EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application (environment.ec.europa.eu)

256 points by robtherobber 8 hours ago

radu_floricica 5 hours ago

> To prevent misuse, businesses relying on these exemptions must provide proof (e.g. documents or test results) and publish annual reports on what they have discarded.

I wonder if anybody is keeping track of everything a mid size business needs to take care of. Each particular report probably sounds like a reasonable request, but by now they're probably well into hundreds, and they're all outside the actual scope of the business (e.g. it may seem manageable for the bureaucrats designing them, because that's what they deal with all day, but not for a small organization doing... something else).

athrowaway3z 4 hours ago

I'm not sure your complaint works in this case.

You only write a report if you want the exemption.

The hypothetical business you're imaging shouldn't be looking for an exemption.

The law's effect on small business is conceptually not too different from eg laws against dumping toxic sludge.

ablob 27 minutes ago

You have to deal with this no matter what unless you can live with wasting storage space. You have to arrange extra sales or try and donate stuff (basically, go through all possible options that exclude it from being exempted) if you want to get rid of an item. Your estimates on sales count need to be pretty spot on to keep that low. Donations are still taxable where I live, by the way, so all that shenanigans is added too. It's not just about the report itself. You can't get rid of products not valuable enough to keep around without adapting your whole business model. Even if you are _not_ looking for an exemption, you will have to accommodate.

No one bothered to make any of the other options easier, only the previously simplest option was barred behind trying everything else. This is what over-bureaucratization looks like.

To use a different example: No one wants to switch to public transport (which is already crowded anyway)? No problem, just ban driving unless you can prove that it's orders of magnitude faster and it's not feasible to move your residence. No further preparation is done; no thought goes beyond the horizon. "Eat this rule and deal with it, you don't have to deal with the paperwork if you're willing to spend 2 hours more on commuting". That's the line of thought here. There are no plans to make it actually viable to use the train, the other options are just barred behind this veil of plausible optionality. You can do it, of course. The issue arises from doing this with literally anything you tackle.

You essentially only add rules and special cases without ever consolidating them or even considering possible impact on adjacent topics. Everything grinds to a halt by doing this and nothing ever gets simplified. It is a huge issue on a landscape that favored small businesses (that can't afford divisions dealing with this) when the way the law is written suddenly requires structures only big companies or consultancies can provide. It entombs the market structure and drowns any competition in regulatory capture. We haven't even seen what happens once the markets are dominated by oligopolies and monopolies. By that time the only way to deal with the fall out will be even more rules, as the competitive landscape will already be dead.

I'm not against the goal of this regulation, but the recent way the rules have been made favor a market structure I consider incompatible with the goals of the EU.

no-name-here 4 hours ago

Per the OP article, this only affects large businesses (and medium businesses after a period of years).

isodev an hour ago

As a mid sized business in touch with other mid-sized businesses - the burden you speak of doesn't exist. If you read the directive and others like it carefully, you will find they’re well integrated into reporting you already do. Each member state also adapts these to best fit their local legislation.

altairprime 4 hours ago

At minimum, any medium business will be tracking disposal costs in its accounting books; the EU rule effectively taxes disposal by imposing regulatory processes upon it, so the net cost of disposal will increase to reflect the paper trail costs. The phased-in ‘large first, medium next’ started a while ago, giving mediums about twice as long (iirc?) to prepare for compliance as larges. One of the more predictable outcomes is that retailers will need to inspect and classify their completed-product waste streams, rather than simply dump every return bucket into the trash. Retailers are expected to do everything in their power to reduce the total volume of material inspected in order to increase profits, which in concert with stricter return regulations already in place, will force them to do various things.

Small retailers that process returns by taking the item out of the envelope, studying it, and then putting it back up for sale (either at full or reduced price, depending on new or cosmetic defect) will be entirely unaffected because their production costs vastly exceed their return inspection costs and they’ve been recording ‘sellable’ vs ‘worn’ vs ‘cosmetic defect’ somewhere this whole time anyways (or else they’d collapse even without these regulations!), and medium businesses will likely find their profits temporarily reduced — but since they were disposing of sellable products to begin with, they can either sell them to recover profits, donate them to reduce taxes, or accept the fractional inspection charge against profits and continue as-is.

Some possibilities: Reduce production defects (slower production/qa times), return rate), Reduce size variability (slower production/qa times), Improve fabric quality (higher production costs, lower future sales), Provide more detailed sizing charts (higher sales cost, lower return rates), Provide more consistent sizing (eg. band size 85 is not 80-90cm between different models and different brands), Reduce production batch sizes (less waste, more shipping costs), Reduce overseas manufacturing (higher cost production, lower cost/time shipping), Sell entire batches until sold out (increased inventory costs, maintains brand wealth-image), Donate wearable clothing to charity (tax deductions, goodwill), Switch from overseas large-batch production to domestic JIT (reduces inventory of never-sold products to zero), and so on.

mnewme 3 hours ago

This whole story that Europe suffers from overregulation is just in parts true, and mainly lazy thinking.

In fact there was a study by an American law school that came to the conclusion that the US has more bureaucracy than many European countries…

Recommended read: https://www.andybudd.com/archives/2026/04/the-lazy-myth-that...

cbmuser 3 hours ago

You haven’t dealt with German bureaucracy then.

altairprime 3 hours ago

oblio 3 hours ago

SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago

I don't really find this article persuasive. To pick out a good example of why:

> The debate around chlorinated chicken was never really just about chicken. It became a symbol of something larger: the fear that “market access” would become a polite way of saying, “please lower your food and safety standards so our companies can sell more easily into your market.” You can dismiss that as protectionism if you like. From a European perspective, it often looks like defending standards that citizens broadly trust.

Chemical washing of chicken is a safe and effective way to reduce pathogens. European food agencies agree that it's safe and effective, there's really no dispute about this, and in the US that's the end of the regulatory story. But in Europe the regulators see it as their job to consider esoteric second order effects: if we make it too easy to clean your chicken meat, might that cause you to underinvest in efforts to keep pathogens from getting there in the first place? It might, and the status quo achieves acceptably low rates of foodborne illness, so there's no need to permit innovations in chicken processing.

It's true, I would concede, that regulatory agencies requiring businesses to do stuff in a way that citizens consider normal will produce strong standards that citizens broadly trust.

mnewme 11 minutes ago

Danox 2 hours ago

TitaRusell an hour ago

Mandatory testosterone testing!

At the end of the day people want to impose their morality on on others. Whether it is crazy Christians or leftist eco warriors- don't let them take away your freedom. Keep on buying shit from China.

embedding-shape 4 hours ago

> but not for a small organization doing... something else

But for you to do your "small organization", shouldn't you be required to have to consider the environment around you?

A bar of course doesn't want to care about the noise the patrons do on the terrace for example, but because we live in the world with other people, they do have to care about this, even if it's "something else" than what they want to do.

Or data centers as another (maybe more contemporary) example, where sometimes they have things that needs to be disposed of in a certain way. Yes, the data center operators aren't in the business of "toxic waste management", but if you want to run a data center, you need to figure out how to deal with the byproducts.

I don't think clothing companies should somehow be magically excepted from having to care about others.

warumdarum 3 hours ago

Socialist micromanaging you say? You should see what those maniacs do with there farmers. The job has literally turned into bureaucrat who ocassionally works a field as hobby.

azan_ 3 hours ago

Well yes, farming in European Union is pretty much eu-funded hobby. For good reasons of course (food security etc), but if European protectionism and donations were gone, farmers would be much worse off.

preisschild 3 hours ago

Most of the EU budget goes to agricultural subsidies, the least we can expect of them is to keep their books orderly

outime 5 hours ago

The "regulation kills businesses" saying is often (not always) exactly right.

dinfinity 4 hours ago

Is it? What is the proof for that?

I think we've seen time and time again that self-regulation of the industry doesn't work and that businesses will gladly fuck over society if they can get away with it and make more money. Usually that behavior is even defended with saying "Well, it's not their responsibility to solve society's issues. They are there to make money."

Barring nationalization of an industry, heavy regulation and/or taxation/subsidizing are the only ways to reliably protect the interests of society. If some businesses get killed in the process, so be it.

cbmuser 3 hours ago

bananamogul 5 hours ago

"Companies may only destroy unsold clothes and shoes in limited cases, such as when items are unsafe or damaged, counterfeit or infringing intellectual property rights, or are rejected by charities or donation schemes."

Nike's unsold, defective, or returned shoes are ground up to make carpet padding. They're processed by the truckload in a large grinding machine.

It seems that under these rules, this would be illegal - ?

altairprime 5 hours ago

Yes, with the exception of ‘unsafe’ where a shoe is used and/or non-cosmetically defective.

The law reduces wasted production inputs — materials, energy, and labor — as well as production outputs — wearable shoes, here. This directly regulates a practice by brands where they destroy wearable clothing rather than see their latest branded fashion worn by people who bought it at a discount or received it for free. This also directly regulates corporations from using grinders, melters, incinerators, landfills, and overseas ‘recycling’ (=landfills) to replace warehouses with retailers, accelerate product cycle times and derive FOMO sales benefits without the cost of reducing their batch sizes. The apparel industry is destroying something like one third of what it produces, so it’s certainly earned regulation of its ‘this shall not be sold’ decisions to its disfavor.

I would expect Nike in the EU market to either increase product prices and/or decrease release intervals until their inventory supply is lowered to meet demand while claiming that it’s the EU’s fault that their hottest shoes aren’t yet available, rather than maintaining their existing cycle times and quantities by donating their wearable, branded, wealth-signaling shoes to be worn by poor people. (Perhaps that’s already begun?)

kelvinjps10 4 hours ago

Wouldn't they have to make discounts or sell it therefore lowering the price.

altairprime 4 hours ago

embedding-shape 5 hours ago

There is a lot more information about it here: https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/circular-economy/e..., and the full (current) text being here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...

As far as I can tell (although I'm no lawyer, sorry Nike), the point is to reduce waste and to increase recycled content in use. With these two main objectives, what Nike is doing seem to be fitting within that. It's not the "destruction" itself that is bad, but what you do with that after the destruction, recycling it doesn't create waste (or maybe, as much waste) as outright destroying+throwing all of it.

pfdietz 5 hours ago

What is considered recycling? Is convert the clothing into fuel pellets considered recycling? What about thermal decomposition for feedstocks for chemical manufacture (and what if 75% of the mass isn't useful for that and is instead burned in turbines for cogeneration)?

Down-cycling is a thing. Even aluminum and steel get down-cycled.

I have no sympathy for recycling fetishism.

embedding-shape 5 hours ago

sixhobbits an hour ago

This seems kinda backwards, as far as I know charities and donation schemes are overwhelmed by clothing donations. Our problem isn't that we are destroying clothes that could be used somewhere else, the problems are manufacturing low quality clothing that lasts 2-3 wears, and fast fashion where people buy clothing for a specific event.

If they want to achieve their goals they should be aiming for demand destruction on _new_ clothes, once the clothes are unwanted it's too late.

But seems better to somehow incentivize fabric recycling and higher quality clothes. Even expensive clothes fall apart these days.

jay_kyburz 25 minutes ago

I'm no expert, but I think the charities are overwhelmed it because very few people want secondhand clothes. They have a lot coming in and not much going out.

I hope this will result in lots of _new_ clothes being sold very cheaply in discount outlets.

vsviridov 2 hours ago

Create a holding company and register some trademarked design. Apply said design to the product. License the design to the manufacturer.

When the manufacturer wants to destroy unsold stock - revoke the license to the design. You can now fully legally destroy unsold stock for "violating ip rights"

LaundroMat 5 hours ago

Isn't that recycling instead of destroying?

Wicher 5 hours ago

Turning shoes into carpet padding is probably "downcycling". I think recycling would mean most of the shoe would be used for new shoes or something of similar complexity, retaining the grade and value of the input materials.

Downcycling is when you reuse something for a less refined purpose. For instance you can use contaminated plastics (im the sense of somewhat mixed types, bits and bobs of labels etc) to make humble park benches, but you won't be then reusing that low grade park bench plastic to make the Hubble space telescope with.

Still, downcycling into carpet is better than dumping the shoes on a coral atoll of course. Yet it's a step below recycling.

jjice 5 hours ago

I guess it comes down to if that is considered recycling. I'd personally consider it such, but not sure what the legal definitions will be.

sajithdilshan 5 hours ago

I’m pretty sure all those brands would now export those clothes to non-EU Balkan countries or even Turkey to be destroyed.

mattalex 3 hours ago

Why do you assume that the entire EU has brain damage and did not think of this _most obvious_ loophole? Sure the companies could commit crimes but if that is enough of a reason not to pass laws then we better start striking murder of the books as well.

The EU cannot control every avenue you might be sneaking products out for destruction. The goal is not to prevent all sort of destruction, just make it risky enough not to be worth it: Since it's illegal to do, you now have something to fear when you try to get away with your (now) crime.

ESPR regulates the entire placement of products, not only the destruction, e.g. the Digital Product Passport (DPP) which every product has to have (it's slowly being phased in over the coming decade) gives information about repairability, resource used, recyclability,... To do the exporting for destruction you would need to fake the entire paper trail of the product, committing countless numbers of document forgery.

In general the "you are not allowed to destroy unsold goods" part is arguably the small element of ESPR. ESPR also contains the right-to-repair legislation, where ESPR introduces requirements (or at the very least disclosure requirements) for - Design for durability - Availability of spare parts - Access to repair information - Software support obligations - Design for repairability / Restricting design practices intended to hinder repair

The "don't destroy working items" is just a one component of this. The more important component is the DPP which makes the product lifetime traceable.

vasco 35 minutes ago

Because it happens with other things like recycling rules for most trash? How many years of EU exporting trash to places without regulation now?

mikaeluman 5 hours ago

Indeed. Rather than deal with it, there will just be some shell company in non EU they can export to and have it destroyed there...

Though that will obviously incur a larger cost than today.

sajithdilshan 5 hours ago

Transportation would be costly, but it could be that in whole it would be much cheaper than discarding them in let’s say in Germany. I can imagine the price to destroy 1kg of clothes in Serbia way less than in Germany

b112 5 hours ago

earth-tattoo 4 hours ago

Or perpetually store it in an "open warehouse" where it rots over time.

izacus 5 hours ago

Sounds like a lot of extra work which will make this kind of behaviour less financially viable vs. just selling or overproducing it.

thefourthchime 4 hours ago

The EU is doing everything it can to fail. The only thing that seems to be coming out of the EU in the last 20 years is regulation. It seems to be its only invention and contribution to itself. They have no upper bounds on creativity when it comes to creating rules that disrupt business.

I can't tell if this is coming from jealousy or incompetence—or perhaps a combination of both. They see the rest of the world, especially the United States and China, getting richer and more advanced, and their response seems to be to shield themselves from it instead of competing.

Volkswagen in Germany is going to lay off 100,000 jobs and shutter plants. Half of the EU is recklessly in debt. And Germany is supposed to be the good country with the good economy.

cbg0 4 hours ago

You're arguing in favor of destroying unworn clothes instead of donating to charity or discounting them as somehow being good for business? The point of this is to control against wasteful business practices, not a ban on producing or selling clothes.

The EU is a $23 trillion economy, hardly a slouch even though it is underperforming.

The VW example is actually something you probably don't understand - they're failing because they're an inefficient business, not because of EU regulations or Germany not having a "good economy". Toyota produces almost twice as many vehicles per employee.

mattalex 2 hours ago

sajithdilshan 3 hours ago

NoImmatureAdHom 3 hours ago

gib444 3 hours ago

This is some top-tier bait

nieksand 6 hours ago

It seems like this policy would lead to shortages in less common sizes of clothing.

cbg0 3 hours ago

It can be made available online with a longer lead time if the manufacturers care enough about it. I guess it depends on whether the complexity is worth it, because if you're just selling cheap fast fashion then discounting/donating might still be worth it even if you produce excess, but more high-end brands probably won't stock uncommon sizes.

altairprime 3 hours ago

Yes, this will likely exacerbate that further in the short-term: if retailers simply stop producing outlier sizes to reduce disposal of those sizes, then various niches will open up. In US women’s flats, very few go up to size 12+ (it’s already higher-cost to make products in outlier sizes and most don’t!) and so the one retailer (agaik) that offers that size has 100% market share, and keeps an inventory warehouse of unsold product that is listed until it sells at up to 80% discounts after a year-plus on the shelf. Another handful of retailers specialize exclusively in women’s clothing for people XL and above, which allows them to profit equally as well from less-common sizes.

My hope, however, is that this reduces overseas manufacturing in favor of domestic, which would allow retailers to dramatically reduce the shipping costs for small production batches, so that they’re able to simply produce more small batches of less-common sizes in response to demand. Sure, they might see a few percent lower profits per item, but they’ll be able to sell considerably more of their product simply by raising their supply to meet demand with finer granularity than the cheaper ‘produce an entire season one-time only and store it in a cargo container’ model offers today.

4ndrewl 6 hours ago

The invisible hand of the market will rectify this of course. Nothing to see here.

mpyne 4 hours ago

The invisible hand of the market has been handcuffed a bit here though. Though I imagine this will simply show up as higher cost rather than blanket inavailability.

altairprime 3 hours ago

groundzeros2015 27 minutes ago

What do you mean? This is a case of a regulation distorting the markets ability to price and distribute goods.

leonidasrup 2 hours ago

The invisible hand of the market is already disabled by regulation, in this case trademark protection.

For example: if Nike is willing to destroy 100$ shoes, instead of selling them at 40$ discount, for brand protection, another shoemaker could try make identical shoes and sell them at discount. But the alternative shoemaker is not allowed to make identical shoes, this would infringe Nike trademark.

josephcsible 6 hours ago

How do you figure?

flowerbreeze 6 hours ago

It seems plausible. Less common sizes have a lower chance of being sold out, so if they can no longer be destroyed at the end and need to be further managed at lower quantities, it can become more cost effective to simply not make them. Whether it is true or not, I don't know.

palata 5 hours ago

ungreased0675 4 hours ago

toast0 6 hours ago

If your minimum run is 1000 of a size, and you can only really sell 500 because it's an uncommon size, and you would prefer to sell at full price or not at all, seems like making that size no longer fits your plans.

watermelon0 6 hours ago

thewebguyd 6 hours ago

josephcsible 5 hours ago

jandrewrogers 6 hours ago

Currently, unpopular sizes are over-produced because they are subsidized by popular sizes. If the unpopular sizes have to be paid for, the logistics and production processes would push producers to under-produce popular sizes.

A key insight is that what constitutes an "unpopular size" is a very local phenomenon. Every point of retail sells a different, semi-predictable distribution of sizes. It is much cheaper to ship sizes no one will buy than to manage the logistics of exactly matching local demand for a specific distribution of sizes.

I asked the same question to someone who works in this business and got an eye-opening detailed explanation that made it obvious in hindsight why things the work the way the do. The difference in product cost and logistics infrastructure was not small.

cm2012 6 hours ago

Normally you can overproduce clothing and make three of every size or something, knowing that it only costs a couple bucks to make another shirt, for instance. And you can throw out if you make too many. If it's illegal to throw it out, maybe that raises the price from $2 to $4 because now you have to pay for storage for a long time. So you'll buy less inventory at the start, which usually means cutting less common sizes first

Dylan16807 an hour ago

s1artibartfast 6 hours ago

It's really different depending on if the manufacturer has Brand reputation or is just a replaceable good. For no name jeans, they probably just keep making them and donate the leftovers.

For a high-end designer dress, may be better to not manufacture large or small sizes that don't sell frequently.

dash2 6 hours ago

I don’t understand why they would ban this rather than charge for it. It seems very likely that destroying unsold clothes is sometimes the socially efficient thing to do, even after taking into account the environmental externalities.

bulder 6 hours ago

Destroying unsold clothes is financially the most efficient thing to do. It remains unclear to me how taking actions to maintain higher markups on products would be socially efficient in any way. Companies of course can keep doing it, they just will face financial and legislative repercussions for it.

dash2 3 hours ago

If you can't sell clothes to anyone, then it may be more socially efficient to destroy them than (a) keep them in a warehouse or (b) ship them overseas. Both (a) and (b) can have substantial environmental costs. I don't think it should be hard to come up with other plausible cases. You're assuming there's only one reason companies do this. I don't deny that that's a possible reason. I also don't see why taxing that behaviour would not reduce it.

nairboon 2 hours ago

quotemstr 3 hours ago

How do you know the "social value" is real value if you ignore the market?

roysting 6 hours ago

That was my initial thought too; just make it a non-deductible charge, ideally, payable from executive compensation.

Or they could also just levy higher taxes/fees on synthetic fibers and clothing that cannot be repaired (there are several reasons), and at the same time support the industry for natural, truly biodegradable fibers and their research?

This seems like more ivory tower navel gazing.

And that doesn’t even touch on all the jurisdictional and financial shenanigans that immediately come to my mind how you can circumvent that.

Government legislatures really should have red team groups that have to be included in legislative processes with the objective of punching holes into legislation.

cromka 6 hours ago

Because it promotes recycling instead of being another tax.

pyuser583 3 hours ago

Recycling an object almost always means destroying it.

dash2 3 hours ago

A tax would also promote recycling, since that would avoid the tax?

Saline9515 7 hours ago

It looks like a great opportunity for mafia networks to get paid by clothing brands in order to dispose of the stocks.

kps 5 hours ago

Now I'm imagining someone dumped in the river chained to a pallet of t-shirts rather than a cinder block.

HelloUsername 3 hours ago

in order to dispose of the socks

palata 5 hours ago

I mean at this point they may as well have a deal to let the mafia steal cars in the parking lot and share the benefits...

tancop 7 hours ago

some places already do this for food where anything thats after sell by date but still safe to eat has to be donated to a food bank.

i think it should be expanded to cover more categories than food and clothes when reuse and recycling infra grows to take the demand. its not just good for the environment it also prevents producers from restricting supply to keep their profits high.

the ultimate goal is make it illegal to destroy or intentionally damage anything usable before it reaches consumers. that would create a new ecosystem of discount stores and giveaway centers, and save everyone a ton of money.

jandrewrogers 6 hours ago

Who pays for the logistics cost of moving and stocking these products in discount stores and giveaway centers? That is a large percentage of the total cost of production and the reason disposal is cheaper.

If those costs are paid for by taxpayers then the consumers are in effect involuntarily buying products they would not have otherwise bought, just with more steps. We already see this with agricultural subsidies.

If those costs are charged back to the producer then it becomes economically optimal to under-produce, which will cause prices to rise and risk shortages but eliminate waste. One can make the argument that higher prices for basic goods to reduce waste is a social good but it also impoverishes consumers.

All of these scenarios have happened empirically countless times. That almost every producer over-produces to some extent at no profit to themselves when allowed has strong "Chesterton's Fence" characteristics.

rzwitserloot 6 hours ago

It's a somewhat blunt instrument used to internalize some externalities: Making a product and then destroying it is wasteful, and the market will fix all internalized costs of that waste, but some of those costs are externalized. Having society pay somewhat for producing clothes that are then worn, that's one thing. Having society pay for pointless waste is another.

What you've said is: Looking only at the internalized costs, pointless-wasting a percentage of clothes costs X but reduces clothes cost in the store by Y, with Y being larger than X.

Okay. Irrelevant - that math doesn't include externalized costs. It may well be that this is a stupid idea, but "market decided destroying some clothes was more efficient" doesn't prove anything unless you can show that the size of the externalized costs to this process are 0 or close enough to 0 to have no meaningful relevance.

loeg 5 hours ago

SpicyLemonZest 6 hours ago

herbst 6 hours ago

> Who pays for the logistics cost of moving and stocking these products in discount stores and giveaway centers?

All the examples I know of (Austria, Switzerland) are social clubs/associations (whatever that is called) and DO NOT depend on tax payer money.

groundzeros2015 29 minutes ago

> that would create a new ecosystem of discount stores and giveaway centers, and save everyone a ton of money.

No. The real cost storage and selling, not the finished product. You don't magically get competent organizations to sell that popping out of the ground.

I have worked at a donation center like goodwill before. They get tons of stuff and throw away most of it. People won't buy it and they don't have time or space.

s1artibartfast 6 hours ago

It may be an incentive to produce less and restrict options available. It really depends on how much harm it does to the company to donate or mark down their product.

mc32 4 hours ago

Food4Less I think is owned by a larger grocery store brand. They sell near due date or past due date foods at a reduced price. There are also third party past due grocers in secondary cities.

storus 4 hours ago

Africa is going to be full of old Versaces, Balenciagas, Guccis and Valentinos.

WalterBright 4 hours ago

Wouldn't that drive textile manufacturing out of the EU?

petcat 4 hours ago

I think that's the point. EU doesn't actually want these factories to operate in the EU. They just want to buy the clothes from elsewhere.

But then of course they cry a lot when they realize how easy it has become for China and USA to squeeze them.

Tough consequences of stuff like this.

enaaem 3 hours ago

No, this will give EU textile manufacturing an advantage, because they mostly produce low volume high value products. This will hurt fast fashion importers the most.

xnx 7 hours ago

Is this a problem in the EU? I often think in terms of home remodels that a family might do at least once. Those can easily fill a dumpster with tons of garbage. That's much more waste than a family could ever generate directly or indirectly in clothing.

embedding-shape 7 hours ago

> I often think in terms of home remodels that a family might do at least once

Very interesting point of view, as someone who never done a home remodel, it surely brought a new perspective for me.

> That's much more waste than a family could ever generate directly or indirectly in clothing.

I'm not sure, if you have two kids who are into trendy clothing and you're able to let them make choices around clothing, then I can imagine that there is quite high turnover on those things.

Besides, the proposed rules seems to try to address waste generated by businesses rather than individuals or families. I guess currently they throw outdated clothing in order to make space for the new clothing lines?

pcdevils 7 hours ago

It's companies dumping unsold ranges of clothes as new ranges come in. Not people.

tialaramex 6 hours ago

Ya, and this is hugely driven by "Fast Fashion". If you're a company which made raincoats since the 1880s and the style with more buttons and few zips starts to be less popular maybe you make fewer of those and more of the zip ones next season, and in five years you've gone from 90% button 10% zip to the reverse. Companies like that don't destroy a lot of stock. They do a few discount sales, end-of-line price slashes, that sort of thing, but this "destroy clothes to make money" wasn't a thing.

In fast fashion you're shipping a knock-off of the $8000 designer swimsuit seen in a Paris catwalk show at the start of July, a preview of your $150 version was shown in a TikTok video that blew up on Friday and your customers will be wearing them on the beach next weekend. By August that product is old news, you do not want that $150 product available for $5 in a discount store or your consumers might rebel - so you want to burn it instead and the EU says no, that's a perfectly good swimsuit, sell it to somebody who needs a swimsuit. Or give it away.

If "fast fashion" no longer makes economic sense now, too bad, I guess you won't do it any more. The EU's citizens do not want you to destroy the planet they live on just to get more money. We made money up. Stop being crazy.

Stromgren 7 hours ago

My dad worked at a logistics facility, the amount of perfume he took home was ridiculous - and you’d think that something like perfume would never go stale. It does from a brand perspective and they do everything they can to have it destroyed so it doesn’t end up being sold to prices that would hurt the perceptive value. Obviously he wasn’t allowed to take it either.

hiAndrewQuinn 7 hours ago

This isn't really surprising in a low margin industry. If you are making a 2% margin on the average perfume bottle, and then you liquidate it at -3% because it's cheaper than destroying it, you can accidentally end up anchoring customer perceptions on a price with like a -1% margin which actually will destroy the business over time.

High margin industries get more complicated to model, of course.

Stromgren 5 hours ago

phoronixrly 6 hours ago

maccard 6 hours ago

I did a remodel last year. I filled 2 largeskips by the end of it. This is the first large job this house has had in 10 years, and it’s a 130 year old house.

The cafe at the bottom of my street has roughly that amount of waste collected every 2 weeks - they fill their commercial trash bin every 2 days. I don’t know how much of that is waste vs old food but they generate orders of magnitude more waste than I do even when I’m making a huge mess.

altairprime 3 hours ago

The EU has targeted foodservice with regulation as well, though it’s phased much more slowly (2030) than the clothing law was:

https://food.ec.europa.eu/food-safety/food-waste/eu-food-was...

Here, too, they consider “stop overproducing” to be the biggest problem on the pyramid. I’m not as familiar with this effort (nor if it, or any related initiative, affects to-go / disposal-ware) but one can reasonably imagine they are targeting all severely wasteful overproduction given enough time.

maccard 5 minutes ago

Y-bar 5 hours ago

One of my clients (a clothing brand) burns something in the range of 60-100 tonnes of clothes at the end of each season (4/year) here in the EU. They do it because it is easier and cheaper than to optimise the logistics chain. It is also cheaper than to recycle it. And they refuse to discount it or sell to secondary outlets to ”avoid brand dilution”.

comrade1234 6 hours ago

I lived in a small building along with a French family with 5 children. The amount of trash they had every week was incredible. We had our small trash bag and theirs would be a heap of bags chest high. I sometimes wondered if he was throwing out trash from his business too.

While living there the system changed from paying for a disposal service to pre-buying special bags that cost around 2.50chf per 35L bag. The French family moved back to France within a couple of months.

microtonal 6 hours ago

Did they still have children wearing diapers? If so, that's your answer.

khurs 5 hours ago

You didn't say where you live, and what kind of waste.

Is your separated into general/food/plastic/cardboard? As often it's the plastic bin that overflow if families are not cooking from ingredients but buying ready made food.

dash2 6 hours ago

I think the children alone are enough of an explanation…

amarant 6 hours ago

Is fast fashion not a thing in the US? I was under the impression it was, but perhaps I was wrong...

dgellow 6 hours ago

It definitely is, according to my experience traveling to NYC

dgellow 6 hours ago

The keyword is _unsold_. If you bought clothes, they aren’t unsold

ascorbic 7 hours ago

This is about businesses, not families.

anonzzzies 6 hours ago

I reuse everything from remodels. Seems a shame to throw out always. And other skips are getting bought by others to use in their building projects.

sokoloff 5 hours ago

How do you reuse plaster or drywall walls/ceilings? I’m fairly reuse-friendly, but that stuff goes straight in the dumpster for practical reasons.

anonzzzies 3 hours ago

dathinab 6 hours ago

it's a pretty big _international_ problem

basically

- company cheap mass produces clothes/shoes

- new session (1/4 year) comes in (at beast)// it's fast fashion and there is a new trend (at worst)

- the "old" clothes are sold with rabatt but either before the session end or limited to clothes already shipped to stores

- this leaves a ton of clothes not shipped to physical shops and not sold in time

- selling them very strongly discounted means they compete with the new batch of different clothes, not discounting them means they might block up store space (physical store) or storage space (online shop, storage cost at scale shouldn't be underestimated, especially if some clothes just don't sell)

- so companies just destroy the unsold clothes _and write the production cost off as loss_. Turns out destroying + write off is more profitable then gifting or discounting... :(

- this is especially true for brand-clothes. They are often produced for a fraction of sales price and don't want to see their stuff being sold for more then a small discount. For some of this brand clothes their values outright lies more in "you needed to pay a bunch for it" then it "being high quality" (beyond a certain baseline of quality).

now the relevant question: Will this prevent companies from finding loopholes to still trash their clothes, especially brand clothes?

Yes it won't prevent it. But it increases the cost/complexity of it so it will likely reduce it by quite a bit. But some big next "<brand still dumps clothes through loophole>" scandal is basically just a question of time.

Still overall it looks like it will be beneficial from a wast, environment and climate POV while harming (way too) fast fashion which is good as fast fashion is harmful for all the previous points, laborer treatment, cloth quality and some others.

UltraSane 6 hours ago

This law doesn't apply to individual consumers, only manufactures and retail stores.

cassianoleal 7 hours ago

How long until they start shipping those abroad where they will become toxic bonfires?

mtrovo 6 hours ago

You're half joking but this actually happens already. As you can imagine there's a lot of backlash on dumping good clothes on Europe itself so they export them in bad conditions just to have it burned out of sight.

https://changingmarkets.org/report/trashion-the-stealth-expo...

And it's not just old clothes being discarded, another related study showed that around 30% of clothes returned from online stores are not even looked over to see if they're worth selling again and are discarded straight away.

Hackbraten 7 hours ago

boredhedgehog 6 hours ago

But when does a product become waste? When the owner says it is.

wiz21c 7 hours ago

At least they're trying.

tliltocatl 3 hours ago

At that point they might skip the bonfire part (or the locals would without asking their permission), which is kinda the whole point.

wolvoleo 7 hours ago

That can be penalised too.

We really have to get away from the idea that curtailing intentional industrial waste production is futile. Perhaps in American style capitalism it is because the system is rigged and the biggest money bag always wins. But we don't want this here at all.

We have to get forward as humanity and treat our planet with respect. Otherwise we won't have one worth living on. Making money isn't the only thing that counts.

graemep 7 hours ago

I agree we should, but that does not mean that a particular regulation is the right way to do it. Its very hard to close loopholes and exploitation of exemptions.

ChrisLTD 7 hours ago

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thesmtsolver2 6 hours ago

Wasn’t it the US that caught European companies in the emissions scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

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thefourthchime 4 hours ago

I'm pretty sure they're docking the ship right now.

skybrian 4 hours ago

It sounds like charities will be getting a lot of unsalable clothing to go through. Maybe they could charge businesses for taking it?

It seems rather similar to what Ross Clothing does.

altairprime 4 hours ago

The EU is definitely studying the donations / tax-credit economy across its states; I expect that working group will be paying very close attention to donation outcomes union-wide in the coming months.

Tax incentives for donations to social economy entities: Models, trends, and challenges (2025) https://social-economy-gateway.ec.europa.eu/document/downloa...

amazingamazing 7 hours ago

Why would this ever happen? Is it cheaper to destroy than sell at discount?

ascorbic 7 hours ago

Yes, clothing companies and stores will very commonly destroy clothes if they determine that selling at a discount would undermine the brand value. They do things like cutting holes in the soles of shoes before discarding them.

thrance 7 hours ago

> The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

groundzeros2015 26 minutes ago

Yes. The primary cost is distribution, storage, and sales.

A likely outcome is stores carry fewer options and you need to order what you want.

embedding-shape 7 hours ago

Some stuff you basically have to give away for people to buy, some stuff just isn't so attractive to most people. With limited store space, you could miss out on profits if you don't update what you have available. Every item you carry is another item you cannot fit to carry.

kryptiskt 7 hours ago

I think this largely is about brand protection. They worry that discounting the clothes means they will just cannibalize sales of that brand's full-price clothes.

artisinal 7 hours ago

If the full price is €6, there isn’t much room for a discount. Destroying and freeing up store space for something that does sell can easily be profitable.

cbg0 3 hours ago

Donating to charity is cheaper than destroying.

brainwad 2 hours ago

dgellow 6 hours ago

Thats also the case for a lot of electronics, it’s not just a problem with clothes

thaumasiotes 7 hours ago

> Is it cheaper to destroy than sell at discount?

Yes.

thibaut_barrere 6 hours ago

Artificial scarcity + the urge to impose fashion cycles, sadly

hawk_ 7 hours ago

Selling cheaper cannibalizes next season's fashion.

close04 7 hours ago

Particularly for “luxury” brands as selling at a discount devalues the brand. I use quotes because most of those brands sell cheap stuff (double digit manufacturing cost using forced labor [0]) but with a fancy logo making them worth 4 figures.

[0] Better link: https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2025/jul/24/made-in-ital...

vrganj 7 hours ago

Luxury brands don't want the poors to be seen wearing their merchandise.

It hurts brand perception.

dgellow 6 hours ago

That’s pretty outdated, luxury brands have been selling cheaper clothes since decades at this point. It’s not uncommon to see people without wealth wearing luxury branded clothes (though of course they are mass produced and aren’t the actual luxurious clothes, just a way to wear the brand name)

christkv 2 hours ago

The problem with the EU is that it only approaches problem solving with regulation. It’s incapable of doing anything else. Meanwhile none of the Chinese platforms dumping cheap clothes and crap into the market are held to any of these standards for safety or destruction.

cheeze 2 hours ago

The EU can control companies that operate within the EU, they can't stop a Chinese company operating in China from destroying things. They could prevent the sale in EU without proof that the companies don't do that, but this is a good start.

This also isn't targeting the waste that comes from temu. This is targeting luxury brands that create artificial scarcity and destroy items rather than sell them at a discount. Think Gucci, Louis Vuitton, etc.

carlosjobim 6 hours ago

What I admire the most about this is that already months before passing this law, all the members of the European Commission signed a document that they as individuals will not purchase any new or expensive clothes during their time in office, as an act of solidarity and to show they also take their individual responsibility to reduce waste.

iammjm 7 hours ago

Great! “Fashion” is capitalism’s toxic way of having people discard perfectly good clothes and buy new ones every 12 months. It’s stupid, wasteful, and disgusting

josephcsible 6 hours ago

This has nothing to do with consumers throwing away their old clothes. It's specifically about companies throwing away clothes that were never bought by consumers.

ezfe 4 hours ago

Which they do to maintain their fashion reputation and image. It absolutely is related.

roysting 6 hours ago

So the corporation can just sell or donate them to their own shell entity in some tax preferred jurisdiction and then destroys them and take a loss that can be shuffled back to the corporation?

UltraSane 6 hours ago

It should be illegal for stores to throw away edible food.

charlieyu1 6 hours ago

Makes it more expensive for everyone and also decentivize donating food to homeless or anyone in need.

UltraSane 6 hours ago

how does NOT destroying edible food make food more expensive?

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khalic 5 hours ago

Fiction, there are places that already do this without any of these fabled effects

cbg0 3 hours ago

There are actually laws in EU countries to prevent this. Supermarkets have to discount food that is soon to expire instead of throwing it away, perishables from restaurants and fast food joints can be taken home by employees at the end of the day, and even donations to charities of said goods, or farms for produce unfit for human consumption is encouraged/regulated.

nullorempty 5 hours ago

They should really follow up with a similar policy on food.

At a nearby whole foods a large portion of produce goes to waste. It's heartbreaking to see.

OptionOfT 5 hours ago

This is already the case in France since I believe 2016.

There's was uptick around this story 4 months ago, so I'm not sure if those were bots resurfacing it or whether something changed in the law.

TiredOfLife 5 hours ago

1. There are no Whole Food in europe 2. Clothes don't go bad and poison people in general

okr 5 hours ago

So i buy from my own money fabrics, machines and also i pay handy people to make clothes out of it. I can not sell them all. My Risk. And as an additional punishment i lose the right to do whatever i want with my own property? Mad world.

tacomagick 5 hours ago

So I buy my own factory and produce my own pollutants and I dont have the right to do whatever I want with them, mad world.

no-name-here 5 hours ago

And per OP article:

1. This only applies to companies above a certain size.

2. Hundreds of thousands of tonnes of textiles are destroyed each year in the EU before use.

3. In Germany alone, companies destroy tens of millions of garments per year under just one of the existing justifications for destroying garments before use.

psalaun 5 hours ago

On a planet with infinite resources it may be a mad world. On one where oil will be depleted at some point and fast fashion brands are collectively creating thousands of disposable plastic clothes models in dozen of millions of nuits per month, it's common sense to limit the madness of this industry

loeg 5 hours ago

Our planet has effectively infinite resources. We're probably past peak oil extraction and have plenty left, nevermind that the vast majority of clothes aren't made of plastic. This policy is dumb as hell.

mistrial9 5 hours ago

it is not the year 1800 any more, some things have changed

zkmon 6 hours ago

Industrial production would far exceed the needs of people in the target markets. Supply chains are also highly streamlined. Some amazon boxes would go to dump unopened, after delivering to customer.

The state of perishable goods is much worse. A lot is dumped in food and short shelf-life items. Nothing can be done here. This is not even a brand issue.

Do not give license to industrial production or imports that far exceeds the needs of people in that region.

dgellow 6 hours ago

> The state of perishable goods is much worse. A lot is dumped in food and short shelf-life items. Nothing can be done here.

That’s already regulated in multiple countries

zkmon 6 hours ago

That's interesting. Mind telling how regulation would stop dumping of expired or unconsumed food and other stuff?

dgellow 6 hours ago

cbg0 3 hours ago