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> the genai content on the website is just so distracting and such a bummer

That's harsh. Consider English might not be the author's first language (I see Chinese on the screenshots). Just opening the site I get all the info I need from the text (local first, no account, no telemetry, that's great), install instructions are immediately visible, there are screenshots, even the config file format is one scroll away. This is a great landing page for an open source tool.

This website still would have taken at least a week to make. It’s pretty nice for an open source project website.

Between no website and shiny but crappy LLM website, I’ll take the latter, and I wouldn’t wish another 2 weeks of unpaid copy writing on any open source dev.

Before AI you'd be saying it's a great website for a free and open source app.

Yeah even if the software is good there's just something sad about realizing you're reading AI generated text. Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort, moreso when the content gets duplicated in a pointless FAQ that just restates everything you just read

Nothing wrong with the AI website but it suggests the code is AI too.

Nothing wrong with AI code either but it suggests the project may have been built in 2 weeks, has no community and low likelihood of ongoing maintenance.

So now overall instead of a flashy website I think the best signal of quality is a boring GitHub README and several months of commit activity, lots of merged PRs.

I reads like a corporate driver page. I'd much prefer a simple git repo with a readme.md

A "nice site" was a proxy metric for "thoughtful competence". It was always flawed, but LLMs put the final nail in that particular coffin.

bellard.org style text-only, get-to-the-point-please content will the way forwards. "browsers" can then style and rewrite it till the cows come home - with fancy slideshows, LLMisms, carrousels, the works - or not and nobody will be worse off.

The way we structure content these days is insane. Separate content from presentation, please.

It seems the project is actually aware of this:

> Quit Logi Options+ before launching: the two fight over HID++ access, and only one app can own a receiver at a time. On Linux, the same applies to Solaar.

Solaar is fantastic software. Not worth replacing with slop even if the slop looks shiny.

So you trusted 22-year-old coffee junkies copying and pasting from stack overflow 10 years ago but when a language model does it it's suddenly offensive? We should be instead celebrating how we have a mini software company at our fingertips ready to fix the broken hobbyist shit we've never had time for. OpenLogi is a perfect example of this use case and that it's open source makes it more trustworthy not less.

Now if only there was one for Razer.

You shouldn't trust open source software because it is open source. You should trust open source software because it has been audited, and only when it has been audited by people you trust (it may be yourself).

Whether it's vibe-coded or not doesn't change that. If it is vibe-coded and unreadable, how is it different from manually-written and unreadable? If it is vibe-coded and readable, how is it different from manually-written and readable?

Judge the code by its quality, not by its provenance.

I judge it on a case-by-case basis by just looking at a few recent commits and the feel of clicking a few files in the repo. For OpenLogi I get the wrong type of vibe code vibes and at the very least that means the project might become an unmaintainable mess in a year and that means I don't want to come to rely on it. At worst it means security vulnerabilities.

That being said: I wouldn't really trust SaaS to not be vibe-coded either. The only difference there is that SaaS likely has a financial incentive to stay maintainable so you could argue that helps.

> because they have the reputation.

reputation of what? sucking your soul dry?

What makes you think big SaaS is not vibecoded?

Ask your AI of choice to audit the codebase.

I believe it varies; since it's merely a productivity tool, why not use it? However, if it's essential software that your business relies on, probably not.

> But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded?

If I think tool/software would be useful I throw GLM 5.2 (now 5.3) at it and ask to do an audit ;-)

I don't see the issue. The beauty of OSS is that you can audit the code yourself and evaluate it according to your standards.

Do you trust all OSS repos coded before 2024? AI-generated code is no different than code written by a human with different levels of seniority, different levels of focus, or different levels of discipline. A human is perfectly capable of generating spaghetti code too.

On the other hand, it's also much less effort to do at least some rudimentary review.

Or make a fork with only the minimim set of parts that your agent cherry picks.

write code by hand then

great effort ? bro just sniff the traffic and feed into Claude.

> But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded?

I guess my question is, why would you trust it when it is not vibe coded?

My suggestion is, have an AI review the code for you.

Code is simply math. It either works or it does not. Does your calculator work? Then use it. Does your AI agent of choice produce code that works? Then use it.

Or don't. It's up to you. You're as free to walk away as you are to embrace what's been made here.

Of course the Logitech mouse can be plugged and will just work without installation. The software allows to customize buttons, macros, DPI ranges, lights, etc. Still sucks, but it's not really needed to make it work or use it.

Simple mouses have simple interfaces and its functions are built into the OS. These mouses are a little bit beyond simple. These are ten button interfaces. So there is the default programming. And custom programming. The software is for custom programming.

Another alternative is a utility called xmouse.

> In my Linux boxes, I just plug in a standard mouse and get the standard functions.

That'll work with Logitech mice too. It's only for all the extra buttons and functions that you need their software.

https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar has been around for quite some time and works well.

Logitech's offline installer is 1.2GB. This application's installer is 15.3MB.

Seems nuts that you would go through the trouble of air gapping a system then use a Bluetooth keyboard.

I maintain a homebrew tap for the offline Options+: https://github.com/gohanlon/homebrew-tap

The tap includes a GH action to track upstream releases (as long as I notice the PR!). Also, the offline version only compensates for some of the issues with Options+.

It's a sad state of affairs that a mouse settings program isn't 'offline' by default. Except maybe an update check it has zero needs to be online.

Oh it’s not just the site—the app is obviously LLM generated too and feels like it. I gave up and went back to Mos within 20 minutes.

Does it matter? People get caught up on LLM this and sure, a professional beats an LLM currently but I'd rather read some well written LLM text over some poorly written human effort

People realize, but writing good technical prose is hard and a separate skill.

it's pretty much "load bearing" at this point.

You use a coding agent to make and app? Straight to jail. Language server? Jail. Syntax highlighting? Believe it or not, jail.

I think this sentiment deserves its own serious discussion. It probably won't happen for another few years when the emotions and defensiveness settle, but there's a separate problem happening from quality. Quantity is its own problem. Whether or not any of these hourly new product announcements are any good, nobody can possibly try 24 different pieces of software a day, let alone switch to actually using them. So all we get are superficial heuristic analyses basically amounting to either "cool, this looks vaguely similar to something I might want" or "AI;DR."

Agentic coding will do for indie software what dating apps did for human relationships. Animal brains are not equipped to deal with having this much choice.

I've been a trackpad proponent for years, but with Steermouse I've been able to dial in my MX Master so perfectly that I find myself missing it when I travel.

What really took it to the next level for me were adding chord mappings. For example I can hold right mouse button + scroll the thumb wheel to adjust volume. So convenient!

This is my favorite. It Just Works with every mouse I throw at it and supports a ludicrous amount of button customization.

Not being open source is the thing that the program in the article fixes. You want the goal of the software-writer to be producing a good tool, not using the software as a means to turn a profit. That's how you get the turd being replaced by the tool in the article

The code is right here: https://github.com/AprilNEA/OpenLogi

What makes you say this is stolen from LinearMouse?

i can see the resemblence and that's what separates the more marketable app.

You can't vibe things better. You vibe them shinny, but often make them worst.

There's also BetterMouse for macOS. I use it with a Logitech mouse and it works very well. https://better-mouse.com/

I'm curious if OpenLogi might be better. Despite the vibecoding accusations here, it has 55 contributors, is open source and seems well designed.

BetterTouchTool is on my list of things to look into for a long time.

Was not aware it is even possible to replace the shitty logitech surveillance software. thanks for the tip!

Can you give maybe an example of a `funky stuff` for the mouse, like those touchpad gestures? i cant think of any, just to get an idea

I've had a paid licence for it for many years but I have ended up shying away from using it because the UI is just so cumbersome. An incredibly powerful piece of software though.

Last time I checked the underlying daemon, libratbag, didn't have support for the G502X wireless mouse and although there were Issues and Pull Requests open, no movement had been made towards getting those in.

Mouser is so bad at leaking memory i had to go back to Logi Options+ on my Mac...

I once heard a story about an old Logitech webcam driver in windows. Once it was installed, it would always scan for the webcam and if it wasn’t detected it would write to an error log. So if you set up the webcam once and then got rid of it without uninstalling the driver it would always dump logs upon logs. Eventually a user had their entire disk space filled and when they dug into it they found a single tens or hundreds of GB log file. Uninstalling the driver fixed it.

You love having to replace your mouse regularly because Logitech intentionally uses shit switches to force people to keep buying their products?

Typically the wireless mice connect over noon-bluetooth wireless protocols and offer bluetooth as fallback, if at all.

Click-to-screen latency is a combination of reporting rate, polling rate and latency within the software stack. Default USB HID polling rate is 125Hz so if you don't do anything extra on top this is what you get anyway. Even higher grade "office" mice offer higher reporting rates than that, "gaming" mice can easily be 1 kHz.

I always thought this is a rule of thumb, but then I learned that wireless gamepads for popular consoles (back then it was PS3/PS4 era) don't really follow that pattern. I came across multiple tests where older wireless PS controllers and xbox controllers were consistently more responsive in practice.

For modern ones there are some cool posts like this one [1], where most of the time there "were no statistically significant difference", or even wireless was more responsive.

Gamepads always impressed me - they can deliver insanely good response times while streaming high quality audio with no lag. I never found other BT accessories for phones/computers that were even close to that smooth experience.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired...

For pro gaming perhaps the difference would make the slightest difference. For casuals, let alone office workers, the difference is 0 (writing this with a mx master 4 next to me).

Saying this as someone who has tried dozens of mice in my life. Last corded-one, bought for my son yesterday (razer cobra minecraft edition). I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between wired and wireless in a blind test.

or you can just use wifi dongle one

there is no reason not to, even pro player in esports is using wireless mouse

the technology is there even for top 1%

Logitech mice and keyboards have extra features that the OS would consider non-standard; you can customize a lot of behaviors as well as map extra buttons to specific actions. For some reason, Logitech decided not to store customization settings on-device so there is a background daemon that must run on the host. Also inexplicably, it is an electron app with a 600MB install footprint requiring online connectivity (apparently there's also an offline version, weighing in at 1.2GB). Also not available on Linux.

You usually don’t _need_ it but there are a couple things you can’t do without it. Pairing a mouse/kb to their usb receiver for example is not possible without it.

I use the Master MX 3s specifically because of the "gestures" button, it was mandatory for me to replace using the trackpad. It's basically a thumb button you can press and combine with a mouse gesture to do the same thing as finger gestures on the trackpad. I mainly use the gestures left/right (to switch between full screen apps/main dektop) and up (mission control) but it's all configurable. It also has an horizontal scroll wheel that's very useful when using Excel or DB viewers.

I much prefer a mouse (I use the MX Vertical) to a trackpad for long periods of time at my desk.

Cmd+Scroll for zoom in/out, Ctrl+Left/Right arrows to switch spaces. It's not a fun as the trackpad, but those are things i don't do that often.

Looks like this is for the "Logi" high end office series. They use different software for some reason, I guess Logitech thinks their customers don't want to see anything gaming related in their app because it looks unprofessional.

Well... yeah, at this point you can stop expecting pre-build binaries of new softwares for pre-ARM Macs

Always this type of guy will spawn in any HN thread > Logitech Mouse software > bUt I dOnT usE mOusE foR yEArs

Can someone kill this chatbot account?