How does IKEA come up with names for its products? (ikea.com)
363 points by NaOH 17 hours ago
markvdb 3 hours ago
> Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages, political or religious affiliations and fit into our global profile.
I present to you "Svalka" wine glasses. Dump", rubbish heap", or easy, promiscuous woman of ill repute in informal Baltic (and Slavic?) slang.
cheeseface an hour ago
Svalka has been around from at least year 2000. Might even be one of the reasons for the current practice.
tecleandor 2 hours ago
I have a "Särna" chair. "Sarna" in Spanish is "Scabies".
Fun fact: Although "Sarna" comes from Latin, seems like it's only used in Romance languages present in the Iberian Peninsula (Galician, Catalan, Portuguese, Spanish...) and not for example in Italian, Romanian or French, as it's an Iberian loan word. Most other languages derive from another different Latin word, "scabiēs".
memsom 2 hours ago
The umlaut does mean that to a Swede it is not the same word sound at all. I can only guess that is why it was allowed?
sureMan6 25 minutes ago
selfmodruntime an hour ago
I swear this is untrue. Half the names of ikea products allude to funny words in German.
froh 44 minutes ago
funny indeed!
but no trash talk, no swear words, nothing gross or offending.
pseudohadamard an hour ago
Do IKEA have farthinders in their parking lots?
sebcat 28 minutes ago
No, they are slut
fangspire 3 hours ago
My favorite Ikea product name.
mszcz an hour ago
I mean, if you were to use that name for an IKEA product, you can do worse than wine glasses :P
A bed would be a little too on the nose I think.
dspillett 3 hours ago
> Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages
This procedure does not always work: https://adland.tv/whats-name-case-2351-ikeas-gutvik-bunk-bed
senko 16 hours ago
My favorite is `fejka` for the artificial plant/flower.
I think "being as widely-understandable pun as possible" is definitely one of their naming priorities.
kube-system 11 hours ago
Want a nice wardrobe? Well vuk u, you get this one:
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vuku-wardrobe-white-80331973/
Need an end table that is lacking?
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/lack-side-table-white-30449908/
koolba 11 hours ago
> Need an end table that is lacking?
End table? That’s a server rack: https://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/List_of_IkeaRacks
senko an hour ago
tarxvf 7 hours ago
Walf 11 hours ago
"Hey, Dana…”
rimliu 2 hours ago
Mine too. It was such a delight seeing it for the first time. Still brings a smile many years later.
hk__2 16 hours ago
> Did you know that we name around 2,000-3,000 new products every year?
I find this surprisingly high; I guess it’s _products_ and not _names_, meaning that five colors of the same product count as five new products but only one name.
eloisant 3 hours ago
They don't just sell furnitures, there is all the small accessories like cutting boards, plates, bowls, towels, cushions... Everything they're selling at their lowest floor before you reach the self-serve warehouse.
7734128 16 hours ago
The door mats are mostly named after places in Denmark, as they should be.
jxub an hour ago
And one of them, "Trampa", means "trap" or "cheating" in Spanish
matsemann 27 minutes ago
means "to step" or "step on" in Swedish, at least.
ErikCorry 16 hours ago
The toilet seat is named after the strait between Denmark and Sweden. https://youtu.be/ajBN0Xypi0I
reaperducer 16 hours ago
The door mats should be named after doors, and the place mats named after places.
dotancohen 2 hours ago
Maybe the door mats should be called Matthew, Matityahu, Matti, Mattes, Matthias.
The rubber ducky (yes, they sell one) could be called Bob.
azibi 15 hours ago
Fun Dutch observation: IKEA’s ANTILOP high chair sounds like “anti lopen” in Dutch. “lopen” = “to walk” So the name can be interpreted as “anti walking” or “prevents your baby from walking away.” I know it’s actually named after the animal (antelope), but the accidental Dutch wordplay is perfect for a baby chair.
Eduard 16 hours ago
kzrdude 14 hours ago
Is also a Swedish word, though slang, the imperative form of paxa which basically means the same as "dibs!" If I know my english colloquialisms correctly.
sixtyj 5 hours ago
The exception that proves the rule :)
It reminds some system - they didn’t allow “other” category for sorting features, but someone came with “999” :)
kripy 4 hours ago
Clue to their DB setup?
fy20 16 hours ago
For a Swede it must seem kind of strange to understand the product names. You see an ACORN toy, a NIGEL bookshelf, and the CROYDON sofa... which sounds like it belongs in a council estate flat.
Definately more fun would be the Polish version. How many people can pronounce the BYDGOSZCZ sofa, the PRZEMYSŁAW bookcase and the PSZCZOŁA soft toy?
MajorBee 13 hours ago
> BYDGOSZCZ sofa
This may not even be that far off from reality, looking at the sort of names rando brands on Amazon often have...
Inityx 4 hours ago
No joke, I came across a cosmetics brand recently called "Pooplunch"
simondotau 4 hours ago
dylan604 10 hours ago
At least BYDGOSZCZ is a real word in a real language
pseudohadamard an hour ago
mikestorrent 10 hours ago
Agentlien 4 hours ago
As a Swede, I always enjoy Ikea product names. Many of them are based on their actual function or category. Some are wordplay related to this. For example:
Rinnig - a kitchen towel called "runny"
Skaftet - a series of standing lamps and lamp stands called "the shaft"
Fejka - plastic plants literally called "to fake"
Knöckla - A garbage bin called "crumple up"
Some I don't get but are still funny
Ostbit - wooden serving tongs called "piece of cheese"?
Sharlin 3 hours ago
I guess you can use the tongs to serve pieces of cheese.
nine_k 16 hours ago
If the goal is something that reads weird for most Europeans, then try picking names from Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, or Welsh.
noir_lord 16 hours ago
My missus is Hungarian, I'm sure it's a lovely language but it just sounds like Klingon to me.
Which makes it hilarious when she's annoyed at the boy.
pndy 16 hours ago
decimalenough 14 hours ago
Funnily enough, there are quite a few IKEA products with Finnish names. (Most are place names from northern Sweden, where there's a significant Finnish minority.)
teiferer 4 hours ago
throw-the-towel 13 hours ago
Now I want a HÉTFŐ desk, and a SZÉKESFEHÉRVÁR... something.
bobthepanda 5 hours ago
Basque would be truly weird since it is one of a few known language isolates
retired 6 hours ago
Imagine an alternative reality where a KALLAX is a ԿԱԼԼԱՔՍ and the stores have pushy salesmen with impressive amounts of visible chest hair.
bberkgaut 4 hours ago
orthoxerox 3 hours ago
fragmede 12 hours ago
You really wanna get weird, there's those continents of Asia, Africa, and South America, full of different sounds to use for names. Ikea is Swedish, so they get to propagate Swedish culture to the rest of the world.
pseudohadamard an hour ago
psunavy03 10 hours ago
necovek 4 hours ago
I'd love seeing some Polish names in products and learning their pronounciation: but as a fellow Slavic language speaker (which there are hundreds of millions of, compared to 10 or 20 million Swedish speakers), I imagine I can do a pretty good job. So I think Swedish is still globally more playful.
(I'd read it as БИЂОШЧ/БИДГОШЧ, ПРЗЕМИСЛАВ and ПШЧОЛА/ПШЧОЉА — you can check on Google Translate if I am close :))
RugnirViking 16 hours ago
its not all that strange tbh - im learning danish which is adjacent enough to swedish that I can understand most of the names - sometimes they aren't relevant to the product function, sometimes they are, but they're just names. Is it strange to you that the word "photoshop" uses english language? what about a Hamburger being named after a place?
fyltr 16 hours ago
Nitpicking but your examples all have a clear etymology that may even help you deduce the purpose of a thing. Hamburger means 'from Hamburg' and can be short for 'in the style of Hamburg', which sounds perfectly normal to a native. This is, would I say, less strange than if it was named 'Hamburg', which seems to be the case of IKEA furniture. Photoshop, in the same way, seems to refer to a photo workshop, which once again has an etymology, as it refers to the initial purpose of that program, reworking pictures. On the opposite, if things are just named 'for the lulz', and my desk is called Boston, my text editor 'golden retriever' and my lamp acorn, confusion may at some point arise.
schoen 16 hours ago
dmurray 15 hours ago
wodenokoto 6 hours ago
namelosw 13 hours ago
Just go to Polish IKEA and buy the Grzegorz table and Brzęczyszczykiewicz chairs …
rubberpoliceman 9 hours ago
> Brzęczyszczykiewicz
MAUL HALTEN!
shmeeed 2 hours ago
victorbjorklund 16 hours ago
It is kind of funny sometimes. Sometimes it’s related to what the thing is (like a pun) and sometimes just random
ehnto 8 hours ago
I have always thought this about western media. For all of us in non-us countries, the locations, roads and objects are all slightly foreign to us, giving it that other-world feel movies have.
But for those in the US, wouldn't it all be a bit familiar? Whenever I watch a movie set in my home country with home accents and locations, it always feels a bit too familiar and it can cheapen the feel a bit.
MichaelDickens 7 hours ago
Well, I'm an American, but US media is disproportionately set in Los Angeles or NYC, and I haven't been to either of those places.
I was watching Monk recently, and it feels kinda neat seeing a show shot in San Francisco because I used to live there. I wouldn't say it feels "cheap" though.
mjanx123 6 hours ago
johanvts 2 hours ago
Would also be more fitting as most of it is made in Poland.
MarceliusK 6 hours ago
IKEA Poland missed an opportunity here
mejutoco 5 hours ago
Tak
noir_lord 16 hours ago
> CROYDON sofa
I mean.. we have the Windsor Chair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_chair) and the Welsh Dresser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_dresser) and those both slightly predate ikea so it's not a new thing.
dmboyd 10 hours ago
Ok porridge drawer is definitely someone having a laff
dickiedyce 6 hours ago
Nursie 4 hours ago
Don't forget the Chesterfield!
hahahaa 14 hours ago
pndy 16 hours ago
Ikea mobile application has little speaker near the product name that invokes pronunciation - sadly, that's not available on desktop site. I still tend to read Swedish accented letters in these names as German umlauts.
So that wouldn't be a problem if Polish names would be provided with audio examples.
By the way, the communistic period here was full of products using regular words, name of places or people’s names. We had Wisła, Bieszczady wall units. First Polish color TV was Jowisz (Jupiter); first TV ever my mother had was called Szafir (Saphire). Then Szarotka (elderweis) or Sylwia radios from 50s and 60s respectively. A clone of IBM PC with Intel 8086 (or with Russian clone) from 1986 was called Mazovia - Mazowsze which is a historical region of Poland, same name was also used for DOS encoding for that machine.
kzrdude 15 hours ago
The German vowels are a good start, but Swedish pronunciation is of course a little bit vowel shifted from German.
ignoramous 16 hours ago
You have a point but in Branding, it is accepted that bold (noisy) and distinctive (rather than only descriptive) names are an advantage: Creating billion-dollar brands: Vercel, Azure, Windsurf, Sonos, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyIaTopO6g&t=610 (Jun 2025).
hahahaa 14 hours ago
Every startup is named like these though so it is sorta biased.
dools 8 hours ago
> In other parts of the world, they are basically incomprehensible, but fun!
For some reason unknown to either of us it really pisses off my wife when I refer to our IKEA furniture by the Swedish names. I think it stems from a deep seated disdain she has for flat pack furniture.
Me: where’s the thing?
Wife: in the white cupboard
Me: which white cupboard? There are 6
Wife: the white cupboard opposite the piano
Me: the Brimnes?
Wife: >.<
mikepurvis 8 hours ago
Exactly the right amount of chaos, particular given that the Brimnes "series" encompasses a pretty wide range of configurations and form factors:
StingyJelly an hour ago
We are both calling our callax callax and hate it the equal amount. (The word as well as the piece of furniture)
MarceliusK 6 hours ago
This is exactly why the names work
ErroneousBosh 3 hours ago
Similar conversation I've had with my partner in the past few hours:
Me: it's beside the piano
Her: Which piano?
Me: The Ensoniq upstairs
orthoxerox 3 hours ago
Are you the staring Brazilian piano player?
tverbeure 16 hours ago
> Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages, political or religious affiliations and fit into our global profile.
I love the JERKER desk that I bought 26 years ago, so I assume this rule must be younger than that.
forgotmypasswor 15 hours ago
I was at IKEA once when they first came to America and there was a chair that was called the "assengråbben" or something like that.
I heard a guy nearby telling the person with him "must be for the interns".
hammock 12 hours ago
There is a lamp called Fartyg
Agentlien 7 hours ago
juancb 7 hours ago
rtkwe 16 hours ago
Perhaps even the source of that rule.
dhosek 16 hours ago
Pax is another one that violates the rule that someone pointed out lower. Also Malm is a surname which is another violation of the rule (one of the characters in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was named, if I recall correctly, Stefan Malm). I remember reading the books with my then-wife and she said it was like reading an IKEA catalog. I thought she was referring to the character/place names, but it turned out that the second book had a long section where the titular girl furnishes an apartment from IKEA and—that chapter was exactly like reading an IKEA catalog.
jagaerglad 15 hours ago
BambooleanLogic 15 hours ago
orthoxerox 3 hours ago
AndrewKemendo 14 hours ago
brunoborges 16 hours ago
You know the saying... a "Do not step on the grass" sign only shows up after people start frequently stepping on the grass...
andrewfromx 15 hours ago
javcasas 15 hours ago
You also have the Mitsubishi Pajero. Feel free to find the derogatory term in the wiki.
moogly 5 hours ago
AdmiralAsshat 14 hours ago
Article is missing the urban legend about "Bite the wax tadpole"
Isolus 13 hours ago
Yes, they also sold a toilet brush named "VIREN". In Germany this is the plural of virus. And some year ago Danes complained IKEA named carpets and runner after danish towns but never something "better".
glimshe 16 hours ago
An excellent desk, by the way. I still have mine (the old heavy duty model)!
SoleilAbsolu 15 hours ago
I'm happy to say I'm in the circle of jer...Um...So do I, one of the best home purchases I've ever made!
kraquepype 14 hours ago
Holy crap that's my desk too, bought about 24 years ago. It's been a great desk. Gray frame with black work area/shelves.
I guess at the time the name was funny too but I had forgotten it.
tverbeure 9 hours ago
I didn’t even know the name for the longest time. It’s only when I wanted to buy some extensions that I realized the cult status of that model, and that’s not (just) because of the name. It’s a truly great design and a shame that it was discontinued many years ago.
jannyfer 16 hours ago
The $50USD Bluetooth speakers "NATTBAD" gave us a good chuckle.
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/nattbad-bluetooth-speaker-yello...
whirlwin an hour ago
IKEA is the new "fast fashion", but for furniture.
You buy something one day, and it starts to deteriorate and become janky after a year, and you'll have a buy a new one. All products have gone through spreadsheet cost optimizations.
It wasn't always like that. If you're lucky to get your hands on an old IKEA bookshelf (Billy), it's sturdy and will last forever.
sdoering 42 minutes ago
We’ve had IKEA furniture for over 15 years, sometimes storing it in the attic for a few years after disassembling it, then assembling it again. We’ve also kept the main bodies of our living room furniture while replacing the doors. We sold the old doors on eBay, and other people reused them.
I also inherited some “regular” living room furniture after my mom passed away. It cost about four times as much as IKEA’s higher-end lines. After moving it from my mom’s place to my office, I can already see it falling apart after just three years (total lifetime as my mom only had it for two). The quality is so shite that I honestly wish my mom had bought IKEA.
In the future, I’ll either buy custom pieces from a furniture maker or choose IKEA's higher end lines for longevity and reusability.
martin- an hour ago
I have no experience with newer IKEA furniture, as my old IKEA furniture seems to last forever.
arexxbifs 43 minutes ago
Even the stuff they've traditionally been good at?
Funny thing is, I haven't bought much furniture for ages since my old IKEA stuff has lasted for several decades and is still going strong. Their major kitchen appliances are crap, though.
sofixa an hour ago
> You buy something one day, and it starts to deteriorate and become janky after a year, and you'll have a buy a new one
I had a LACK table (9.99 euros at time of acquisition) last for 10 years before a move forced me to give it away. I also have a few random things from them (wooden cutting board, grater, I think a bookshelf) and everything is pretty OK, even the cheap stuff.
novoreorx 8 hours ago
> Did you know that we name around 2,000-3,000 new products every year?
If that's true, I wonder how many years it will take to use up the remaining unused Swedish words.
asjo 5 hours ago
The Swedish Academy <https://www.svenskaakademien.se/en> has a word list (SAOL <https://svenska.se/om/om-ordbockerna/#saol>) of around 127,600 current Swedish words, and a Swedish dictionary including historic words from 1521 until today (SAOB <https://www.saob.se/>) of around 500,000 words.
The dictionary was started in 1898 and completed in 2023(!)
bpacholek 2 hours ago
It is funny how those name often sound differently than intended in other languages while still remaining memetic. My best example is "Knorrig" as it sounds like a fun name for a pig since "knur" is a male ping in Polish.
martin- 2 hours ago
That fits, because "knorr" is Swedish for a pig's tail!
zeroq 15 hours ago
> Did you know that we name around 2,000-3,000 new products every year?
It's more likely that the whole product catalog contains 2-3k products. [1][2][3] So no, you don't.
[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/cat/products-products [2] https://lar5.com/ikea (~ 2200) [3] https://namingschemes.com/Ikea_Product_Names (~ 1300)
zamadatix 12 hours ago
When [3] contains half as many as [2] it should be a good sign to take pause to consider both could be faaaar from exhaustive. [1] is just a link to a page of links, it doesn't really say anything about how many total named products there are. Meanwhile, https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/ranjithpanicker/ikea-global-... claims "34,932 unique global products" and Ikea Canada alone claims ~12k products https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/newsroom/corporate-news/ikea-cana...
Why should we treat a minor wiki page and some dude's personal site (who disagree with each other on totals) as authoritative proof Ikea is wrong about it's own catalog? Especially when it's not hard to find 1st/3rd party sources claiming an order of magnitude more products. Keep in mind, some things will also fall off the catalog over time.
mbreese 10 hours ago
I’m going to guess that a good chunk of products are named but never released. I’d love to know what products IKEA develops but decides to not release.
comboy an hour ago
They are so hard to pronounce and remember to me that might as well be UUIDs
smohnot 5 hours ago
Chiming in for the Ikea fans - you should definitely listen to the Acquired episode about it! It was fantastic and covered this and other fun facts https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/ikea
aa-jv 14 minutes ago
A while ago I worked on a product which created a lot of media files for the user, and these files all needed to be named in a unique - yet human-pronouncable manner.
We considered using something like what3words[1], but then one bright dev came up with a way of constructing a filename using phonemes derived from the names of Austrian philosophers ..
This worked so well, for some reason - whether selection bias in the list created by the CEO for the purpose (putting that degree to good use, finally), or maybe just because Austrian philosophers all have great names for the purpose.
I confess that I do think about this a lot, as I am lost in the endless maze of Ikea stuff on my way for some meatballs.
Edit: I couldn't resist, it looks something like this:
-- Unique filename generator based on phonemes derived from the top 10
-- most well-known Austrian philosophers (per Pantheon HPI ranking):
-- 1. Ludwig Wittgenstein
-- 2. Karl Popper
-- 3. Martin Buber
-- 4. Paul Feyerabend
-- 5. Josef Breuer
-- 6. Ivan Illich
-- 7. Otto Weininger
-- 8. Alfred Schütz
-- 9. Otto Neurath
-- 10. Jean Améry
--
-- Phonemes / syllable units extracted from the names (approximating
-- German/English pronunciation for pronounceability):
local PHONEMES = {
-- Wittgenstein
"wit", "gen", "stein", "wig", "stein",
-- Popper
"pop", "per", "popr",
-- Buber
"bu", "ber", "bub",
-- Feyerabend
"fey", "er", "a", "bend", "abend",
-- Breuer
"breu", "er", "breuer",
-- Illich
"il", "lich", "ill", "ich",
-- Weininger
"wei", "nin", "ger", "wein",
-- Schütz (approximated without diacritics for filename safety)
"schu", "etz", "schutz", "shuets",
-- Neurath
"neu", "rath", "neur",
-- Améry
"a", "me", "ry", "amer", "ery"
}
--- Generates a unique, pronounceable filename.
-- The random selection of phonemes is seeded from the current timestamp.
-- @param extension (optional) file extension without the leading dot (default: "txt")
-- @param syllable_count (optional) number of phoneme units to combine (default: 3)
-- @return string A filename of the form: <phoneme-combo>.<ext>
function generate_austrian_philosopher_filename(extension, syllable_count)
extension = extension or "txt"
syllable_count = syllable_count or 3
-- Safety: ensure we have at least 2 syllables and a sensible upper bound
if syllable_count < 2 then syllable_count = 2 end
if syllable_count > 6 then syllable_count = 6 end
-- Seed the PRNG from the current timestamp for this generation
math.randomseed(os.time())
local parts = {}
for i = 1, syllable_count do
local idx = math.random(1, #PHONEMES)
parts[i] = PHONEMES[idx]
end
-- Combine into a readable base name (hyphenated for clarity)
local base = table.concat(parts, "-")
return string.format("%s.%s", base, extension)
end
-- Example usage:
-- print(generate_austrian_philosopher_filename())
-- → e.g. "stein-neu-ber.txt"
--
-- print(generate_austrian_philosopher_filename("log", 4))
-- → e.g. "fey-wit-pop-rath.log"
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What3wordsarjvik 11 hours ago
> Sofas → Swedish place names
Looks like some of these place names have been overpowered in search results by their named-for sofa counterparts! When searching Finnala, Sweden, I essentially only get search results for the sofa, and even the Google AI overview, while admitting it's a locality in Sweden, shows me a picture of the sofa!
Loic 15 hours ago
About 25 years ago, one rule was that everything related to the toilets was in Danish. He said it was the Swedish Danish rivalry.
mig39 16 hours ago
The Fräck mirror was named after the commonly used faux swear word on Battlestar Galactica, where one of the characters used a similar mirror:
https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/fraeck-mirror-stainless-steel-3...
wowczarek 15 hours ago
And then, unbeknownst to what the Sci-Fi future might bring, an Italian home appliance manufacturer names themselves SMEG.
pndy 15 hours ago
You may say that "There's too much confusion", ha!
bcaulfield 17 hours ago
Amazing. A post asks a question in the title that I actually want answered, and then goes on to answer that question clearly and succinctly. Maybe the best corporate content I've seen this year.
usui 17 hours ago
But how can I find the answer to the question without reading punchy headers followed by paragraphs like
> How We Leverage Naming
> Our Naming Strategy, Explained
> Why Swedish Is Important
> The Bottom Line
And unforgettable aphorisms like
> It isn't just a name—it is the output of a scalable, globally coordinated, linguistically validated, Swedish-inspired naming framework designed to optimize brand consistency
to let me know? I'm completely lost on this page and can't find the answer without these.
applfanboysbgon 15 hours ago
How am I supposed to know what matters if they don't tell me, in an honest fashion?
knollimar 13 hours ago
fuomag9 12 hours ago
deadbunny 16 hours ago
May I introduce you to the UK chain Iceland and their stance on management consultants?
https://about.iceland.co.uk/our-story/the-dark-ages/beware-m...
hadrien01 16 hours ago
The entire section of the website about 'The Dark Ages' is priceless. They don't pull any punches: https://about.iceland.co.uk/our-story/the-dark-ages/
Nux 16 hours ago
Just brilliant!
aanet 16 hours ago
This is fckn brilliant!!
I’m bookmarking it for sharing
bcaulfield 16 hours ago
Brilliant.
Submit it to Hacker News as its own post before I do.
Seriously.
You have one hour.
lefra 17 hours ago
I agree, and it's kind of sad that getting simple, clear communication is exceptional.
rvba 12 hours ago
It does not answer at all. 2000-3000 names per year?
thomashabets2 4 hours ago
As a Swede in London, it's annoying that IKEA staff don't understand you when you pronounce the names correctly.
You have to change letters (e.g. å is not a with an accent. It's a different letter) and read it like you don't know the language.
necovek 4 hours ago
I'd suggest you look at it as funny and not annoying: IKEA in London, being a very multicultural place, likely has many non-native English speakers as well!
When all else fails, you can always go back to the basic international language of gesturing, pointing and acting out the use of something to get to your point. (Or more boringly, point at the name on your phone)
You could also try adapting pronounciation to what they might expect first, and then if you establish a friendly conversation, offer the real Swedish pronounciation next.
It sounds like that would be very much what use of Swedish names in a global brand should invite, and not annoyance for Swedes :)
thomashabets2 3 hours ago
> you can always go back to the basic international language of gesturing,
Doesn't really work for the kind of products they sell. E.g. going to the spare parts place and asking for a replacement part for Mörbylånga or Nackanäs. And I don't know the international gesture for a table. Besides, they have many tables.
I don't think saying "Bläddra", and signing that you're flipping through a book, helps at all either.
> You could also try adapting pronounciation to what they might expect
Right. This is what one has to do. But it feels like if you were to go to Russia and slowly and loudly say "I-ski want-ski a-ski table-ski". Except, you know, not offensive because I have the objectively right way to say it and the staff doesn't.
I'm not saying it's hard to do, but since once you know a language you pretty much cannot go back to hearing and reading it as noise, I stand by that it's a bit annoying to need to simulate how someone else would mispronounce it.
And this is unlike someone experiencing their names constantly mispronounced, because the people who get it wrong literally work for IKEA.
For comparison, say there was an English store in Netherlands, and you would have to look at the spelling every time in order to "simulate" which "s" should become "sch" to make the staff understand you. Saying it the dutch way may, to you, become a tongue twister.
> It sounds like that would be very much what use of Swedish names in a global brand should invite, and not annoyance for Swedes :)
You'd think so, but while a great brand, it causes practical annoyances sometimes.
They have a great selection of products. You could say they have a smörgåsbord of products. Or as you'd have to say in English to be understood, a schmoargoesboard.
jabron 2 hours ago
necovek an hour ago
soco 2 hours ago
As a related anecdote, I found it surprising when I moved to Switzerland decades ago, that speaking high German wouldn't really work with foreign-looking shop assistants - they'd only speak and even understand Swiss German.
amiga386 3 hours ago
This is the mutley crueh story all over again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut
> When Mötley Crüe visited Germany, singer Vince Neil said the band could not figure out why "the crowds were chanting, 'Mutley Cruh! Mutley Cruh!'"
But like those German speakers assumed German orthography, English speakers will assume English orthography when presented with Swedish words.
Only foreign words learned by sound have a chance of getting pronounced correctly, e.g. croissant or Djokovic... maybe even Smörgåsbord?
If there were a British furniture shop operating globally and using placenames for products, British people would have trouble asking the locals for HAWICK (hoik), LOUGHBOROUGH (luffburra), FROME (froom) or YNYSYBWL (anissabul)
ahartmetz 42 minutes ago
They didn't assume German pronunciation without reason. The umlaut dots aren't for decoration in German and ä, ö, ü only sound one way - including in Swedish, which has ä and ö, too. There is no ü in Swedish maybe because the Swedish u sounds like the German ü already.
lostlogin 4 hours ago
> As a Swede in London
At least you’re definitely right.
Try speaking or writing English English to US English natives.
ErroneousBosh 4 hours ago
By extension from Chinese, you could call it "English (Standard)" and "English (Simplified)".
rypskar 3 hours ago
I was surprised at a Jysk in Spain where I used the dialect pronunciation of a Norwegian city (saying Læknes for Leknes) when buying chairs with that name, and the girl not only understood me but used close to the same pronunciation when asking someone to get them from storage
ragazzina 2 hours ago
Do you find ABBA's English pronunciation/phrasing annoying?
throw-the-towel 13 hours ago
This comic used to be viral in Russia in the 2010s: https://m.vk.ru/wall-28208003_16956.
(The dialogue goes, "Somewhere deep inside Ikea HQ: How shall we name the lamp?" "GNVÖERK.")
acka 4 hours ago
I remember that in Dutch product catalogs, IKEA often used the name Gammelgaard (referring to Niels Gammelgaard, a Danish product designer). In Dutch, "gammel" means "rickety. "
mcintyre1994 5 hours ago
Sofas → Swedish place names
Bookshelves → men's names
For Swedes it must be weird to be able to find a product named after yourself and your place!
I’d have guessed they used names that Swedes were less likely to identify with than names of places and people.
eru 4 hours ago
> For Swedes it must be weird to be able to find a product named after yourself and your place!
Plenty of people named Billy in the English speaking world, too.
driese 15 hours ago
The product names have made me chuckle quite a few times in the past. Such an easy way to make your products more likeable.
Also, maybe semi-relevant: I made a small guessing game about the IKEA product catalogue in case someone wants to be lightly entertainment for two minutes [1].
plaidfuji 16 hours ago
This is so random. I had just pulled this exact page up this morning to settle a debate with coworkers over whether the product names were real Swedish words or not. I thought they were all made up!
Was very surprised to find things like “bookshelves are all men’s names”, “all names must have ä, å, or ö”, etc.
Complete coincidence that this is #2 today. Had to check that ’NaOH’ wasn’t one of my coworkers
kzrdude 15 hours ago
A lot of them are Scandi place names, too.
joshdavham 17 hours ago
> preferably contain the letters Å, Ä or Ö
Yes, but why prefer these letters?
I don’t know Swedish. Is it because these diacritics make the names seem more exotic?
Snild 16 hours ago
Those are the letters we have that are distinct from English. Not exotic to us, but yeah, "weird letters" is probably considered part of the international brand now.
By the way, we consider them unique letters, not A and O with diacritics. The Swedish alphabet goes …XYZÅÄÖ.
Oh, and I just learned that we only officially added W in 2006. Before that, it was considered a variant of V. We still pronounce them the same, which is why many swedes will mix them up when speaking English. Mostly in the W->V direction, but I've heard the opposite happen too.
jillesvangurp 7 hours ago
I lived in Sweden in the late nineties. The local phone book had my Dutch name sorted under the V & W section because it has the word 'van' (means of in English) in it. In the Netherlands my name would be in the G section (van Gurp) because otherwise most of the phone book would have to be sorted under the V, which would defeat the purpose of sorting.
amiga386 13 hours ago
> The Swedish alphabet goes …XYZÅÄÖ.
IKEA sold that too: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/306072403869
bonoboTP 16 hours ago
Huh, interesting that they are collated at the end. These differences also makes sorting language dependent.
In Hungarian it's A, Á, B, C, Cs, D, Dz, Dzs, E, É, F... So Cu--- comes before Cs---
vidarh 13 hours ago
xigoi 14 hours ago
devsda 16 hours ago
Not sure why, but when I see certain diacritics with latin alphabet, my brain tries to place the language somewhere in Europe. I don't know if I can call that an exotic feeling but it certainly feels foreign.
vidarh 13 hours ago
Häagen-Dazs is American, but was apparently meant to sound Danish. To a Scandinavian it absolutely doesn't.
bonoboTP 16 hours ago
Scandinavia and the Nordics are quite fancy and refined for Americans. Lagom, hygge, fika, the minimalism, the enlightened equality and solidarity, good education, little crime, highest happiness ratings, even prisons are like hotels, etc makes it a kind of imagined lifestyle that's cozy and thoughtful and so on.
fcatalan 16 hours ago
ErikCorry 16 hours ago
Could also be Vietnamese, they are big on diacritics.
xigoi 14 hours ago
decimalenough 14 hours ago
decimalenough 14 hours ago
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_branding (especially the Foreign Orthography section)
mihaelm 16 hours ago
I guess it helps with emphasizing their Swedish identity, which is one of their goals with naming. Doesn't gel too well with "feels good to say" for a non-native speaker, but I see their point.
z2 7 hours ago
Yeah, given they sell to every continent, I find it utterly impossible they truly tested this with each of the dozens to hundreds of languages their customers speak.
dhosek 16 hours ago
Most likely. In the early 90s there was a knock-off of Ikea called Stør which used the ø for exoticism. I had assumed that it was a Danish company, but apparently, not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STØR (The store where I bought some of my first furniture from—off the 60 in City of Industry—was quite possibly the original location).
nubinetwork 13 hours ago
> knock-off of ikea
We have one called jysk... They're doing alright.
mirmor23 16 hours ago
> I don’t know Swedish. Is it because these diacritics make the names seem more exotic?
of course. Haagen Dazs, Motorhead, etc have known it loooong ago
HoldOnAMinute 16 hours ago
Pöyzen Böyzen
elwell 16 hours ago
Yës
qurren 15 hours ago
Why not rename to IKEÅ ?
decimalenough 14 hours ago
tstenner 16 hours ago
You mean öf cårse?
joshdavham 16 hours ago
arnarbi 10 hours ago
ButlerianJihad 16 hours ago
röck döts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut
A møøse once bit my sister...
DonHopkins 16 hours ago
I raise you an em-dash —̈ with an umlaut!
Suck on that, AI Slop Detector!
(Confession and question for dang: I actually used an LLM to generate that unicode composite to copy and paste —̈ is that against HN guidelines?)
MarceliusK 6 hours ago
I always assumed the names were mostly random Swedish words picked for the vibe. The fact that there's a taxonomy behind them makes it much funnier somehow
stillpointlab 13 hours ago
One of my go-to dad jokes is to see Ikea furniture at someone's house and ask "Is that a möstliglü [table|cabinet|etc]?"
unwind 5 hours ago
I'm firmly in camp dad joke, but since Ü is a German letter that is not part of the Swedish alphabet, may I suggest you learn how to say RÄKSMÖRGÅS and update the joke?
The patched version might even work on some Swedish-speakers if you nail the pronounciation! :)
Xirdus 17 hours ago
> preferably contain the letters Å, Ä or Ö
I always thought it's just a natural consequence of using Swedish language, turns out it's on purpose!
nine_k 16 hours ago
Swedish does naturally use a lot of letters with umlauts (e.g. a common plural suffix -är), so a noun with a special letter is usually not hard to come by, and looks more Swedish (than, say, Dutch or English, which are sort of cousin languages).
BrandoElFollito an hour ago
This comments section was one of the most entertaining (and weirdly instructive!) I ever read.
bberkgaut 4 hours ago
I learned (some) Swedish at age of 35 and it was quite a moment when IKEA product names became meaningful to me. Plate PLATE, fun!
Pretty much like when as a kid I learned enough of English to realize all those songs around actually have lyrics, pretty dumb sometimes
bigupthewhole 4 hours ago
My first memory of being angry with not knowing English was when we were trying to read the pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh cards and I clearly remember it being gibberish. Otherwise it's difficult to remember what it was like to not know a skill before you learned it, at least it is for me.
wowczarek 15 hours ago
Ever since I heard this song, it now always plays in my head whenever IKEA comes up - have a listen while reading:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4si8w8WMFc
(Rob Paravonian - Particle Board) - of Dr. Demento, etc., fame.
samdbmg 15 hours ago
If you ever find yourself in southern Sweden (or Copenhagen and fancy a train ride across a cool bridge) the IKEA museum at Älmhult is well worth a visit: https://ikeamuseum.com/en/
te0006 14 hours ago
I was there three days ago, can comfirm. And if you want to stay overnight, you _of course_ sleep in the neighbouring IKEA Hotel! And if you check-in to the hotel first, you‘ll get a voucher for free entrance to the museum. Did I mention that an absolutely excellent breakfast is included in the very reasonable room rate? And in case you visit the museum in the near future, they currently have a special (temporary) exhibition about IKEA's founder, Ingvar Kamprad, who was a very creative but also exceptionally socially and environmentally responsible entrepreneur. Nice contrast to today's appalling tech billionaires.
neom 13 hours ago
For future person who also thinks...wait...IKEA has a hotel...?? Indeed:
https://www.ikeahotell.com/en/about-us/
https://www.fastcompany.com/91529069/what-its-like-to-stay-i...
British lad giving a review/tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trcUc9ILYqI
fph 4 hours ago
But, in common with today's tech billionaires, ties to the Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingvar_Kamprad#Fascist_involve...
jonplackett 15 hours ago
My Swedish friend told me they make the more expensive things to sound more Swedish and the cheaper stuff to sound Norwegian.
Any speakers of either language able to confirm or deny?
ano-ther 15 hours ago
This article from 2018 claims the same (and that Danish sounding names are rugs and floormats): https://www.worldnomads.com/in-the-news/the-hidden-message-i...
xiaodai 6 hours ago
Not with AI that's for sure
Markoff 4 hours ago
Hoven means Excrements in Czech (in 2nd case)
So when IKEA had Hoven sale - Doprodej Hoven (Excrements sale), people were amused
https://www.lidovky.cz/byznys/ikea-narazila-s-nazvy-vyrobku-...
so much for "Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages"
yokoprime 14 hours ago
Bedroom and living room furniture is named after Norwegian places
dvaplima 17 hours ago
Nice, How to use that strategy for software? But first It makes sense?
Frieren 16 hours ago
> preferably contain the letters Å, Ä or Ö
I'm 100% för this.
dvaplima 15 hours ago
Hahaha for sure
bchapuis 14 hours ago
As someone named after an IKEA chair, I can testify I took no offense while assembling myself. https://manuall.co.uk/ikea-bertil-chair/
culebron21 16 hours ago
https://zagge.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/13333008.jpg
Translation:
Somewhere inside IKEA.
- How do we call the table lamp?
- GNVOERKdofm 16 hours ago
I had assumed it involved a dartboard.
jansan 16 hours ago
I love how the chose Verde, which means value, for their long time retired kitchen furniture. They were so good that they still sell above their original retail prices now.
nine_k 16 hours ago
I hope that green items are especially prized!
junaru 16 hours ago
> Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages, political or religious affiliations and fit into our global profile.
Hey Donna [1]...
close04 17 hours ago
> Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, had a hard time remembering numbers and numbers
And also numbers I assume. Does it mean something like “endless stream of numbers”?
I’m very surprised that they have 2000-3000 new products every year. Checking every name against every language of countries they operate in to avoid “bad” names must be a pain.
Snild 16 hours ago
The Swedish version of the page just says "siffror" (literally "digits", but colloquially "numbers") once.
I'm not aware of any relevant Swedish expression that would repeat the same word like that. Maybe something like "siffror och tal", where both words could be translated as "numbers" by someone not paying attention to the resulting sentence. :)
red75prime 16 hours ago
A subdivision of people who know every obscenity in the world would be chuckleworthy, but I guess they use a validation program.
ButlerianJihad 16 hours ago
Well, that institutional knowledge has been accumulated, held, and passed down through generations of DMV workers in the USA.
devmor 16 hours ago
victorbjorklund 16 hours ago
Seems like a mistake. No expression like that in Swedish at least.
whalesalad 16 hours ago
I figured they just let a Dala horse walk around on top of a bunch of keyboards and whatever string comes out is the new name?
zer00eyz 16 hours ago
I always just thought Swedish had a lot of words for "crap".
Ikea used to make somewhat reasonable and affordable products, that, in total were much higher quality than their price point suggested.
Now they are just cheap, on almost every metric.
lnsru 14 hours ago
The thing is that recent products are crappy. I got so many decades old secondhand things. They looked like regular old furniture and it was fine. Then I continued buying same things, but new. While the old furniture didn’t change at all the new pieces became yellow/brown after couple tears. We don’t smoke!!! It was a nightmare and I don’t buy IKEA products anymore.
greatgib 11 hours ago
Sometimes it works and name are weird, nice and fun. But sometimes, quite a lot, I think that it is counter productive because the name is hard to remember, spell or say if local language.
So in the end, hard to say to a seller or type on the part screen the name of what you want. Most of the time you will not be able to remember what was the name of the thing and have to look around and find by categories to find again what you are looking for. And forgot the name already 3 days after. And actually i was multiple time annoyed by that. For example, look at the baby changing table name: ÄLSKVÄRD.
Also, hard to remember/pronounce name make it that often you are lost and confused between multiple names that doesn't make any sense to you like HFEREZR versus HORCRUX.
One case that frustrated me a lot is: good luck finding which white cabinet door you need to buy between VEDDINGE and VALLSTENA that are 99,9% the same, and have the same description on ikea website and shops... In the warehouse you are looking for it, you look for the thing starting with the V, like VA...VII... something, and you find VEDDINGE. Was it this one i needed to be or another name similar?
jltsiren 10 hours ago
I think your actual issue is that spelling and pronunciation are too inconsistent in your native language. With a more consistent language, it's pretty easy to remember foreign words and names using the pronunciation in your native language, assuming that the letters are mostly the same. You don't need to understand the word or know the correct pronunciation (though both obviously help).
slybot 6 hours ago
> Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages, political or religious affiliations and fit into our global profile
If I remember correctly, they had a desk named "JERKER" in early 2000s.
mikae1 6 hours ago
That's (sadly) a Swedish name, yes.
villeb2 5 hours ago
I think it's a pretty cool name. But it's pronounced more like "Yeah"-rker.
necovek 4 hours ago
ErroneousBosh 4 hours ago
I worked with a guy called Jerker at IBM in Greenock, who soon learned to give back as good as he got. Swedish people can be pretty sarcastic, so he was what you'd call a "good cultural fit".
cobbzilla 3 hours ago
iirc they had a light bulb named TEST. like, I want a real bulb not a test one.
theginger 3 hours ago
The GÖÅTSE toilet seat? For some reason their little thumbs up / down icon made me think of this.
yipinwong 13 hours ago
> Bookshelves → men's names
That's sexist. Saying women don't read books? /s
TheExaltd4 17 hours ago
Maybe