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Ah, so that's why it never works for me.

We used to give presentations about the average life of pages on the internet before it 404ed. It was cited from a SciAm article which was offline at the time and the only way to get the stat was via. the mirror on the Wayback Machine.

Let me add a few more layers just for some fun and profit :-D

Here[0] is an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page which archives the original article about internet censorship of an archive site that might require an archive of an archive site to read (given that people of spain cant now view archive.is in the first place or might have some difficulties doing so)

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel...

(If someone is perhaps interested and wants to see me talk more about what this is, then please read the blogpost that I had made for more info: https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...)

Brilliant indeed!

I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet.

I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune.

If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire.

Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.

I have a major ISP and cannot access directly, but in the last few years an VPN has become part of my routine (otherwise I wouldn't even be able to work normally during football matches) so I just click some random country and it's fixed.

Yeah, I'm on O2, which I think is part of Movistar? And it's blocked.

Fortunately, I already have a VPN anyway :)

How is it enforced? IP or DNS?

It also doesn't seem to be enforced on my Movistar connection, which means the single biggest ISP is opting out?

The order only went through on Friday so presumably the ISPs will take some time to catch up.

Feel free to link the whole article through a different site

https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth...

Vs

https://archive.is/2YdN9

One has paywall, one doesn't...

Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol

The one-world government and the CIA are loving all this FUD being spread about archive.is. No, don't access information we don't want you to! Because of... uh... DDOS, that's it!

Same - 502 with Movistar

> "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)

Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel...

(an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though)

(this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)

Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP.

Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work?

Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".

Imagine living in the US then …

>Officially this was done out of concern for the safety of the French citizens.

Gambling regulations exist in most places in the world, including the US. With good reason.

Polymarket isn't blocked in France, at least the website works, one can check that with a VPN set to France. Now whether a french person can register and spend money on it is another issue.

Gambling is quite regulated in France, it’s not new.

Entirely different situation. Polymarket is a gambling website and is subject to regulation. In Italy and (I think) Spain, they may shut down connections to a Google Cloud or AWS server _at the IP level_ if they have a _suspect_ it's hosting an illegal streaming service. This may effectively black out entirely legitimate Web sites with _no_ correlation to sports.

I mean... Righfully so. All those new "gambling" websites (who aren't even regulated as such) are an insider trader's dream.

It is no coincidence that a lot of piracy is now hosted in Russia.

There was a case at the highest court in Spain where LaLiga[0] sucessfully claimed that illegal streaming was causing hundereds of million of euros in damages. They essentially petitioned for mass blocking of IPTV, causing Cloudflare, NordVPN, ProtonVPN and a few others to get caught up in a sloppy and stupid dragnet. Whenever there is a football match on, a not-so-small chunk of the internet becomes unavailable. After the match is over, it works again.

[0] https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...

The TV rights holders for football matches want to block pirate streams by any means necessary. Spain appears to be the worst, people get arrested in the UK for profiting off streams (so far, but the communication is pretty aggressive towards consumers too), I don't know about the other countries mentioned.

It's been on HN a couple times. They block cloudflare during matches because most "pirate" live streams are on there. That means you can't do any work that depends on a legit site that uses cloudflare. Or watch non football content if it's hosted in the wrong place.

The UK’s premier league tv rights are worth a little bit over £1bn/yr. The rights holders are tv companies who also run most of the UK’s domestic telecoms, so they lobby incredibly hard and effectively to have pirate match streaming sites blocked.

yeah, is 100% an IPTV app loaded into a firestick or a shady Android box ( most likely with some botnet installed or a backdoor); you can also get it by downloading the app directly to you TV. This are resellers of the big providers, they buy accounts in bulk, then pay a second service to filter all the non spanish channel, generate the playlist and add a markup.

> tyranny

Previous comment was about people trying to watch football paying a few euros to shady business, who knows where that money lands, rather than the official offer from people who spent a lot to get the rights to broadcast.

I really don't like the implementation but I wouldn't call that tyranny. Blocking archive is much more concerning.

Which blocks docker hub images. You cant fetch an image during a match.

Sorry but no, that's crazy, I grew up in Spain and free college is definitely a national pride, by both the left and the right. It's the same in most of Europe.

That knowledge is already available and generally people don’t build bombs or bioweapons. Otherwise they could still go to university and learn all that if they so wish

> misinformation

Who decides what is misinformation? The state? The ministry of truth? That is the problem with this sort of wishful thinking.

> used to manipulate the population

The media industry manipulates opinions via TV channels and newspapers and has done so for the last 50 years. Heck, some states have their own TV channels like the BBC, France Info (France) , SVT (Sweden) which is completely ironic since the state funds them and there is no way to know how neutral these are.

> dangerous information

Dangerous information is a misnomer. You could print out how to build an atom bomb and give the step-by-step instructions for free in entire neighborhoods and no one will be able to build it because you need the right expertise and the materials to create one.

Same with bio-weapons unless you think you can develop these in your kitchen after work?

Secondly, we are back to the same problem. Who decides what is "dangerous information" and how far would you be willing to go to contain it? Censor social media? Censor private messages? What about emails? Textbooks? Listening devices in all homes? Cameras that you can't turn off in your toilet in case you pass information to someone else while taking a crap?

And just to add some more context, the Second Section (Sección Segunda), which is part of the executive branch, was created because time after time judges concluded that downloading movies from the internet was perfectly legal[1]. So the PSOE's gov at the time (with Zapatero being president) created a law that just sidesteps judges altogether, and bans access from the executive branch.

[1] See also: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho_de_copia_privada

> Re: La Liga's censorship, it isn't promoted by the government but by La Liga itself with the collaboration of the largest ISP, Telefónica/Movistar

It is maybe worth looking at the overlap between La Liga / Movistar directors, and former government officials. The Venn diagram has more overlap that one would like to see

As far as I know regarding La Liga's censorship it's due to a commercial court judge in Barcelona; meaning a single local Judge has given the green light to block the internet in a whole country.

Right. First case was performed by the executive branch of the State. Second one by the justice branch.

USA had nothing to do with this.

Spain and the EU have always been perfectly capable and willing to do this kind of internet blocking and censorship without USA telling them to.

You notice how nothing even remotely close to this kind of forced ISP blocking happens in the US? It is wildly illegal.

The attempts to end anonimity and to end cash flow are ideological and pretty surely did not come from the USA.

Spain did not got hit by WW2 cause it was absolutely destroyed by a civil war beginning 1936. After that a dictatorship of 40 years and when it opened all industry got hit cause it was heavily protected and could not compete in open markets, add to that most of the working industries were cheaply sold to friends of the dictatorship who were, and some of them still are, in power positions.

> a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia.

By what metric? Because Spain is sixth also by population, and I have the feeling you are using total GDP as scale. Using that, China is the richest economy, and India is the third richest country in the world. Meanwhile Switzerland and Singapore (really rich in reallity) are below 30th, and below Nigeria or Pakistan.

By per capita GDP we Spain are not even 6th, because Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Monaco, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Ireland... are above us and also above Germany, UK or France.

What makes you think economic size is a measure of Quality of Life ?

> They didn’t get hit by WW2

I think things start to go wrong for the Spain somewhere after the 16th century

Is being 9th in (nominal) GDP rating now is mentioned as "even"? 90% of the world is behind Russia.

According to GDP per capita, Spain is below Italy, but above Portugal. Has its position changed much over the last century? I would be interested to see a measure of that, but how far back is it feasible to estimate GDP per capita?

I don't know how Spain was affected by WW2, but they had a very nasty civil war just before WW2. I'm not sure if that's relevant to GDP per capita, though, because a war can sometimes improve the economy by leading to the overflow of a system in which progress is blocked by a relatively rich ruling class.

You can still get arrested in spain for saying a joke about Luis Carrero Blanco being Spain's first astronaut.

Luis Carrero Blanco, was the fascist dictator Francisco Franco's right hand man, his car war blown several stories into the air by ETA freedom fighters, hence the joke.

You mean Spain the fastest growing European country by many metrics? Not sure, we're here, been chilling all summer, time to get back to work now :) What happened to the country you live in?

Which just proves GDP is a low IQ metric to measure how good a country is to live in.

I certainly would rather live places like Mallorca or Donostia than in many places that are ahead of Spain in the silly GDP game.

Speaking of low IQ, it's pretty amusing to read that someone thinks that Spain came out unscathed from the events of 1930s and 1940s.

PSOE happened

Russia low GDP is actually not true. In real terms is bigger than Germany's.

Since a few months archive.is is unstable regardless of where I connect from, Spain or not. Are others not seeing the same thing? Maybe 20% of the times I try to use it the servers aren't responding.

At the bottom of that page FYI -

"Note: archive.org, or web.archive.org, run by the Internet Archive and the most-used web archive on Wikipedia, is uninvolved with and entirely separate from archive.today. Please keep using archive.org"

They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist / FT / WSJ / WashingtonPost etc...

Well except paying $300 a month I guess.

You get the right to say this when you make a better one. Otherwise, you're just telling people to stop accessing information.

IA doesn’t bypass paywalls when archiving, so it’s the only option we have for that, imperfect as it is.

Oh interesting, thanks

Why not?

Russia doesn't produce content that anyone wants to pay for. So piracy is no economic loss for Putin. Secondly Russia's economy is going down the drain and the population definitely needs distraction from the war. Bread and circuses.

If it's an unreliable and untrustworthy site (which it is) then it's not of value to much of anyone. Archiving requires both of those things