a satirical website leaning to the right, censored to oblivion: https://bsky.app/profile/realbabylonbee.bsky.social). Will Eurosky be the same? If yes, why ATProto is "cool" if, in practice, the social networks built upon it are the most sectarian places on the Internet?

ajs1998 39 minutes ago

They made a transphobic joke 3 times and the bluesky users that enabled their intolerance filter never saw it. What exactly is the problem? The posts weren't deleted. Nobody liked the joke because it's a bad joke.

kypro 15 minutes ago

I don't use bluesky, but out of interest is this "intolerance" filter effectively a political filter, or an actual "intolerance" filter?

Like if someone is talking about "white fragility" and being intolerant towards white people, or being xenophobic about American culture, would that be likely to result in them being flagged for intolerance also?

Asking because while I don't mind the concept, I find in practice most of the time platforms add these filters and rules as a way to enforce ideological consensus.

martythemaniak 3 minutes ago

cptroot an hour ago

You might want to answer two questions before we start this discussion:

1. "Censored" by whom, and for whom?

2. "Censored" for which "right of center" views?

P.S. I should also mention that I can see the posts on that account, even if they all have flags for intolerance by the default moderation service (a service you can opt out of by the way).

curtisblaine an hour ago

"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your moderation, you optionally integrate with other instances. Mastodon itself is used, in practice, to moderate a highly diverse ecosystem of social networks, from the gay-friendly ones to Gab. Nostr, although it's not so widely used, is even more tailored against sectarism by default.

From what I see, Bsky is a single instance of one of the most politically aligned social media in existence; in practice, you can achieve that with any proprietary implementation, you don't need ATProto. I honestly thought that the protocol was engineered to prevent an echo chamber, but in reality it powers an enormous standalone echo chamber that is not moving anywhere, so I was wondering what's the difference.

forgotaccount3 an hour ago

curtisblaine an hour ago

phillipcarter an hour ago

rsynnott 28 minutes ago

What do you mean by ‘obscured’ here? Bluesky users can voluntarily sign up to blocklists (as could Twitter users before Melon broke the API, though they were never a first class feature there). But they’re not _mandatory_?

Like, if you want to consume tedious transphobic ‘jokes’ on bsky, you can. Personally, I’m kind of bored of their one joke, and opt not to.

1234letshaveatw 13 minutes ago

'One' joke? It's a satirical website, even a cursory check shows that your tally is off base

burtness an hour ago

Right-wingers are so reliably sore winners. X is still comfortably the dominant microblogging platform on the internet, Facebook and Youtube happily boost and feed right-wing content and concerns. Tiktok has been brought to heel. ATproto hasn't found a way to encode communism - just like activitypub could be used for Truth Social - the ATmosphere will turn right once the ecosystem is in anyway relevant politically or commercially. But you could always start quatrechan while we wait

curtisblaine an hour ago

My question was in good faith tbh; I see other protocols (Mastodon, nostr) not being really commercially relevant but being much more politically diverse than bsky. I was wondering why is that - is something inherent to the protocol (e.g. I heard that it's extremely hard to set up your "alternative bsky" if you don't have resources, unlike Mastodon instances, so you're not really incentivized to just do it and see how it goes) or is it just bad luck?

rsynnott 19 minutes ago

stvltvs 11 minutes ago

impulser_ 2 hours ago

> "Since Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter, we have been missing a digital village square where public debate can take place in (relative) safety."

The ironic thing is Twitter is actually the square of public debate and Bluesky is just a echo chamber just like Reddit. Just try having a debate on these platforms. You will literally get banned, your post deleted or muted.

macintux 2 hours ago

Banned from Twitter for a 2-word response:

https://bsky.app/profile/gilduran.com/post/3mky5taqg3222

Plus news organizations are punished for including links in their content.

https://www.niemanlab.org/2026/04/do-links-hurt-news-publish...

nailer 18 minutes ago

I’m not entirely sure if believe a person that writes about “the USAID cuts, which I call a ‘Silicon Valley Genocide’ in my book.” about the specific reason they were banned from X, given how many anti capitalism, left, radical Islamic and even pro Hamas accounts happily exist on the platform.

Threatening violence? Yes you’ll get banned. Being awful? Nobody cares.

Angostura 2 hours ago

You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

impulser_ 5 minutes ago

I don't mean banned from the site Reddit, I mean banned from subreddits. Go into /r/politics and post an opinion that not far left.

nonethewiser 9 minutes ago

>You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded.

Not really. You can be banned for stating that transgender people are not the gender they identify as. They consider it “promoting hate based on identity.”

Might you get banned on bluesky for saying that?

nosioptar 21 minutes ago

Not really.

Few years ago, I replied to a comment asking if a crime in a news story was punishable by death. I replied that yes, the law allowed the death penalty and linked the law in the state where the crime happened. (I also added a parenthetical that I oppose the death penalty.)

I got a two week ban for inciting violence.

I imagine some automod type of tool flagged my comment, no human could have been stupid enough to think I was inciting violence.

nonethewiser 8 minutes ago

alex1138 40 minutes ago

You really don't

busterarm an hour ago

You're proposing a fiction that there is functionally any difference. Migrating a subreddit is a large community effort and rarely if ever happens over just one ban.

If you're banned from a subreddit for X, which famously happens for often the thinnest of reasonings, you're effectively out of the online community around X. For some subreddits this even has real-world implications. You don't have to be the least bit spicy to do this. Often you just have to have commented (at all) in a different subreddit that a mod doesn't like.

aravpanwar an hour ago

nailer an hour ago

> You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit

I was banned from Reddit for saying that a (well recognised as terrorists) terrorist group should be destroyed. That is a fairly mainstream opinion.

Other people are banned from Reddit for disagreeing with trans ideology to the same extent as today's supreme court decision. The court decision isn't particularly surprising and neither is people saying the same thing on Reddit.

nonethewiser 7 minutes ago

qwerpy an hour ago

I got banned from my local subreddit for saying “as an Asian we actually tend to like cars from this brand” in a politically charged post about a certain car brand. Didn’t seem very spicy to me. “If you support this brand you’re supporting Nazis” was allowed and upvoted, of course.

On the bright side that was the impetus for me to finally stop giving my valuable attention to that site.

phillipcarter an hour ago

add-sub-mul-div 2 hours ago

Twitter is the eternal September. The other places populated by the few who were discerning enough to leave are just normal online communities like we used to have before they reached internet culture war scale.

Elidrake24 2 hours ago

...As opposed to Twitter where I was banned for expressing an opinion that wasn't in line with the site owner's personal opinions. At least with Bluesky, you can opt out of their moderation.

zuzululu an hour ago

Did your opinion call for the use of violence ? That is a no go zone.

zuzululu an hour ago

Bluesky is also where you had people cheering for the assassination of federal agents and hosting CSAM material ?

When I hear someone uses bluesky a lot, I cant help but feel suspicious of them

femiagbabiaka an hour ago

Twitter? The CSAM and Nazi propaganda app?