AI companies destroy rare and non recoverable physical books (heraldscotland.com)

41 points by DoddgyEggplant an hour ago

Legend2440 an hour ago

Who says they're rare and nonrecoverable? If they're bought in bulk from used booksellers, they're probably quite common titles.

We throw away nearly a billion books every year. They're not sacred, and scanning a few million isn't a tragedy. People just don't like AI and want to be outraged about it.

qsera 27 minutes ago

>they're probably quite common titles.

Old books could have been common back in their day, but they might not be very common today.

Legend2440 15 minutes ago

The books you will find on a bulk sale are, by definition, the ones that are very common today.

qarl2 an hour ago

And... at the very most... each AI company destroys ONE copy of a book.

Retr0id an hour ago

Good thing there are hardly any AI companies these days.

Legend2440 43 minutes ago

Well, if they're bought in bulk, there's gonna be some duplicates. They probably don't know what they're buying until they start scanning.

But still, the number of duplicates will be inversely proportational to the rarity of the book. Lots of copies of James Patterson and Twilight, probably few or zero rare 16th-century manuscripts.

pixl97 38 minutes ago

john_strinlai 43 minutes ago

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

ars from a month ago is a bit less emotional about it:

"The court documents don’t indicate that any rare books were destroyed in this process—Anthropic purchased its books in bulk from major retailers"

but also brings up a reasonable point that there are good ways to do this type of scanning non-destructively.

Catloafdev 37 minutes ago

The scanning process they use is _intentionally_ destructive, not accidentally destructive.

It's not because they hate books or something. It's literally to stay in the law due to the legal rulings surrounding AI companies and copyright.

If they had the option of not destroying the books without any risk of further lawsuit, they would. They aren't like some crazy people that just want to destroy books.

john_strinlai 35 minutes ago

>The scanning process they use is _intentionally_ destructive, not accidentally destructive.

i am aware. i am saying that there are options to _intentionally_ be non-destructive.

>They aren't like some crazy people that just want to destroy books.

i didnt say or imply they were

Terr_ 31 minutes ago

Catloafdev 30 minutes ago

tempestn 29 minutes ago

dralley 35 minutes ago

Cutting off the binding of the book to separate the pages makes them easier to scan, that's part of the reason why they do it destructively.

basisword 29 minutes ago

They do have the option to not destroy the books. Their hand isn’t being forced. You can choose not to be scumbags just as you can choose to use a legal loophole to rip off writers, destroy books needlessly and resell their content through your service.

Legend2440 18 minutes ago

pfdietz 40 minutes ago

If books were precious physical objects of great value, why is that not reflected in their prices? Used books are usually worthless.

And if their inherent value was so great, regardless of supply or use, wouldn't we be able to churn out infinite value by just printing enormous nunbers of copies and storing them?

This absurd consequence shows the outrage here is without rational foundation. It's feelings run amok. Feels are not a good way to think, people.

tgv 30 minutes ago

If air is so valuable to you, why don't you pay premium for it? Not that it's comparable to books, but it has the same presupposition as your question.

Legend2440 28 minutes ago

Because air is extremely common and not scarce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_value

Similarly, wholesale used books are cheap because they are extremely common and not scarce.

qsera 24 minutes ago

pfdietz 29 minutes ago

If someone had posted "OMG Google is using up air" I'd have been equally contemptuous.

I'm kind of surprised we aren't hearing that as an argument against burning fossil fuels, actually.

qsera 31 minutes ago

>why is that not reflected in their prices?

Because the consumers are stupid and think being "new" is worth a lot more, for some reason, when it comes to art/literature/movies. So they are willing to pay more for new stuff that could be mediocre.

I would really pay 10 times the price of some old books, but consumer demand is nearly zero because they are old, so they have gone out of print...

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michaelmrose 22 minutes ago

If we value things according to their monetary value we must conclude that Elon musk is more valuable than every teacher in Americas labor for the next decade. Economic value is oft divorced entirely from any notion of real value.

What you are describing derisively as "feels" is actually nuance the very essence of intelligence is not reducing complexity to tapioca.

Destroying the last copy of a rare book reduces the sum total of human knowledge even if its not one already of note.

Historically current thinking isn't the best and most accurate judgement of value. We cherish many works that were not notable upon publication or even in the author's lifetime.

Previously the works were distributed and hard to lose all at once now they are possibly inaccurately scanned and even that slightly lossy data may disappear all at once in a wave bankruptcy especially if the economy crashes again as seems to happen every 10 to 20 years.

I suggest you ruminate instead of patting yourself on the back

pfdietz 13 minutes ago

Equating people to inanimate objects is a remarkable argument. How about we reject that out of hand.

cortesoft 26 minutes ago

I find it interesting that no one cared if these books were destroyed before, but now they are suddenly valuable and worth preserving?

These are books that were sitting in some warehouse waiting to be destroyed until it was discovered that AI companies would buy them in bulk. Most of these books are 'rare' because no one bought them, so they didn't print many, and the ones they did print weren't sold so they sat in a warehouse.

I feel like people are imagining some rare, handwritten book transcribed by some 17th century monk. That is not what these are, they are part of the millions of published books that never get any traction, are barely sold, and then are destined to fade into obscurity as they are eventually cycled out of the warehouse and into the incinerator.

But now that AI companies want to add a 'scan them first' step before destroying them, they are suddenly precious and must be preserved?

smb06 21 minutes ago

AI companies getting involved makes it newsworthy

lacker an hour ago

Personally, I end up throwing away a decent amount of books that the book donation people won't take. Especially old technical books. Textbooks from 2001. These headlines just don't tell me anything useful. "Rare" doesn't mean anything.

Please, give me one example of an interesting and unique book that the AI companies have destroyed.

ohyoutravel an hour ago

Oreilley’s 1999 classic: Learning Python.

pbhjpbhj 35 minutes ago

They destroyed it, there's nowhere to buy it or read it for the public?

Not sure if that was a whoosh?

£5 .. don't think it's destroyed .. https://www.abebooks.co.uk/Learning-Python-Mark-Lutz-OReilly...

Terr_ an hour ago

At least 80% of the anger here is misdirected, we should be blaming stupid copyright laws created over the last several decades by big-media lobbyists.

Even if the person running the scanner treated every book with utmost love, museum-level care, and holy sanctity, copyright law would still require them to shred/burn the pristine antique book at the end anyway, or else they get sued for bazillions by the modern companies that "own" the book's contents.

Edit: I think multiple HN submissions got merged. Please excuse any resulting inconsistencies.

pfdietz 33 minutes ago

Even without copyright isssues Google would have been perfectly fine in destructively scanning these books.

beering 39 minutes ago

Is that true? I don’t remember Google Books destroying scanned books and they scanned a ton of books.

beering 34 minutes ago

Follow up: I can’t seem to find any ruling that says you need to destroy the scanned book. Destroying the book might bolster your case in a copyright lawsuit, but the law does not require it afaict. I doubt you would lose a lawsuit simply because you put the book in a locked warehouse after scanning it.

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dilyevsky 30 minutes ago

yes it's true, us court has ruled destructive scanning is required to make it "fair use" (ianal, etc etc) - https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2025/06/from-bo...

pbhjpbhj 32 minutes ago

They broke copyright law. Too big to care, it something.

Some legislation got pushed through in some jurisdictions to allow them to claim things were "orphaned works".

Terr_ 13 minutes ago

The particular case linked in TFA [0] involves books where destruction was not required because they were either public-domain or the library (Haithi Trust) had the necessary legal rights to make copies.

[0] I think multiple HN submissions just got merged, I believe the one I was looking at was an ArsTechnica article, but now it seems to be a different paywalled one?

vitorfblima 33 minutes ago

IANAL, but I think you are allowed to copy work for non-commercial use.

jerf 28 minutes ago

pbhjpbhj 30 minutes ago

pfdietz 32 minutes ago

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Aboutplants 42 minutes ago

People underestimate the massive number of completely useless books that have been published over the centuries. Any significant historical or social contributions are not in danger of going away.

HelloUsername 42 minutes ago

Discussed on 27.jul.2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49068738 515 comments

ChrisArchitect 37 minutes ago

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dekhn an hour ago

This is one of those articles that goes out of its way to enrage people, when the underlying reality is far simpler, more straightforward, and less nefarious.

pixl97 37 minutes ago

I like how you get downvoted by the AI haters for a logical take.

zuzululu 41 minutes ago

headline is misleading destroy implies the work is lost but AI companies are scanning them to preserve the contents and learn from it and which we will collectively benefit and add to the GDP

it is very common to break the back bones of books for mass scanning, I use one at home, I find old books offline, usually people try to donate them to the library but i buy it from them for scanning. It's the only way to economically and fast, there's no good solution beside cutting the spine and feed them into my scanner.

josefritzishere 38 minutes ago

This is horrifying and dystopian.

pfdietz 31 minutes ago

The only thing horrifying here is the ridiculous reaction to this perfectly acceptable procedure.

zuzululu 25 minutes ago

yeah its strange, the "destructive scanning" method has been around for ages, you really can't compete with paper fed scanners

vitalyan8184 31 minutes ago

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