Lawmakers added $1 to car insurance policies. That money paid for Flock cameras (texastribune.org)
202 points by DeepLogin 6 hours ago
k310 5 hours ago
Texas
> In 2023, the Texas Legislature unanimously passed a law raising auto insurance costs for Texans by $1 to combat rampant catalytic converter theft.
> The Motor Vehicle Crime Prevention Authority, led by a board mostly appointed by Gov. Greg Abbott, has turned the $1 fee hike into at least 3,200 Flock cameras.
More coming. Meanwhile, secure your EV!!! Batteries will be next!!!
SoftTalker 5 hours ago
In Texas I'm surprised it's not legal to shoot a catalytic converter thief if caught in the act. That's what they used to do for cattle rustlers.
ceejayoz 5 hours ago
https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/stand-your-ground
links to https://www.uslawshield.com/defend-property-texas/
> Texas law allows you to use deadly force to protect property if you would be justified in using force, and you reasonably believe it is immediately necessary to prevent the imminent commission of specific enumerated property crimes. These are arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime.
I'd think that'd qualify.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/?tab=1&code=PE&chapter=PE...
> Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
> (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
> (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
> (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
> (3) he reasonably believes that:
> (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
sokoloff 4 hours ago
chadgpt3 4 hours ago
exabrial 3 hours ago
I would love to live in a world where thieves feared for their lives.
xnx a minute ago
cosmicgadget 3 hours ago
3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago
kelseyfrog an hour ago
jrflowers 2 hours ago
hopelessluca 3 hours ago
My comment may sound cliché, but I genuinely believe this, no material possession is worth more than a human life. A catalytic converter can be replaced, a life cannot.
huimang 2 hours ago
GaryBluto 2 hours ago
arjie an hour ago
budman1 2 hours ago
bryanlarsen 3 hours ago
rayiner 2 hours ago
kashkhan 2 hours ago
none2585 an hour ago
Eueudhsbsj32 2 hours ago
AlexandrB 2 hours ago
Geonode 3 hours ago
mannanj an hour ago
dghlsakjg 4 hours ago
You can use force in Texas to stop property crime.
Fire away, I guess.
tehwebguy 2 hours ago
What an insane trade off. Seems like a few bait cars and a couple of trackers would be plenty to figure out where the converters are getting fenced. Obviously there is a small number of buyers driving the entire catalytic theft economy.
aussieguy1234 20 minutes ago
EV batteries weigh hundreds of kilos. They typically require a mechanical workshop with a hoist to remove, not something your typical theif could easily steal on a street corner.
DarmokTanagra 2 hours ago
For a country that staged a revolution over a tea tax modern Americans sure seem to love having their rights trampled.
ergocoder an hour ago
Because many people agree with having cameras to help reduce/monitor crimes.
From their views, the right isn't trampled. It's a win
bpodgursky 2 hours ago
Over a tea tax without representation. Very common to forget that part!
DarmokTanagra 2 hours ago
Do 84 year olds on life support count as representation?
johnnyanmac 2 hours ago
troyvit 2 hours ago
Yep. We asked for the nightmare we've brought upon ourselves
mannanj an hour ago
So to fight abuse and overreach by your leaders, you can:
- give up your car/vehicle propery
- let an LLC take ownership
- reside in the privacy protections of LLC and corporation
I don't think any successful case has happened yet where flock et al have pierced the corporate veil to get address information, nor dug into insurance records to find who the LLC-license plates belong to.
qwerpy 4 hours ago
Strange that someone else’s question “Did it reduce catalytic converter theft?”, directly relevant to the article, got downvoted to death. Not sure if we’re meant to have discussions here or just dutifully complain about topics that are fashionable to complain about.
CamelCaseName 4 hours ago
I agree. I "revived" the comment by clicking on the timestamp ("33 minutes ago") and then clicking "vouch". I believe only users with a score of 200+ (points? karma?) can do so.
kryogen1c 4 hours ago
Been here 8 years, always wondered how comments died. I assumed it was algorithmic. TIL
throwup238 4 hours ago
lostlogin 4 hours ago
I wondered that too. It doesn't say, but does state: "Data from the license plate readers, known in law enforcement as LPRs, was searched 62,000 times in 2025, leading to about 1,660 cleared catalytic converter theft cases, a report from the authority said."
Also, how many missing people are there? finding 10k seems quite a lot. “one of the most effective ways Flock has been able to help find, just last year, over 10,000 missing persons”.
Zak 3 hours ago
The term "missing person" calls to mind someone who is in serious danger, but a majority are something minor, like someone quitting a job without notice or taking an unannounced trip. The vast majority are resolved by finding the person alive.
Flock helping close 10K cases doesn't surprise me at all, but it doesn't meant those people wouldn't have been found without it. It may mean less work for the police, but the police don't usually put a lot of effort into a missing person without evidence they're in danger.
cosmicgadget 2 hours ago
Based on the cited document, "leading to" seems entirely made up.
ihsw 5 hours ago
Did it reduce catalytic converter theft?
floralhangnail 3 hours ago
I doubt it helped much directly. The nationwide ring that was dismantled recently was busted partially due to surveillance from a pole mounted camera though. The article title initially baited my rage, but I can plausibly see how LPRC's could be used to track catalytic converter thieves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_catalytic_co...
CoffeeOnWrite 3 hours ago
(a pole mounted camera for which a warrant had been obtained...)
floralhangnail 2 hours ago
Mathnerd314 an hour ago
To quote from https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/MVCPA_F...
Number of times an ALPR was deployed. 61,875
Number of LPR Deployments by taskforce investigators 42,878
Number of vehicles recovered from LPR detection 1,963
Number of Cleared Cases – Catalytic Converter Theft 1,658
Number of arrests from LPR detection 569
Number of identified/documented prolific catalytic converter theft offenders 266
Number of Catalytic Converter Theft bait operations 236
The problem is they don't define "deployments". There are ~13,500 ALPR cameras and they do thousands of plates per hour and neither of those numbers matches the deployment. My best guess is it is a targeted search and so a vehicle is recovered or a case is cleared 2-3 times out of every 100 times they search the database.
Regarding actual reduction, as another comment said, the amount of crime fluctuates with metal prices, pretty much lockstep. But at least they can lock the people away.
baldeagle 4 hours ago
It’s hard to say. As the economic got better, trade policies stabilized and the price of commodities and therefore the metals in a converter dropped in value. As the price of the metals went down, the thefts dropped nationally. Texas thefts seemed to have dropped inline with the national trend. Since the supply side issues are picking up again, the thefts are going up likewise.
p_j_w 3 hours ago
If what you say is true it doesn’t sound hard to say at all, it seems clear that the cameras didn’t reduce the thefts at all.
cosmicgadget 3 hours ago
Doesn't seem especially likely, does it? People report the thefts in unmonitored neighborhoods. The police... check the nearby intersection cameras for any vehicles passing between 11pm and 4am?
DivingForGold 5 hours ago
Snooping Bastards !
rayiner 2 hours ago
Why are we made at these cameras? Are the cameras beaming out rays causing people to engage in anti-social conduct?
fluidcruft 2 hours ago
Because the users of the cameras have proven themselves untrustworthy.
BirAdam an hour ago
That and it’s against the spirit of the bill of rights.
StanislavPetrov an hour ago
Because deploying these cameras is anti-social conduct.
rayiner 40 minutes ago
More antisocial than stealing cars?