The other Sean Byrne doesn't exist (conic.al)
99 points by rdl 4 hours ago
Aozora7 32 minutes ago
This is one of the obvious consequences of not having a national identity number assigned to everyone at birth, which exist in most developed countries, except for anglosphere, for some reason.
pibaker 5 minutes ago
Objection to ID numbers as a concept aside, I don't think it actually solves the problem this author faced.
Fake identities are dime a dozen. It is not exactly hard for an illicit entity to just put some random ID numbers it bought off the dark web on its books. And now you have just made it even harder for the people who had their identities stolen to clear themselves. How do you convince some company drone doing sanction compliance that you didn't actually work for Sanction Circumvention Ltd when your ID number matches the one on their company's payroll files?
Not to mention the sanction list is full of foreigners. The American authorities compiling the list aren't going to know what's the national ID of a random Russian or Iranian guy running an import business. So what is going to happen if your name matches someone who's on the list with a blank ID field? Probably the same thing that happened to the author, I guess.
neximo64 18 minutes ago
Its not as if it even helps since the numbers can be leaked and stolen and then abused & the situation ends up even worse since it is so centralised.
larsnystrom 11 minutes ago
You’re talking about different things. Sweden has personal identity numbers and they’re public information. It protects you from being mixed up with someone with the same name. Not from identity theft though.
Aozora7 12 minutes ago
Identity numbers being abused is a consequence of them being misused. And as far as I can tell, this happens more often with american SSNs than anywhere with actual national identity numbers.
All that these numbers do is uniquely identify people. They aren't private. To actually prove your identity, you present your ID, passport, or a digital signature tied to that identity number.
lotsofpulp 2 minutes ago
unixhero 5 minutes ago
It helps. Period.
yassa9 17 minutes ago
in Egypt, every person is born with a universal national ID number , which is standardized everywhere here, but it created some problems, it became extremely valuable to attackers. If leaked, it can be reused across completely different services ( and you can never change it under anycase )
Having the full name + national ID was enough to bypass verification and activate various services, and many people weren't tech savvy enough to realize how dangerous it was to share or leak that info
graemep 4 minutes ago
National ID numbers will not help with cross border situations like this.
reaperducer 29 minutes ago
for some reason.
The reason is there. It's no big secret. Pick up a history book.
Extropy_ 23 minutes ago
Care to be a little less vague? Maybe a little more helpful?
rendall 9 minutes ago
areoform 3 hours ago
Something like this happened to me and it has cost me $20k+ over time, https://areoform.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/on-apples-expanded...
Mercury unblocked my accounts because their founder is a very kind man who bothered to verify what the document actually says rather than falling back to, "Computer says no." But everywhere else? De nada. Computer says no.
And it's not even me. It's a fuzzy match with someone in their 50s. Doesn't matter. Computer says no.
And I can't "get off the list" because it's not me who's on the list. The computer will always say no.
In the long run, I'll be fine. I think. But I'll pay $100k+ by the time it's over. These systems are being steadily expanded, as the dumbest incarnations of themselves. We've gone from Thin Thread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread to crappy fuzzy matches on shoddy data executed on with 0 diligence. It's the stupidest possible timeline.
I think many, many other people will be sharing our fate soon, which is partly why I've been writing about this slow rolling train wreck in motion in bits and pieces.
praptak 33 minutes ago
Terrorism went from "kill one person to scare millions" to "stir shit up to cripple the adversary with the costs of prevention".
psd1 2 hours ago
"The evil, I can tolerate; but the stupidity..." -Hubert Farnsworth
mock-possum 29 minutes ago
How can you possibly afford to pay $100k for something like this? That’s so much money!
areoform 18 minutes ago
Can I afford to? No.
But will I have to? Yes.
kazinator 3 hours ago
You can't seriously match people on first and last name and claim "fully matched".
Think of how manny John Smiths there are?
How can this be the company started by Wozniak and Jobs ...
cbsmith 2 hours ago
As a guy named Chris Smith, I can tell you, people do absolutely "match people on first and last name", and it causes me no end of trouble.
nephihaha 2 hours ago
They do unfortunately. I know someone with a more unusual surname who was getting chased for the debt of someone with the same name. It happens.
p-e-w an hour ago
You’re presenting this like a mistake born out of incompetence.
It isn’t. The institutions involved simply don’t care whether they are destroying the lives of random people. At all.
And why should they? They are completely unaccountable in practice, sometimes even in theory.
altmanaltman an hour ago
> How can this be the company started by Wozniak and Jobs ...
The same Jobs that routinely denied publicly that he was the parent of his daughter, even though he knew? The same Jobs that cheated Wozniak financially? The same Jobs that led to a change in legal legislation on how organ transplants work?
The world needs to move on from this marketing bs that he was somehow a "great" man who is morally solid and must be doing the right thing. Apple is precisely the company founded by Jobs.
zhivota 3 hours ago
Honestly the best thing to do might be to change your name at this point. I'm glad my name is not common, this kind of issue is going to only get worse in the future.
grey-area 3 hours ago
No, the best thing to do is get the press involved and make Apple and ideally the US gov fix their incompetent handling of this.
ben_w 2 hours ago
Given a US senator was "on" the post-9/11 no-fly list for the same stupid reason, merely making noise and getting the press invlolved isn't enough to fix the deeper problem.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-kennedys-airport-adventure/
mproud 2 hours ago
I get phone calls for a guy named Randy about his business. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to make the phone calls stop.
The simplest solution is to change my phone number. But
a) why should I have to? it’s my number, dammit!
b) how many accounts have 2FA? if I changed my number, what if I miss updating one that’s important?
c) it could happen again
If I change my number, however, that is the simplest way to solve the problem. It’s just, do I want to?
kmoser 3 hours ago
That is trading one problem for another: when the name on your birth certificate doesn't match the name on your government issued ID, certain other government entities tend to deny you services.
derriz an hour ago
This is the case for me - since the age of 4 or 5. I don’t live in the US but have lived and worked in 3 different countries and the only time it was an issue was getting married. Everything else - bank accounts, drivers license, residency permits, employer background checks, etc were no problem.
gucci-on-fleek 2 hours ago
I would think that changing the last name only should be fine though, since up until somewhat recently, most women changed their last names when they got married, so most systems should be equipped to handle this.
nephihaha 2 hours ago
bryanrasmussen 2 hours ago
>The Robert Johnson they kept being confused with wasn’t a man named Robert Johnson. It was a known alias of someone convicted of plotting to bomb a Hindu temple and a cinema in Toronto
Also, sold his soul to the devil at a crossroads, so you gotta be careful.