Principles for Fast Tokio Applications (dial9-rs.github.io)
80 points by carllerche 4 hours ago
dist1ll 28 minutes ago
When you're at a point of tuning Tokio, consider taking a look at ef_vi/DPDK + SPDK
Tsarp 3 hours ago
One great use of agentic coding is being able to add and very granular tracing instrumentation to help with these sort of optimizations.
jeffbee 3 hours ago
Also a great way to make sure that your app spends most of its time in observability overhead. For example even the latency histogram that the OP mentions is wildly expensive.
Veserv 2 hours ago
That just sounds like bad tracing implementations. A good tracing implementation should be able to drive gigabytes per second of trace logs to memory. If you are generating it slow enough to allow actual offload then you should be in the 1—10% range even if you are saturating your offload.
You should, of course, upper bound this overhead by switching to a full time travel debugging solution, thus tracing everything, when you get to the 10-30% range.
The only way you get to “majority” is if your trace implementation is slower than time travel debugging and provides less information, but then why choose something worse in every dimension.
jeffbee 44 minutes ago
nicoburns 2 hours ago
One legitimately great thing about LLMs is that it makes it feasible to add these kind of tracing instrumentations temporarily for profiling and then throw them away so they never reach source control let alone production.
jeffbee 2 hours ago
foota an hour ago
Just curious, why? Is this true even if you did something like a per-CPU histogram that uses atomic ops to increment?
MomsAVoxell 3 hours ago
If you’re not using eBPF to trace your app you’re doing it wrong.
jeffbee 3 hours ago
jeffbee 3 hours ago
All of the significant server applications I have encountered in the industry have suffered from the same problem, which surprised their authors but seemed obvious to me: the application was spending the majority of its CPU time doing meta-work like entering and leaving epoll, stealing work from itself, etc. There are principles for writing Tokio servers and these are good points in the OP but I think they are little-known and too easy to violate.
cube00 3 hours ago
I can't say I'm surprised when I see the 100+ function stack traces that Axum built on Tokio produces.
Before you say Axum is "holding it wrong" the project lives under the tokio-rs GitHub org.
rusbus an hour ago
Note that most of those end up getting inlined in practice