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> Model router is also a natural home for llm security - OpenRouter has the beginnings of prompt injection detection

Maybe I'm biased from the perspective of a "harness provider", but I think Model routers often have too little context to act as well-informed prompt injection prevention. e.g. it lacks context of where which part of the message(s) originates from and sanitization/safeguards were already performed on the application layer.

Something like OpenRouter's "flag" mode is fine, but usage of auto-redact or auto-block should really only be used if there is significant risk exposure through your harness or otherwise they are a constant source of bugs.

noob q -- does the routing hurt cache hit rate?

I have been using openrouter only superficially. I didn’t know about the broacasting feature. Thanks for that.

They might be popular for indie developers, but nobody doing serious AI or in a corporate environment is using them.

And if they are, their compliance team is about to strike them down. The VCs forcing this acquisition do know this.

- Why would you add a penalty of 50 ms at a minimum? And that is not the p95... Just run LiteLLM in house and you dont even really need that.

- Their capacity pools are shared across the whole user base, a massive batch processing by another of their customers and think what that means for your response time...

- So instead of negotiating corporate rates with OpenAI or Anthropic, you would be using an intermediary and topping up the corporate credit card... for a 5% markdown ? Really?

- They can see all your critical corporate data on the in and out

- They present some pink SOC 2 promises but then wash their hands and defer to you and the providers. Its just the Bolt and Uber model the drivers are not our employees....

- They are a man in the middle proxy that is a massive security liability for your corporation

- They have no support for private cloud points

- No geofencing guarantees

- No intellectual property legal indemnification unlike what AWS or Microsoft or Google offers

- Its a provider roulette inconsistent with hosts providing different quantization levels causing random shifts in response quality

- Support via a Discord server...

The only reason they were not shutdown yet by Anthropic or OpenAI is because they have the same VCs, as those two. That would mean said VCs investment would go to zero. Oh and those are the same VCs that own Stripe...

Just setup a private proxy tier using something like LiteLLM, even if you really dont need it. Just code your enterprise apps to have have fallback loops on the core hyperscaler providers like AWS Bedrock or Azure Foundry...

> features of OpenRouter that make it more than just a model selection and routing endpoint

All those features show it's just a model selector and router.

This seems like something xAi could reproduce in a weekend

And don't get me started on Sesame!

I think it is fitting because they provide „all“ models independent from the provider. Open in this sense means to me being open to switch the model, speed and provider at any time.

I used to demand the same but a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, eg OpenMind means something specific. Open{$IT-term} does not necessarily mean Open Source {$IT-term} and OpenAI might mean an AI available to all people, not implying anything about cost. What could be illegal is the word Free, which a for-profit company would never use in the first place.

Someone noted they pass through 100 billion annually if I remember correctly, but they also take a 5.5% cut, so Stripe secures them as a “customer” while getting their money back over time. It also to me feels like an adjacent business aligned with sort of what Stripe already does to begin with, being someone elses middle man.

I've been using OpenRouter since relatively early (I build evvl.ai - an eval platform on top of it) and think that they're selling at a good time.

An underpinning of their model is that API calls / inference are similar across providers allowing for commodity tokenization cost comparisons, but the providers are beginning to shift to non commodity features that don't easily shift.

For instance, calling Gemini with "search grounding" isn't something that OpenRouter can do (they sub their own web search in), last I checked they weren't doing real time voice models, etc.

I think it has to be more than just a 'proxy' what Stripe bought.

Stripe and every other big company could build this without any issues.

It either is just a really stupid business decision or it is about the name. The only model proxy i know is OpenRouter despite plenty of other model proxies existing.

> Turns out even a proxy can be worth $8bn with the right business model behind it.

People said a similar thing for Cursor simply being a VSCode wrapper for when it crossed unicorn status.

It's a very straightforward business model and they started just in time to become popular as there are hundreds of alternatives out there.

I also congratulate the founders for pulling this off.

Given the costs of the providers I doubt that sharing the revenue is a win for them.

They are fighting to be the one and only

Probably the main EU alternative to Openrouter is actually https://requesty.ai, more fully featured and equivalent model access.

Awesome will check this out. EUrouter is too cost prohibitive for me, and now that open router has been acquired by stripe it’s only a matter of time until it’s unusable

They seem to be about twice as expensive on a few openweight models I've checked.

Thanks for the suggestion.

OpenSea is full of scams, has not added any real value to anyone or society.

DOn't get me wrong, great for him to make money and being able to move fast and succeed, but you could play this game to if you want.

How is that a problem that's unique to openrouter? Who's to say when I query the Anthropic API directly, wanting to use Opus, but they determine it doesn' need Opus, route it to Sonnet instead and pocket the difference? The only difference with openrouter is that it's another layer where this type of fraud could occur.

Yes, it is awfully inconsistent today. They run some tests (accuracy table buried on model page) but they are sparse and only capture a single moment in time. I would love to see OpenRouter take this more seriously.

Every token/llm provider already has usage metering...so not sure what exactly you're imagining stripe adds here

IDK, that sounds like a solution in search of a problem. What would be different about this than what OpenRouter is currently doing with pricing?

It's not just that.

As user agents become more common it's only natural that they will be used for taking the heavy lifting out of e-commerce purchases. There will be a big need for digital payments to verify and reconcile these purchases.

With LLMs that are plugged into digital payments we will essentially have buying agents in our pocket that can find us exactly what we want for the cheapest price and the quickest delivery.

At some point AI will be able to deal with the repetitive and template based parts of accounting better than accounting.

Which is saying a lot.

I built modelrelay.ai that does this. Happy to give you an invite code if you want to play with it.

>I need to say that corporate consolidation is never good for consumers.

Truer words, never spoken. I'm not sure how exactly this will screw me over -but I do know that it will.

curious as a non-user, but what does openrouter have to do with stripe? Ignoring the corpo-speak about mission statement.. the missions don't really seem aligned in reality.

That's a rule but then Stripe won the market by having very friendly interface and minimizing the pain of dealing with paperwork for merchants. When PayPal (the worst offender, just hostile company) acquired BrainTree it was clearly a terrible news. When Stripe acquires OpenRouter I wouldn't be so sure.

This must a purely aesthetic judgment apriori. Many services of value to me failed for lack of capital.

The open router team was good people with a good product. Hopefully they can move on with their lives

It's a mostly equity offer. Private capital is always more risky than publicly traded shares so probably less than $7bn risk adjusted, which makes sense for Stripe.

What's good about their DevEx?

They charge a premium of 10%. I would imagine that's a lot of revenue.

Or rather, Stripe will find a way to make me pay for it as a Stripe and OpenRouter customer.

They get paid the same either way, Openrouter takes their cut and passes it onto the consumer. And anyone with an Openrouter account has already escaped from their proprietary moat. So for those who have expressed a clear preference for provider-agnostic model infrastructure, do you want to just wall yourself away from them forever?

And per the rankings [0] 18.2% of the tokens sold through went to OpenAI [1]. 3.8% for Anthropic though. Google's up there at 23.4% primarily because GCP/Vertex/whatever they're offering is a billing nightmare and the only way to set a hard cap and sure you won't wake up the next day with a $10k bill is via OR.

[0] https://openrouter.ai/rankings#market-share

[1] Although gpt-oss 20b and 120b are indexed as 'openai' because they're the creator even though they don't serve gpt-oss via openrouter. But neither are in the top 20 of models this month, while Luna and Sol are.

They already sell API access to the model on Google/Microsoft/Amazon cloud. OpenRouter is the same deal. Note that the labs are not giving out model weights to OpenRouter. They are just selling tokens.

When the market settles down, most of the money is going to be in bulk inference, for batch jobs. In 5 years everyone's laptop will be able to run Qwen 3.8 27B for coding tasks, but businesses will still need to run inference 24/7. Very few people will still need SOTA models once you can run an Opus 4.6 class model on your laptop.

It’s a marketplace with a markup on every token they sell. And I’d rather go to this shop, than sign up individually at the 70+ different providers they broker access to - even if it comes with a price.

Frontier model providers (Anthropic et al.) gate new accounts to impractically low rate limits and spending caps until clients unlock higher limits with cumulative usage, make equivalent cash deposits up front, or talk to a Sales department to work out some other arrangement. They are handicapped by the postpaid billing model.

It's an administrative burden to sign up very every model provider, and there are many independent inference providers now that serve only open source models.

OpenRouter provides a useful service by allowing easy prepaid model access with much higher rate limits, and they also aggregate different model providers to route queries by price, latency, etc.

I don't think they are.

Just because some Higher Ups in Stripe bought this, doesn't mean its that valuable.

It can easily be, that Stripe can just afford it and think that they are part of the big boys and thats just what companies cost today.

It could be that Stripe really really like the brand name and all the positive notion of it.

It could be that Stripe doesn't want to build this from scratch in a timefrime of 1 year or 2 because Stripe might be too corporate to be able to do startup stuff.

Stripe has quite a high motivation to leverage agents thoguh because they are preparing for Agents which will buy through stripe. They already provide the SKU backend and support the agent payment stuff.

I don’t understand it, but good for OpenRouter. Personally, I think OpenRouter’s value is somewhat perishable. In the early AI market where there are a jillion models and anew one every week, it’s great to be able to try them all without having to create accounts and keys for each one. OpenRouter, which I use, makes this easy for developers to do. Add some cost controls and other “management” knobs and it works great. But the market is not going to be this frothy forever. As things settle down and commoditize, the value of switching on a dime diminishes as people lock into their favorite models. And with the OpenAI and Anthropic APIs being defacto standards for how to talk to models, it’s easy enough to switch to another model every so often, as long as you aren’t doing it multiple times per week. The other alternative is that OpenRouter stays in the mix but its pricing gets ground down and down. If it’s (nearly) free and still adds some value, fine. But that doesn’t justify $7B. So, yea, I don’t get it from Stripe’s perspective.

Read Ben Thompson to understand aggregation theory. Many of the largest internet companies, like Google and Amazon, are simply aggregators. OpenRouter is an aggregator of AI tooling. Stripe itself was just a convenience layer on top of merchant gateways (another aggregator). OpenRouter is so big they can negotiate special contracts with OpenAI for special rates.

They're selling shovels during a gold rush with a 5% markup

It's a simple marketplace and they control a ton of the demand side who trust them to find the best price and providers that work. The value is huge to users - one place, multiple models, providers bid for the traffic and the user doesn't have to think about anything. The value they hold hostage against providers is gargantuan - nice model there it'd be a real shame if none of our users used it.

I don't see how stripe adds any value here (and I've had such terrible experience with stripe automatically breaking my stuff I am worried I can't trust openrouter now) but I can see stripe wanting to be in the middle of any two people giving each other money on the internet and this is squarely (lol) that.

It's Netflix before the unbundling happened

You can save money and get higher uptime. Without it using a cheap provider for open models would be risky because they might go down a lot, but routers can detect that and instantly switch to a different provider. They basically take away all your exposure.

The other thing is convenience and centralized security from using one gateway to access everything. It's a lot better than having to deal with N accounts with separate limits and monitoring. And giving your payment details to one company instead of 20 is obviously safer.

Investors like them because the pricing is inherently usage based so there's zero risk of clients using more tokens than what they paid for. Guaranteed profit as long as they can keep a modest amount of customers.

The art of good business is being a good middleman

On acquisition pricing: Why smarter AI models could drive up compute prices 10x (at least temporarily). [0] This seems mind blowing, but the big boys seem to be behaving as if it's directionally true.

If compute is constrained and expensive, OpenRouter is what you'll use to get around the constraints at individual providers.

[0] https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/2084333160075055122?s=20

OpenRouter allows you to have 1 API key to access hundreds of models across dozens of providers.

Can’t explain the valuation since everything in this space is rationally overvalued, but I don’t think OpenRouters valuation is that surprising, all things considered.

Contend of the LLM calls.

Distribution is a big moat and value-add.

If you stick "AI" anywhere in your product pitch you get to stick a few extra zeroes on your valuation that has been pulled from your ass which you then sell to feckless VCs looking to swallow the world before the bubble pops

PE is desperately competing other PE to get into the promise of some AI thingy NOW?

Just guessing. The frenzy around popular, good already, and successful services with the corporate crap flowing from this acquisition announcement too is appalling. The "what's best for you, the user" heavy emphasis when this would be inherently evident in any honest service forecasts the opposite.

Some highlights from one of my agents asked for a no bullshit evaluation:

"By buying OpenRouter, they own the routing layer that decides which model gets called and at what price."

"Stripe wants to be the economic infrastructure for AI — meaning they want to be the toll booth and the traffic cop for the entire AI economy."

"... insider market intelligence that OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google don't fully have. Stripe would now have it."

"The $7B+ price is absurd on any financial metric, but this isn't a financial acquisition — it's a strategic positioning play to own the platform layer of the next computing paradigm."

"140x revenue multiple: At ~$50M revenue, this is not a financial valuation. It's a strategic land grab — buying the chokepoint before someone else does."

I do not feel a particularly strong smell of 'best for the user' here for some reason... More like the usual 'how do we squeeze out more for our PE folks from this' kind of scent.

They get all your prompts, the LLMs companies only some

Tokens are just a type of currency. Stripe is a middleman for currency.

Using something like OpenRouter (or any of the AI Gateways) is better than tying yourself to one LLM provider that can rug pull on pricing or change models in a way you don't like.

The value is in the network effect I think. OpenRouter is popular and has a good head start over anything Stripe could build internally.

I suspect only a very small subset users are sophisticated/interested enough to do that for themselves on a regular basis. More will likely hop between agents based on cost and the perceived nature of the task, without hard data (or an orchestrator model) to support that decision.

In the second case OpenRouter is very useful; in the first case, maybe it’s an area they move into in time - providing and owning/optimising the orchestrator?

> reasons to route LLM queries at large scale?

Convenience. Paying only one provider, but get access to different models hosted around the world. Need a model for a project where latency matters? EU hosted and ZDR for another customer? Cheapest for personal use?

You get everything under one roof.

same with cursor - which was submitted multiple times:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34423387

are there more examples of this? a bit of an HN anti-portfolio. good reminder to others.

What does window.ai have to do with OpenRouter? I don't use either, so your link confuses me.

I kinda expected it's filled with comments telling him how stupid the idea is..

That’s the difference between a priori and a posteriori knowledge.

that subject line is pretty bad though.

(i know much of it is a crap shoot and easy to quarterback on Monday morning.)

What a good find! Makes me feel better about my projects that get zero traction here.

What open banking? I can't even get a read-only token for my personal use to see the balance on my account and I sit two team calls away from people who cooked the API

Every single Open Banking implementation I know also requires everyone to go through a useless certified middleman (eg. Plaid, GoCardless, ...) instead of letting people use the APIs directly

One problem here with the protocols is the field isn't yet so stable. Most people are copying OpenAI's endpoint, and so you have "OpenAI compatible", but there are always little hairs on it. Case in point, OpenAI itself no longer offers multiple basic inference options on their new models. Can't pass temp, get back logits, etc. on anything after GPT 4.1. It's not a total zoo and Open Router is pretty easy but everything is just enough a special snowflake that models aren't a commodity. Maybe later though.

Open banking protocols exist and are widely used but they’re called crypto, which everyone on HN hates for some reason

Feels the same - businesses from pizza shops to eCommerce sites will be arguing with not their credit card provider about transaction fees, but their AI provider (who supports all 3 major networks, including Discovai, Clankers Club Aierican Express

Curious on what OpenRouter's true moat is? It's just an LLM API routing framework, right?

Minor nitpick: don’t confuse sales with negotiations.

Negotiations start when sales is done.

These were highly capable negotiators.

But most likely also good salesmen.

If you meant that generally: because productivity is increasing; the world is getting richer. Not all of it flows down, but some does; top SV salaries are up too. By a lot.

edit: Inflation does not account for the observed growth.

Corollary to this is that whenever companies acquire smaller companies and lay off the small company's sales teams, they deserve what they get. Looking at you, big company that turned my last one from nearly a billion valuation into a $20M fire sale in 3-4 years.

It's just the same VCs moving money from one pocket to the other.

The software is "easy", it's the business and operations that are hard: scaling the infrastructure reliably; finding revenue sources with secure margins; deflecting regulatory and risks responsibility; billing and collecting on massive low-margin high-volume transactions; enterprise sales; etc

It's a business line more suited to finance, law, sales, and accounting people than tech people and a pretty laborious one. That's often the case when the tech looks "easy" but the sector only seems to have a few big winners.

It's hard.

- They support 400 different models, 80 different providers, and an unlimited number of new custom agents. Every single model, provider, and agent, has its own weirdness that has to be accounted for. Tool calls change by model. Effort changes by model. Backend APIs (messages, responses, etc) change by provider. There are thousands of specific tweaks, fixes, hacks, that need to be implemented to make this thing "just work". And you have to keep updating it all, weekly.

- On top of that, they support providers running in multiple countries, which increases the legal, logistical, financial, and networking complexity.

- On top of that, they need to figure out pricing and deals with providers, and ensure the providers allocate the necessary networking and compute capacity. They need to work with providers directly to troubleshoot and fix all kinds of issues, from networking to application.

- On top of that, they implement multiple kinds of request routers. An auto router to route your request to the best general model, a fusion model to attempt the request on multiple models and pick the best response, a pareto router to route requests to the best coding model for your request.

- On top of that, they build custom features that businesses and users want, like Data Loss Prevention (which I'm blown away they actually provide for free). Lots of very useful business functionality for managing not only what model and provider to use, but also limits on usage, filters, etc. They also implement SSO, prompt injection guardrails, logging/auditing, workspaces, etc.

- On top of that, you have to be very good at just implementing HTTP APIs. Most people aren't good at it. API design is hard, HTTP is way more complicated than it seems, network traffic shaping is a black art.

- On top of that, running applications and infrastructure, and scaling it 10x every year, is a subtle yet critical skill. No matter how good your code is, it's pointless without working hardware/running apps.

- On top of that, they provide a generous free tier, which has to be subsidized, and is probably only partially subsidized by providers.

Why pay for this rather than build one? Because there's no sense in building one. There's a reason restaurants don't build their own factories to manufacture their own pots and pans. Their business isn't selling pots and pans, it's selling people cooked steak. It's a bad idea to waste time, effort, and money trying to make things you aren't going to sell.

My surface-level assessment is that building a router is easy, but routing efficiently is difficult. For the latter problem, traffic provides signals which you can use to improve routing rules, creating a feedback loop. More traffic => more feedback => better routing. So a lot of the value of Openrouter would be that they are the most adopted router (I think?) and so likely have the most data to (potentially) produce the best router. I'm only speculating.

It's a fairly high scale, but yeah I don't think it's terribly hard. Negotiating rates with the providers seems like it'd be the hardest part to me.

Probably they want to use the userbase, not the technology? There was a heavy emphasis - too heavy for my taste so it bounces me back - about that they will do what is the best for the user. I think that was already there, Stripe was not needed for that. This is more for the benefit of others.

It seems like a misunderstanding of basic economics to assume that the price for this would track FTE salaries.

I get where it's coming from, I like Stripe's long-stated mission ("To increase the GDP of the Internet").

This version is dumb/empty, and reads like brown-nosing Stripe.

One unexpected "benefit" of LLMs is that it is training us all to be even better at recognizing "you don't even know what you mean by that, do you?"

https://www.axios.com/2026/08/19/stripe-payments-openrouter-...

https://stripe.com/annual-updates/2025

> Stripe last said businesses on its platform generated $1.9 trillion in payment volume in 2025, up 34% year over year.

More transaction volume = more enterprise value potential. More GDP, total rake goes up of said economic activity they facilitate. Middleman Moat, accumulating volume (present via Paypal, future via OpenRouter).

Big line go up!

It's particularly stupid given that if you look at where the tokens are being spent, the top application overwhelmingly is Hermes Agent. It's more than the next six clients combined.

Hermes Agent is AI slop "ai assistant" software that is being entirely developed by a bunch of AI agents. They are stuck in a constant whack-a-mole bug fix session because the agents keep breaking things.

Openrouter is being entirely propped up by garbage-tier software that is only popular because it's being endlessly hyped by idiot youtuber AI Agent Bros who are so uncreative and incapable of critical thought, they're using AI agents to tell them what content to make.

When people finally realize how bad Hermes is, OpenRouter is pretty fucked. And then when all the weebs writing furry porn get bored and move on, they'll be fucked even more.

What's really bad about this: Stripe is so tightly tied to the credit card industry that said industry's obsession with morality policing will force Stripe to start censoring openrouter.

I think OpenRouter has a pretty lean staff

and pretty sure they're gonna drop crypto currencies as payment on the platform too

Cynically, I suspect oAI is subsidizing OR tokens to manipulate perceived traction, since OR usage stats get widely publicized

> please never change I've got bad news for you...

Stripe is a high-velocity environment. OpenRouter (OR) is a startup so might move fast, but unsure if OR can handle the velocity with corporate guardrails put in place already.

Any companies that are bought go through culture crashes, and I am interested in how this plays out.

man, whatsapp was sure something in early 2017 though.

Did you meant this for LinkedIn?

This won't work because you consider humans as a logical being (Homosapiens is a misnormer).

People will revolt first should one have to trade physical goods (such as food that we need for daily lives) with computing power.

It only takes a few people to incite.

I think this is exactly the bet they're making.

I was totally confused by what connected the two companies until I realized "tokens" are basically a nascent, and rapidly growing, "currency".

I hope we aren't on track for this future and if we are I hope a substantial number of people rebel.

This is among the more hellish futures I can imagine. Our worth as people reduced to how much access we have to compute. Gross.

Stripe is positioning themselves as one of the leading adopters of AI internally. I don't know of public stats but I estimate they're spending on the order of $millions per week on tokens. I assume they've adopted Openrouter and the majority of that spend is going via Openrouter. So they understand the product value, they understand the current gaps, and there's also a threat mitigation. They've likely become very dependent on Openrouter and someone is going to buy it - so they may as well negate the risk to that. (Threat mitigation alone is not worth $7B but it justifies a certain premium.)

They also have very complementary problems and skills. The long-term roadmap for routers is auto-routing; that is, turning traffic into signals into automated decisions. Stripe has a lot of overlapping talent and experience from fraud-detection and likely other products.

Stripe execs said "we should own some AI"

Founders found out that they could finally afford to pay their medical, tax, housing bills if they said yes

One-to-many implementation. Stripe is one api to every bank. Openrouter is one api to every language model.

Both are the most popular developer api in their space.

One of the main real values of OpenRouter is that it is a single payment relationship for users that enables access to many downstream vendors. I'm not super convinced it is a good purchase, but right now OpenRouter is the financial middleman for token spend. It is also the centralization point for tokens, allowing for value-add features that are industry-wide, for example budgets - and I think that structure has parallels to Stripe products like Checkout or Identity.

Stripe has a lot of money, but not a lot of AI-buzzword compliance. OpenRouter is highly AI-buzzword compliant, but doesn't have a lot of money. It's a match made in heaven

In the event that the AI bubble doesn't burst, Stripe needs to have a stake in whatever's coming. They have time to explore and pursue specific strategies, but they just needed to make some big and compatible buy.

In this particular case, OpenRouter represents a M x N bridging and enhancement layer much like Stripe themselves, and so must address a lot of parallel technical, dealmaking, accounting, and legal challenges.

It may not be obvious on the surface because they seem to be working in such different domain, but they have to address a lot of the same problems in comparable ways and that makes it a pretty darn good fit.

Taking a % cut on top of every operation

greed

That's either sarcasm as you are not a fan of Stripe, or actual joy if you are an employee of Stripe holding stock.

Well Stripe is owned by Thiel, I'm sure there is some nefarious reason he wants to see everyone's chat history.

Clearly these products are being named by topologists, who have no objection to things being simultaneously open and closed.

It's following the open closed principle.

It could be open in the literally sense of you aren't locked in, you have free access to any model you want.

Just because a name has open in it doesn't mean it has to be open source.

It’s an AI era buzzword. It’s not a new process, e.g. when blockchain was trendy, “crypto-“ and “bit-“ became similarly popular and meaningless.

"Open" is a load bearing reference we all get :p

blame openai they started it

Would "OpenSourceRouter" be a trademark violation?

I've built one in Rust and want to market it.

OpenRouter already takes in around $140M in yearly revenue. How would paying 5% of yearly revenue make any sense for an acquisition??

The 7 billion figure is not just open router's current value. It's also including part of it's projected value in the future. So that 7 billion includes current value + value say 5-10 years out.

Remember when Google acquired YouTube for $1.6B in 2006? That amount seemed ridiculous at the time. Its now peanuts compared to YouTube's yearly revenue.

Let's just hope the pitch wasn't selling everybody's data for training

2006 called and wants their valuations back.

just imagine that the money isn't real and you're there.

Any non X source for this so people who don't use X can have a look?

eBay actually ended up making a net gain of approximately $1.4 billion on its total investment in Skype.

Are you perhaps thinking of Microsoft acquiring Skype for $8.5 billion? (a similar amount as the OpenRouter deal)

I think the PayPal acquistion is to buy something that throws of real cash, to prevent a down round for Stripe when valuations reset.

Gemini Flash 3.7 is already "technically" 50% off everywhere until January 2027.

That prefix is dead and has lost its meaning. Now you gotta completely avoid it to stand out.

Switching costs are zero and alternatives are plentiful.

OpenRouter is a name.

"Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Is that 100M of openrouter revenue? Or money that flows through openrouter? If the latter, 100M$ annualized looks like very little. It's as if a bank said that it has 100M$ of annual transfers, instead of 100M in revenue from bank fees and such.

Hard to think of any type of company that can do the topline meme as effectively as a compute aggregator proxy. Almost like a bitcoin pool mining company counting their shared miners.

Really? 100M annual? That HAS to be profit, it can't be this crazy.

EDIT: From their website, they say they have 200T monthly tokens, at 10 cents per M token ( optimistic average between free tokens and expensive tokens) that's 20M$/month, which is roughly 240M$.

Bonus track: here's chatgpt completely fumbling the above very simple calculation

https://chatgpt.com/share/6a85f831-9118-83e9-8a06-d32195c557...

I don't doubt the chinese bootleg product that openrouter is peddling is even worse than that.

We are in a bubble confirmed.

Sorry for the negativity, but this is highly bearish news.