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The WC3 one is fun. Definitely feels close to what I remember.

>Warcraft 3 style agentic dev interface

I can forgive the randumb placement of chains but not that sovlless icon of a person from the wow era. wc3 era UI would've used a character portrait.

Love the John Politics page, utterly slick completely bland and phoney. Assume it’s a meme i missed, love it.

It's both. I have several models loaded into diffui. Which one each prompt uses is determined based on user preference over time. Whichever image is currently at the top of any image node stack marks a win for the model that generated it, I assign each model an ELO score based on that, and I bias the chance each model is selected based on their ELO score. Right now gpt-image-2 is better than my own model, and it services around ~96% of the requests in diffui.

I'll also be adding in microsoft's mai-image-2.6 soon, but I need to update my SOC2 to add MS as a provider before I turn that on for other users. The full list of models in rotation is here: https://image.non.io/d53a9760-8b74-4386-b032-d59da2cd5319.we...

I just finished the 2nd book of the Stormlight Chronicles by Brandon Sanderson. Sadly I have had aphantasia all my life and therefore I can not visually imagine things - I do have a very loud inner monologue though and can imagine the voices of the characters.

I just tried out the new version of ChatGPT to generate images for the main characters in a concept art style and for me it makes the story come to life a bit more.

I also run a Pathfinder Campaign every other week and have found great pleasure visualizing scenes in this way for myself. Sometimes I share them with the players and so far the feedback on that has been very positive.

I wish I could picture things in my mind but at least now I have something that can help me with my handicap!

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Then reading a book is outsourcing imagination or enjoying it's illustrations by someone else, as you rely on the others for imagining stories

About 300 million people literally can't imagine.

We’ve outsourced everything else.

Why is that such a bad thing? Imagination is not truly useful for anything without skills to complement it, at least not in my experience.

Outsourcing re-imagination.

I wish I could do it better. There seems to be a lot of variability. This episode of radiolab on the topic is fascinating: https://radiolab.org/podcast/aphantasia/transcript?utm_sourc...

I feel like the reason I dislike reading or find reading boring is because I can't. But it's just a theory. Meanwhile I absolutely love movies.

Not all people can!

I did it as well. But it was fun to imagine it through another type of eyes.

One man's cliche is another man's hacker news comment

Trying to be as least cynical as possible, imagine if you were a party with 3 or more people, and you really wanted a nice pic like that to commemorate the night, but never got to take one all together because someone left early, and you were in the bathroom when they announced their departure.

Yes, it's a major first-world problem to not get a photo, but to the right person, it could mean a lot to them to "fix" the photo they took with A and B to add C to their 'rightful place.'

That was exactly my first reaction!

Mark where you at the party today? Yes of course look at these pictures I took (╥﹏╥)

> The only use case I can think of for this is for someone who likes to make up stories and lie about what they’ve done. Is that really the target market?

As far as I can tell, the biggest uses of these sort of models is to pump out lots of content on multimedia-based social media, so yeah, it's basically for the sort of person who doesn't shy away from exaggerating, omitting or outright lying in order to get more views.

It would use far less energy to make the bed too, and help preserve Earth's future by avoiding needlessly expending energy.

You can take the photo, inside the chatgpt app and then talk to it without much effort. Perfect for a lazy teenager .

> Surely it's less effort to just make the bed?

It's not about the bed.

People areaddicted to generating now.

Slopoholics the whole bunch of them.

Not in the past I guess?

True, I didn't thought about that. Just imagine the scale of "historic" images that will be created over the next 100 years.

My secret hope is that this kills the influencer industry and gets things back to just ads. Just the ads happen to be fake people, instead of real people pretending to be ads.

To tell a story, to even exaggerate one is something completely different from providing "prove" it did really happen exactly the way it was told.

There are many many people that will take an image as an undeniable fact of the real world. While before you could fake(photoshop) things it took more time then 30 seconds.

I wouldnt regulate these aspects, because I believe pandoras box is already wide open. Regulating anything wouldn't change much.

[Cry me a River]

No thank you

Because she will pounder in old memories that never existed in the first place. Instead of cherrying the current times. Past moments of long gone time will be elongated beyond their actual existence.

Imagine a time where a small moment is actually a smaller amount experienced then the remixed one. At one point you will have more memories of fake events, and more emotional beats for said fake events than real ones.

AI videos showing you a second life if you just had chosen a different path.

People will be depressed from it.

Because the mother's joy should hinge on the actual photo of the actual event of the actual person, not a fictional imaginary event or fake childhood of their child. The experience of being human should be tethered to reality.

Because elderly people who never had a connection to tech or sci-fi will have no feel for, and therefore no resistance to the kind of trickery that seems fun but is ultimately corrosive. Cheerfully meddling with the artifacts of memory at that life stage is corrosive.

Why do you assume her joy is the sad part?

Memory already declines with age. AI slop threatens to warp those memories further.

I know the API (assuming you're using it) lets you set the output size of the edited images - I haven't done a huge amount of testing with > 1mp, so I'd be curious if this might mitigate some of that.

https://developers.openai.com/api/reference/python/resources...

Another example was the doc for GPT-5, which had all its graphs messed up, but they said it was human error rather than AI.

The guy on the left in that same photo only has three fingers (and a thumb, I suppose). I thought image generation has already outlived that.

Edit: I feel stupid I didn't see the original OP already mentioning three finger issue. I'll just leave it here.

Maybe it's like how spammers intentionally make their emails more obvious, because they have a very specific target audience.

Exactly this. "All this progress and they're back to miscounted fingers again?!"

It’s okay to make nice things for a small group of people, the challenge, obviously, is finding those people and exposing them to your work.

Notice that not a single business on earth so far is passing those time and money savings on however.

So this is a valid point (and I admit I eat crow on my earlier statement), but not for that reason. In that photo, there are three fingers in front of the cup, but you would not expect 5 fingers because the way humans hold cups, the thumb will be occluded by the cup itself. That said, I don't think there is a way to hold a cup with both thumb and index occluded, so the correct number of fingers would be 4 in that case.

This is fair criticism, I was being pretty harsh.

At least it saves them asking you now, I guess?

There's no way to win in that situation anyway - if you said "yes I think it'd look great!" and then they went and got their hair cut to match your suggestion but didn't like it, is it your fault for saying "yes"?

This is going to get regulated pretty quick.

I mean, it would probably be better than many tattoo artist’s art. At the very least it’s not a bad way to see how something would look on you before you permanently do it.

Think on the bright side, it will be easier to judge them based on how they look, possibly saving you time and effort.

Really nice share. I bet you could automate the manual work with today's models

Go on... I'm listening.

Looks like they updated the link to that page now too. Thanks.

Same price as image-2, and I'm guessing it's not more tokens (given the speedup).

I'm not sure if I'm working with ChatGPT Images 2.5 or 2.0 here...

The original photo I took was at https://www.reddit.com/r/Tovala/comments/1pfuwrb/meatloaf_pa... - it's a cheeseburger meatloaf with potato wedges taken with a phone camera. And I was going for a consistent documentation approach for the photograph, not trying for menu proper.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6aa05d33-3e6c-83ea-9e32-f1371c1ad6... ( https://imgur.com/a/fPB5VKP for just the image)

I suspect that someone doing a menu could take a properly plated meal from the kitchen (rather than me photographing on top of my oven) and have it get redone for a good image for a menu without fundamentally changing what is being served.

It's still more honest than generating virtual kebab.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but...

I thought that was parents point, that currently they're using so shitty AI generated logos, that even if we despise that as a concept, at least better models output slightly less sloppy shit. But re-reading it, I'm not sure that was the right initial reading.

It might be a sub-comment on a tweet that was fairly viral last week. Or it might be serious. We’ll never know.

Not OP but my guess is that they're already using bad AI images for their kebab business, and OP wants them to use better AI for their images (so they may actually lose fewer customers because the AI imagery isn't so awful)

Why do you care what your kebab shop uses for their menus? These people are trying to run a business. If this can allow them to clearly communicate prices in a well designed pleasant way, it's great. Why must they slave away in design and technology or pay someone to do it for them? I think it's great

It would be an improvement, probably, because they are still using Dall.e 1 apparently.

Loose them on what?

loose? only if they don't cook it well

I think every restaurant on Uber Eats in my area uses AI slop or, minimally, AI "enhanced" food pictures.

I still don't know if I hate them because they are visually slop, or that the businesses farmed out sign creation to the slop machine

Wow, that's amazing. I was about to tell it to make the helmet similar to the human one, with the gold visor, but thought it wouldn't convey it as well, but not only is it obvious, it still has the feeling of being a horse.

What? He quotes the opening line of the article, and notes that he reacts negatively to it. Interpreting his sentiment as "curmudgeonly" is a clear exaggeration.

And sure--it isn't a high-substance comment, but it isn't irrelevant either. It was, for a while, the top-voted comment on this whole thread. That shows people resonate with the thought, and it obviously sparked quite a lot of discussion.

This seriously makes me question your, and our other moderators, motivations. Sad times.

This i did like 15 images just today, mostly just editing and fixing one of my wifes photos that she wanted the lighting and stuff leaned up with so i decided to test out 2.5... it did a great job, but that was easily 15 images 1 of which was the end result but all 15 count toward that figure, i'd honestly guess its more 1:100-1:500 that actually makes it outside the chatgpt servers

If twitter and reddit have demonstrated anything is that the fun people are having with image generation is not healthy.

> That's it.

Yeah ignoring the massive environmental, social, and moral implications I suppose it’s not a big deal at all.

oh no... it's fun... you got us...

It is 100% not. You can create a whole lot of misinformation with an image. You cannot do that by visiting a website. To dismiss the concern with “people are having fun” is, at best, a naive idea and, at worst, a deliberately deceitful and malicious comment.

I hate it because I hate having to look at these AI generated images. In fact I want an internet where I have to explicitly opt-in to see AI generated content in general.

Yeah seriously, the cultural mindset is so damn kneejerk negative to everything right now. It's pathetic. This is an exciting time, and lots of good things are happening.

this is an oddly dismissive comment that says more about the commenter then what is commented on.

generating an ai image is vastly more costly than loading a webpage…but still not that costly compared to most other things.

this is depressing in the same way content slop or fyp feeds are fun.

if you want a silly pic with ur kids, just pay someone on fiver. it will be only slightly more expensive and likely far more exciting for kids as they have to wait for the dopamine hit.

its not “oddly” and u know full well

>People are having fun making images.

3 billion images per week isn't people, it's automated farms, dogshit marketing companies and other attacks on your brain.

They're having fun asking a robot to make a picture when they could have learned to make it themselves.

It's incredibly depressing.

Yea, “fun”, sure. I’m sure none of those billions of images were used to lie, mislead, or cheat anyone. I’m sure none of those images were used to create fake news narratives, used in advertisements to bait people into buying fake products, or create misleading mockups of rental properties. Definitely not.

Nevermind the fact that the examples in OpenAI’s blog post are examples of creating images that have no plausible purpose other than to fake stuff that didn’t happen.

But yea sure, it’s all just “for fun”. Sure.

Every SDXL image uses something like 0.5 Watt-hour. That means that 2000 sdxl images uses about 30 cents of electricity. If we multiply that by 30x for video (a fair assumption for models like minimax H3, which take that much longer to make video), that means you get almost 700 5-second videos for a dollar of electricity, which is about a kilo of carbon dioxide. More or less depending on where your electricity comes from.

would you like a carbon receipt for your video gaems, netflix, and reddit sessions?

You can generate images on 5060ti, it'd take less than minute per image. Trivial environmental footprint.

I propose they use my body for compost to power their electricity turbines, in exchange for a advance in tokens while I am alive...I am overweight and that is good, more burning mass. We could settle at 2 million USD.

About the same amount of energy per image as a second of hot shower.

Is it fundamentally different to burning wood just to enjoy watching the flames?

A round trip cross country plane ride for one passenger is equivalent to about 500k - 1 million image generations. So all one has to do to offset their lifetime usage of image generators is forego one vacation. And this of course is only for current day carbon usage, that could go down (or up I guess but compute-wise usually things get cheaper over time).

The waste overall for data centers is beyond terrifying. Enough water for 1.2 billion people. It’s like all the GenX and Boomers looked at the challenges younger people will face and decided make it as bad as possible start kicking them in the ribs for good measure.

Theres going to be a reckoning.

I ask a question to ChatGPT and i get an answer.

I ask a question to google and i spend 10-100 times longer visiting multiple websites making multiple servers generate webpages wasting electricity and time reading them finding my answer, trying different solutions

OpenAI does cache the most frequent questions like this.

Imagine if they used the stackoverflow model of "closed as dupe"

Why? Because you disagree with them? Would you rather it be an echo chamber?

It's like I am on Reddit or Facebook.

Wow, just a quick check .... it appears you are correct.

  Golf: ~531 billion gal/year
  Data centers: ~17 billion gal/year
  Golf ≈ 31× as much

  Golf: ~500–531B gallons
  Data centers including electricity: ~228B gallons

I’m not commenting on whether generative AI is especially resource-wasteful or not, but a lot of people online seem to have newly discovered the existence of data centers.

Remind me what golf club comes close to the energy consumption of a data center?

Or do you literally mean the entire sport of golf vs 1 data center?

Okay, but firstly golf is probably the most useless sport ever and secondly there is more than one AI datacenter.

Yes, some people have fun, but most of the "fun" nowadays is just endless mindless consumption.

I just ignore most of these people. 99.9% of the time they're losers who peddle misinformation.

Didn't you hear? you must hire a real artist to do that for you or you're exploiting the industry

This is really depressing to me. I think this is abusive.

Your son has no concept of the implications of his body, face and identifying features being used here. He has no ability to opt-out, refuse consent, and avoid his data (biometric features) being swooped up in a data-centers for further training, further data collection & further monetization.

Your son didn't agree to the privacy policy of OpenAI. This is an extremely high level of disrespect to a person you created.

If you're not familiar of the pitfalls of this tech, and the fact that there are more ethical tools with which to do those things, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Its a simple way to feel superior - to sneer at normal people having fun and using technology.

I think @conradludgate was alluding to that we have so much of AI slop these days.

But I see your point too. I too like to generate cute and funny images and share it with my friends and family.

But this being done at scale can lead to overall degradation of the online experience.

You're building a weak strawman here. The author didn't call you nor your son out specifically.

I wouldn't feel comfortable uploading a picture of my child to OpenAI servers (for fun nonetheless), but you do you.

I wouldn't be uploading pics of my child to platforms that have historically used CSAM to train their models, but hey you do you

Not sure you can compare huge ML clusters of GPUs running models in order to do these images, and the typical "meme generator" which is basically a call to imagemagick passing an image and some text.