Unlocking a locked/deactivated e-waste Cricut Maker (sprocketfox.io)
210 points by 1e1a 16 hours ago
EvanAnderson 15 hours ago
I was hoping this would be a hack that repurposed the unit to work standalone.
Getting the unit to work again in the Cricut "ecosystem" just means Cricut can disable it later when they catch on.
Companies that "lock" or otherwise brick viable hardware as part of the business model (I'm thinking about Sonos here, too) are really terrible. People shouldn't be rewarding them by buying their garbage to begin with.
Benanov 14 hours ago
I'm just imagining the amount of damage some determined people can do to the Cricut ecosystem because the serial numbers are guessable...
hypfer 14 hours ago
Would be a shame if anyone did that at a large scale, invoking a PR desaster and forcing some change.
Oh and illegal. Highly illegal and probably would get you in prison for a very long time + come with crippling debt too.
So don't do that, unless you're like.. idk terminally ill and die tomorrow or something like that. Then still don't do it because it's illegal and causes real harm to real other people that didn't do anything wrong.
Mountain_Skies 2 hours ago
greggsy an hour ago
I’d expect a certain YouTuber to pick it up in due course
bityard 6 hours ago
If anyone has an old Silhouette vinyl cutter sitting around gathering dust, there's an actively maintained open source Inkscape plugin that lets you "print" your design straight to the cutter: https://github.com/fablabnbg/inkscape-silhouette
I wrote about it a couple years ago: https://blog.bityard.net/articles/2022/June/diy-vinyl-cut-mo...
poetaster 3 hours ago
Nice write-up! I was also a Suzuki fan (1980s) and always liked the stylized S logo. Now to go find a vinyl cutter.....
djmips 5 hours ago
Thanks. I DO have an old Silhouette vinyl cutter sitting around... gathering dust! I picked it up at a thrift store many years ago and just waiting for you comment I guess!
josephwegner 12 hours ago
I have a silhouette cameo pro 4 (and love it), and have been wondering around similar things. The Cameo can only be controlled via the provided software, or a couple proprietary plugins for popular design software.
The provided software is clunky, and the plugins suck. I’ve been building an app for designing stickers, and what I really want is to either be able to drive the Cameo from the app directly, or output a design file in a format that can be loaded straight into the software to start cutting.
The thing I’m stuck on is… how do people reverse engineer these devices protocols, without fear of bricking the device? My understanding is that reverse engineering like this is a lot of “try shit and see if it works”. It seems to me that a few wrong commands could get the cameo in some irrecoverable state. Obviously that’s not a risk I’m willing to take on a machine I use very regularly.
dvdkon 7 minutes ago
I mostly deal with the possibility of bricking a device by not caring too much :) That said, I usually start by reverse-engineering the software at one of the ends, so I don't blindly "fuzz" the device. There's still some risk, but not that much.
timhh 11 hours ago
I don't have a Cameo Pro 4 to test, but I have reverse engineered software to control some of their other devices. It's a little janky but if you want to help I'd appreciate it!
I believe there is (or once was) also an Inkscape plugin somewhere but I never tried it.
As for how I reverse engineered it, I just used a USB sniffer and wireshark. I don't think there's a big risk of bricking these devices - I don't think they even have non-volatile storage, so worst case you turn it off and on again.
I would like to reverse engineer my solar power inverter too, but that is definitely brickable (the first one they shipped me came pre-bricked!) and is a lot more expensive so I've had to resist. :/
grommet_kit 4 hours ago
No checksumming on the serial number packet makes this kind of proxy trivial. Using an RP2040 as a USB man-in-the-middle is a clever and cheap fix.
kennywinker 15 hours ago
Just a PSA to anybody considering buying a new cricut:
They are cool machines mechanically, but the software is an absolute nightmare, DO NOT BUY.
Source: i bought one. Regret sunk in the moment i tried to do anything even slightly interesting. This isn’t a bambulabs situation where it’s mostly a philosophical objection to a closed ecosystem. It’s bad software that makes it hard or impossible to use the machine except in a very narrow set of ways.
I’ve not firsthand used any of the competing machines (silhoutte, et al) but i hear they are a bit better - and i don’t know how they could be worse.
c0nsumer 14 hours ago
Maybe it's just me and I haven't used it much, but my fairly non-technical wife has a Cricut and the few times I've wanted to use it I had absolutely no problem creating a vector in whatever program (Illustrator or Affinity Designer, IIRC) and getting it to separate the color layers and cut at the desired size.
The Electron app felt a bit weird, but I was able to accomplish the goal of cutting out my design at a desired size, so I didn't think any more about it. <shrug>
It seemed more to me that their app leans hard into getting people to buy vector designs through them, and making it easy for those who might not even understand what a "vector" graphic is, but it didn't seem to preclude me from cutting out my own stuff.
dylan604 13 hours ago
> but my fairly non-technical wife has a Cricut and the few times I've wanted to use it I had absolutely no problem
This is this is one of those situations of knowing their audience. The machine is nice and does some impressive things for the price. Their software works fine for the people that the hardware was designed.
I too have designed things in Illustrator and imported them into their software. It took a bit of getting used to, but I've designed retail packaging with cuts and scores so I can create custom boxes that I was not able to find premade and having the custom design made was too expensive. Could the design software be better? Of course, but that software would be out of reach for their target audience. So instead, I've stopped holding it wrong, and work within its constraints.
kennywinker 11 hours ago
kennywinker 11 hours ago
As I said:
> impossible to use the machine except in a very narrow set of ways.
Congrats, you were using it within that narrow set of ways.
post_break 14 hours ago
Siser machines are as consumer as you can get but still get control over them. They are more like the commercial grade ones. I have a Juliet and love it.
cellular 14 hours ago
Could you just hook new motor controllers to the motors / puncher and add an Arduino to control it?
tdeck 14 hours ago
This is a very Hacker News usage of the word "just".
ssl-3 13 hours ago
dylan604 13 hours ago
CamperBob2 14 hours ago
kennywinker 14 hours ago
Possibly. But i wanted a machine to play with, not to tinker with. At that point it’d be wayyy cheaper and easier to just convert an old CR-10 printer into a vinyl cutter
Junk_Collector 14 hours ago
Can you build a CNC machine out of nothing but a computer and a CNC machine?
kennywinker 11 hours ago
bluGill 14 hours ago
silhouette has a much better open source reputation if you want this type of machine. Everybody in the crafting world seems to have the circut though, and you can buy their machines (parts, supplies) all over, while I've never seen silhouette in a local store.
nightfly 13 hours ago
I have a silhouette cameo 4 I'm pretty happy with. Silhouette studio works, it doesn't handle svgs very well so when importing I tend to render svgs as a black bitmap and then trace that in silhouette studio. Being able to print registration marks and have the cutter align itself against those is invaluable. I've done clones of paper craft kits, perfectly cut out iron on transfers forct shirts, 3d trading card art, and trading card proxies on mine
kotaKat 13 hours ago
yep, today's reminder silhouette is (quietly) a division of the larger Graphtec, and you can move up from the baby machines thru to a Graphtec cutter!
drive 'em with inkscape, drive 'em with the silhouette studio, hell, there's a bridge graphtec model that can also take silhouette studio jobs...
anticorporate 12 hours ago
hedora 9 hours ago
The last time I checked, bambu was clawing back functionality from purchased devices, with things like timebomb lockouts and blacklisting TPU.
Sure, it's a matter of degree, but I'm perfectly happy with my Elegoo. If you live in California, I suggest buying one before Sacramento's open firmware ban goes into effect.
SchemaLoad 7 hours ago
I have a bambulab printer and haven't seen anything like this. The printer doesn't even know what filament you are using unless you are using an AMS + bambulab filament. Maybe you are thinking about the fact that TPU isn't compatible with the AMS, you have to feed it in direct or it will clog.
I can load a print direct on to the printer via lan or the microsd slot without using any bambulab servers. While in theory it would be nice if it was all fully open source, but in reality there are no real restrictions unlike Cricut.
Animats 12 hours ago
It's a vinyl cutter. I've used those. TechShop used to have them. Theirs seem to be repurposed large-format HP plotter designs.
Vinyl cutters are good at doing one thing - cutting out patterns in vinyl or similar materials. You can make signs, stickers, and similar stuff. Some also be used as plotters. They're rather limited devices, though. At TechShop, they were not used much.
myself248 7 hours ago
Yup, they even speak HPGL.
Originally, people put knife blades into HP plotters, by modifying the pen holders. Then Roland started making heavy-duty plotters purpose-built to run blades, but they spoke the same HPGL as the plotters, for compatibility.
Then everyone and their brother knocked-off the Roland designs, and of course copied the HPGL compatibility. Along the way, some special extensions crept into the dialect, for setting the downforce (the !FS; command) and maybe other stuff.
And for a long, long time, all vinyl cutters were basically the same. You could use any software with any cutter.
Then Cricut came along and hosed it all up.
kennywinker 11 hours ago
Try doing a run of like 10x of the same design in cricut software...
jakzurr 12 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricut#Controversies
Also, it's a very fun article to read.
greggsy 36 minutes ago
“Provo Craft contended that in order to understand and replicate this obscured protocol, Craft Edge had disassembled the DesignStudio program, contrary to the terms of its end-user license agreement, thereby (the company asserted) breaching copyright law.”
I wonder if the wireshark USB intercepts discussed in this thread would classify as ‘disassembly’?
phoronixrly 10 hours ago
I am very surprised that the ceo backpaddled on the limit of cloud usage that was going to force users into subscription...
xgulfie 14 hours ago
I see so many of these at resale stores for next to nothing. What a shame.
cyberge99 13 hours ago
He got it working, so there’s hope.
mikestorrent 12 hours ago
I guess if one needs furry decals badly enough you could just cut them out by hand