The Family Keeping Watch over a 52-Year-Old Pot of Soup (wsj.com)
53 points by petethomas 7 days ago
hintymad a minute ago
Wouldn't toxics like nitrites accumulate over the years? Also, I'd assume the purpose of perpetual soup is to concentrate the aroma and the taste, but is there going to be a diminishing return?
ilamont 2 hours ago
Many years ago I saw a Japanese TV program that explored the food of southern Taiwan and one of the stops was a restaurant that had a 106-year old vat of broth. It was tall and narrow and had a giant hump of crust on one side.
If it's still open, it would be going for 130+ years at this point.
ETA: Found it. Established 1895, the year Taiwan was annexed by Japan. It's not soup, it's a meat sauce (滷肉) used on a noodle dish. Scroll down to the middle of the page, which shows the chef with the pot in front of him.
pphysch 2 hours ago
Cool. The pot is surprisingly small. Is the sauce in it highly concentrated or something?
ilamont an hour ago
Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles.
The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the chef or shop.
abeppu 40 minutes ago
I think there is an optimization question buried here. In tech lots of people have experience with A/B tests, which function on the assumption that you have a stream of fresh sessions which are independent. Multi-armed bandits, Thompson sampling etc give us frameworks for generalizing this towards finding the best option among a finite set of candidates, if goodness is fixed over time. This is kinda the opposite end of a spectrum: you get to run one policy at a time and the whole premise is that goodness is heavily state dependent. How do you decide whether to keep going with your current policy vs when to start over with another?
Sure, the soup is good ... but is it the best they could have after 52 years? By committing to maintaining one pot for so long, they pay the opportunity cost of not being able to explore related long-lived methods. If there's a different recipe that surpasses this one after only one year of simmering, they'll never find it.
At first I thought this might be related to the secretary problem, but of course if after 50 years of recipe B, you have the option of switching back to recipe A if it's better.
tonyedgecombe 3 hours ago
Perpetual stew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_stew
lithocarpus 40 minutes ago
I've gone without a fridge for 8 years now and do something kind of like this usually - I'll cook a pot of food and then steam or boil it again after ~24 hours to reset the clock on it rotting. It's handy for things like eating a whole chicken or other large soup. I switch between being home and on the road a lot so my pot just comes with me and can be re-cooked on my car stove or my home stove. I tend to cook or re-heat once a day. Ideally I'd rather be sharing freshly prepared food with other people every meal and I do that when I can, but this works for when I'm feeding myself alone - cheaper and easier than any other approach.
x______________ 2 hours ago
One of the speculations as to how life was created on this planet: stable environments hosting hydrothermal vents over long periods of time.
Could perpetual stews over decades act in the same manner?
actionfromafar 2 hours ago
Maybe! Let's try it in a sterile environment, a few million of such stews over a few millions of years.
kameit00 4 hours ago
julianlam an hour ago
Forever soup isn't new, of course.
Poor families do it to cheaply make long lasting meals.
My late maternal grandmother used to have a pot of forever soup on the stove, and she would put whatever she had on hand in.
Spare ribs, check. Leftover veg, check. McDonalds fries, gross, but check.
zdragnar an hour ago
One of my grandfather's favorite jokes whenever we visited was to yell across the house that guests had arrived, and to add some more water to the soup.
Of course, my grandmother was a farmer all her life before I was born, so she was always making far too much food (nobody ever left hungry was a mark of pride) but it took some growing up before I really contemplated the kind of life that joke would have come from.
And yes, always had soup going.
thesuitonym 2 hours ago
cultofmetatron 4 hours ago
I'm currently in bangkok atm. where can I go try this soup?
Alien1Being 4 hours ago
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d87...
Actual customer reviews are less gushing than the WSJ article....
embedding-shape 4 hours ago
Long time since reviews on the internet mattered one squat. Reviews can be because of everything from a jealus competitor, the platform asking the restaurant to pay to unblock favorable reviews/remove unfavorable ones, doing the opposite when you don't pay, or simple a bunch of people who basically fill the web with junk.
More often than not I have a great experience in restaurants with 2-3 out of 5 in ratings, and shit experiences with restaurants with 4-5/5 ratings, I've simply stopped reading reviews at all, anything with numbers on the internet is basically fuddled with nowadays.
voakbasda 4 hours ago
flir 3 hours ago
tedeh 4 hours ago
Its on Ekkamai rd, "Wattana Panich"
spelk 2 hours ago
This was something I was genuinely excited to try while in Bangkok, took a Grab across town to make it happen, but it was it is honestly not good, the Google reviews seem to coincide with the consensus that while the concept is cool, the execution isn't and it tastes very meh.
I do wonder if there’s some pluralistic ignorance going on, where travelers convince themselves it must be amazing because everyone else seems to think so.
It didn't give off the vibe of years of collected flavors; it was a thin broth and it didn't taste like much else other than beef broth from a fancy instant noodle packet and a ton of MSG (and to be clear, I'm normally a proponent of MSG but it genuinely was overdone here).
Maybe it really is just the volume that they're going through that's affecting the taste and composition, because they were doing decent business, but this was the biggest disappointment on my short visit to Bangkok.
abdullahkhalids an hour ago
I wouldn't expect this to be better tasting than a regular soup/stew. If you keep eating it, new stuff added today has been almost completely consumed in a week.
I would eat it out of respect for the craft and the values that are being preserved.
Brendinooo an hour ago
Seems reasonable to conclude that people might do it to say that they did it, for the same sort of reasons why one might get a warm pint in a run-down, cramped, 500-year-old pub instead of a cold pint at a newly-opened, comfortable pub
rkozik1989 3 hours ago
Is this like how Italian families sometimes a forever pot of tomato sauce continuously on a low heat on their stoves?
pif 2 hours ago
This Italian here has never heard nothing like that. Tomato sauce can be simmered for several hours, but there is no refill.
ch4s3 3 hours ago
I've never heard of anyone doing this among any Italian Americans I know. Is this something you've seen first hand?
tuvix 2 hours ago
Haven’t heard of forever sauce but my family makes sauce by cooking it pretty much all day. If we ate it every day then yeah we might as well keep a pot on the stove all the time
ch4s3 2 hours ago
guessmyname 3 hours ago
Why Italian Americans instead of just normal Italian? Aren’t Italian Americans just regular Italians? Or are you asking about the customs of Americanized Italian families or people who were born and raised in America but with Italian ancestry?
ch4s3 3 hours ago
BenjiWiebe 3 hours ago
toast0 2 hours ago
ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago
bescob_ar 3 hours ago
I've seen this done for a few years (2-3?) but only in a crockpot sized container, honestly still tasted alright. Not sure I'd have a full bowl of stew 52 but seems [great] for fermenty-salty dipping sauce like saltwater.
manoDev 4 hours ago
The grime around the pot convinced me they’re telling the truth about 52 years :)
stronglikedan 3 hours ago
> The grime
Oh, you mean the flavoring!
feverzsj 3 hours ago
*52 years concentrated heavy metal soup.
polishdude20 2 hours ago
Why concentrated?
andrewstuart 3 hours ago
Disgusting.