'We hacked the FBI:' Hackers say they have data on all FBI employees (404media.co)

167 points by spenvo 4 hours ago

jacobgold an hour ago

At this point, no one seems capable of keeping a large database safe. I assume all medical and biographical information that exists is in the hands of the major state actors.

China hacked 22.1 million records of US government employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag...

coldpie 29 minutes ago

It is unthinkable to me that anyone believes there is such a thing as computer security after so many years of nonstop hacks and leaks. If you have a computer and it is connected to a network with access to the Internet, assume that computer is semi-public. Meaning, if someone was interested enough in accessing your computer, they could do it. Do not hook any computer with access to anything that would be devastating if it was made public to the Internet. Do not put anything that would be devastating if it was made public onto someone else's Internet-connected computers.

For example, do not hook your goddamn water or traffic or electricity infrastructure up to the goddamn Internet, and then, do fire the guy who suggested it.

The correct analogy for computer security is not locks and keys and doors and gates. It is a house in a floodplain. Your house will not survive the flood of it hits you. Do not store anything critical or irreplaceable in that house.

shepherdjerred 12 minutes ago

It used to be that nothing was secure but that was OK because at least adversaries would have to expend effort. If you are one of a million companies why would anyone hack you. Maybe if you are a target you need a lot of investment, but most orgs only prevent the most egregious of vulnerabilities.

The calculus has certainly changed. Hacking is becoming even more frequent and… I’m not really sure what the equilibrium looks like.

It’s not really an option to stop using computers or networks. But it’s going to be way too expensive (or maybe even impossible) to secure even just critical systems.

Maybe banks and governments can secure themselves (and that’s a big IF) but it really feels like something fundamentally has to change.

throwup238 8 minutes ago

sippingabonedry 18 minutes ago

A generation of coders who can't/are scared to write "Hello world" in C without Claude doing it for them has not helped.

passwordoops 15 minutes ago

titzer 35 minutes ago

And the city wonders why I don't want to put my credit card info in their crappy parking app and would instead prefer to put a quarter into the meter for 30 mins.

lotsofpulp 31 minutes ago

What info can be gleaned from that? Surely the mere fact that you have a credit card means your name and billing address are floating around.

I guess your parking history around town could be valuable if someone is targeting you.

ceejayoz 29 minutes ago

primitivesuave 10 minutes ago

The recent Epic vs Health Gorilla lawsuit is an example of how your medical records have almost certainly made it to the hands of many people you will never know about.

Taek 44 minutes ago

Google seems capable

ChosenEnd 32 minutes ago

Mythos can hack 200 million government employees

tdhz77 41 minutes ago

Mythos can do much worse

simur 33 minutes ago

Yeah, about the medical information. Recently in Poland there was a hack on the medical system called MyDr that is used by commercial medical facilities. Estimated 21M people could've been affected. So it is already happening and the scariest thing is, we don't have control on where our data is stored on. Even the EU GDPR didn't make it easy to control what data lands where.

kakacik 23 minutes ago

banks still largely do... if they lose this fight, society has a problem

reactordev an hour ago

There’s a scene in Battlestar Galactica (2004) where someone asks Captain Adama why the Galactica doesn’t have networked computers. So the cylons can’t hack the ship…

ishouldstayaway 36 minutes ago

It's not just a scene; it's the whole premise of the setting. It's why the Galactica survived and the newer ships did not. It's why the new Vipers got wiped out and they had to pull the old ones out of mothballs.

In the pilot, the Galactica was literally being turned into a museum, and that's why they lived.

28304283409234 33 minutes ago

"What do you hear, Starbuck?"

jshier 28 minutes ago

Which was always pretty stupid. At best it means the Cylons can't hack the whole ship, just whichever part they exploited to gain access remotely in the first place. But really the Cylons would've needed exploits for each individual system anyway, since simply connecting them with wires shouldn't just do that. And unless those other systems are completely air gapped with no wireless or other access, it would be trivial for them to still gain remote access, or have one of their infiltrators provide a local connection of some kind. AFAIR that was never a plot point, which was odd.

joshheitzman 17 minutes ago

> And unless those other systems are completely air gapped with no wireless or other access

That is exactly the canon.

reverius42 16 minutes ago

> whichever part they exploited to gain access remotely

I think you missed the point of "no networking", you have to actually physically sit in front of the computer. There is no remote access.

dylan604 20 minutes ago

There's also a scene where they do network the computers and are hacked nearly instantly.

gchamonlive 43 minutes ago

I think it's one of the first two special episodes right at the beginning of the series, and it's the sole reason why the fleet could sustain evading the cylons

mikeyinternews an hour ago

this is the way

mjhagen 41 minutes ago

So say we all

1970-01-01 13 minutes ago

If this was 1992, we'd be retelling and celebrating the hack for decades.

1992 was 33 years ago; this is almost an unremarkable event. It will be superseded by whatever happens in AI news by the end of the month.

corvad an hour ago

Looks like it was an Oracle PeopleSoft 0-day so I imagine there are a lot more systems vulnerable.

ctkhn an hour ago

I wonder if that was really a 0-day or an intentional backdoor?

paimapi 35 minutes ago

it's Oracle, 99% chance it's a 0-day lol

tencentshill 3 hours ago

Well that's a big one.

Perhaps firing expertise and hiring incompetents wasn't a good idea.

baggachipz an hour ago

I always assumed DOGE + Ka$h would create an impenetrable fortress of strength; a beacon on the hill of brilliance and security.

classified 43 minutes ago

If you use Trump Coins to reflect the Evil Eye away from you, nothing bad can happen to you.

debo_ 29 minutes ago

rayiner an hour ago

Doesn’t seem new. Do you remember the 2015 OPM hack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag.... My data got leaked in that.

consumer451 an hour ago

Was that the one where due to political grand-standing, we had a government shutdown that led to furloughing the contractors who worked on security, so no one was watching the dashboard? Or was that a different one?

freejazz an hour ago

Probably just one of the new recruits clicking on a link while viewing beastiality

sippingabonedry 15 minutes ago

> Perhaps firing expertise

The expertise that told them to buy PeopleSoft years ago, or do you actually believe the FBI home-rolled its own HRMS in the last year?

Are they related to the expertise that was supposed to lead to the immediate, irreparable offlining of Twitter after they were all fired?

nateb2022 2 hours ago

There's incompetence in every major company including Oracle. PeopleSoft isn't known for being the most modern or secure thing out there. Less reliance on 3rd party software like this will be a good thing going forward.

lenerdenator an hour ago

That's assuming that the result of this will be to switch away from PeopleSoft.

Zigurd an hour ago

nateb2022 an hour ago

mc32 2 hours ago

Do you think this is a consequence of the seemingly quarterly RIFs at Oracle? Is it that offshoring wasn’t such a good idea?

lenerdenator an hour ago

The irony, of course, is that this will likely have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation, which will have a negative impact upon its value, which will then be resolved with more RIFs.

It's okay. Larry got another island.

jandrese 8 minutes ago

dylan604 18 minutes ago

jmclnx an hour ago

Betelbuddy an hour ago

Lets hope the Epstein files see the light of day, thanks to AI...

TutleCpt 19 minutes ago

404 Media is doing a much better job at breaking major stories than mainstream media. Nice.

johnnyApplePRNG 16 minutes ago

I mean ... that's kind of literally their name ... (not found media)

smalltorch 4 hours ago

Thats a major attack on the US.

If your systems are compromised and need to coordinate, what do you even do if you can't trust anything, assuming the attacker is still inside the network?

Joel_Mckay an hour ago

In general, most governments have standard operational policies that mitigate such issues (ISO 15408.) =3

dvh an hour ago

ISO and ICC start with the same letter, just saying...

Joel_Mckay an hour ago

lenerdenator an hour ago

Is it, though?

If the goal is to exfiltrate data, I guess it is. If the goal is to make the people working in the FBI feel vulnerable - and pushing out this sample data would suggest that it is - I don't think it is. You could probably do the same with data from social media sites and data brokers.

smalltorch an hour ago

Uh yeah, it dangerous. Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

Consider open investigations with covert agents. Leaking their identitys could compromise entire investigations.

Hopefully there was some foresight in washing undercover agents from these systems to other secure ones or something otherwise that's pretty bad.

dylan604 15 minutes ago

whynotmaybe 43 minutes ago

> data totalled between two and three terabytes.

That's lot of data for a list of employees.

AraneaDev 32 minutes ago

I was gonna say. What else did they get, whole dossiers with photos etc?

steveBK123 an hour ago

Claiming they got all employee & spouse data.

Wondering about pets..

corvad an hour ago

Hmm ShinyHunters seems to be in the news quite a bit recently. Most high profile was the Canvas LMS hack last spring right during college finals. Wonder if there will be a ransom for this data as well.

augment_me 15 minutes ago

They got paid for the Canvas hack allegedly about 10M$ by Infrastructure, so it makes sense to continue. This one probably has a larger price tag

john_strinlai an hour ago

they have been on an absolute roll for quite awhile now.

S-E-P 34 minutes ago

Hasn't that db been pwned previously?

alexjplant 23 minutes ago

Trinity cracked the IRS dBase, not the FBI one.

KronisLV an hour ago

That feels like publicly announcing that you want to be in a lot of trouble.

kelseyfrog 3 hours ago

So they're getting access to a year's worth of free credit reporting for the inconvenience?

Apocryphon 40 minutes ago

Remember how the original Mission Impossible movie (1996) was about the bad guys getting the NOC list? This feels somehow even worse than that.

dgellow 4 hours ago

Im sorry given how bad of a situation that is, but it would be so ironic if they used Claude or codex for this

ben_w an hour ago

If the claim is true, I'd expect them to have used either those models or Grok or similar.

Of course if I was the FBI, I would make it so hackers trying to breach the system get a honeypot where all the data is fake, and with LLMs (even poor ones) it would be very easy to fake an entire alternative reality.

levocardia an hour ago

So, what are the odds this was done with an open-weight LLM?

DaSHacka 24 minutes ago

Uh 0%?

There are many people that run open weight LLMs. And unsurprisingly, they don't all have a copy of the FBI employee database.

If you mean "using" an open weight LLM in combination with other tools or even potentially frontier models, then that's a lot more likely.

Ancapistani an hour ago

Meh - I'll believe it when I see the actual data.

Qilin allegedly hacked BATFE about a month ago, and the files were never posted to their site.

jgalt212 an hour ago

If I use Claude or OpenAI swarm to commit crimes, and the vendor knows I'm up to no good, what's their liability? Do they plan to invoke the phone company defense?

bearjaws an hour ago

America is at war and losing comically.

Every day 2 major organizations get hacked, whether by groups or state actors, and America continues to sit on its hands.

The government should be creating a new digital defense department to better defend our country, and fund the defense of our nation, but instead it is busy renaming lakes and renaming "AI".

Almost like its run by a bunch of 80 year olds...

Jamesbeam 23 minutes ago

I will tell you where this gets really embarrassing for the FBI.

Oracle enterprise applications are a gold mine for attackers precisely because nobody treats them as security-critical systems.

In 2025 the Clop ransomware gang discovered that Oracle E-Business Suite has a critical vulnerability (CVE-2025-61882) that allows unauthenticated remote code execution.

Graceful Spider (tracked as Clop affiliates) started exploiting this in early August, well before Oracle issued a patch in October. That’s a two-month window where attackers had free rein.

All you need to know about Clop is that they got fucked by SH as well just a few days ago.

ShinyHunters defaced Clop's Tor leak site and added its own branding and messages. SH claims it stole source code, system logs, plugins, and Tor onion service keys. SH says it plans to give Clop 72 hours to respond to an extortion message.

Say what you want but these kids got balls. Won’t help them once SOCOM starts dealing with them, but they had a good run so far. I think hacking the FBI is as close as you can fly to the sun before the hammer drops.

In February this year they breached Wynn Resorts and lifted data on 800,000-plus employees. Can you guess the entry point?

If you guessed Oracle PeopleSoft, you were right.

Now you’d think the FBI IT people would have noticed that oracle software is a potential national security risk, if multiple ransomware groups keep focusing specifically on the shit Larry Elison personally have to seem vibe coded, over and over.

But Ka$h replaced most of the competent people at the FBI with Ka$h people and by pure luck Oracle won a $396m HR government contract this summer. Who wouldn’t want to supply the most secure software product to manage some of the most sensitive data within the agency, if not the Oracle Moscow branch.

https://mesoclever.com/2026/06/11/oracle-wins-396m-hr-contra...

They even mentioned in the above June article:

> Separately, the cybercrime group ShinyHunters claimed to have exfiltrated student, financial-aid, immigration, health, and administrative records from PeopleSoft instances at more than 100 organizations, predominantly universities. The group stated it had previously targeted an *FBI PeopleSoft server* before pivoting to educational institutions already compromised in earlier campaigns. Oracle has not publicly confirmed the scope or remediation status of these incidents.

So the FBI knew, and had it coming, and if stuff like this happens, THE HEAD needs to roll. And all of his buddies in IT should permanently get to spend their time outside the government at the seafood buffet at Ka$hs favorite gentleman’s club as well.

Fookin Big Idiots.

Simulacra an hour ago

Again?

giancarlostoro an hour ago

...and this is how the FBI makes you a higher priority target, and you wind up caught.

clint an hour ago

US keeps arresting and charging people from this group for well over 6 years now, and this happens in 2026. They don't sound very scared.

woko 34 minutes ago

The group is not afraid, but the individuals who got charged probably stopped all black-hat activity: there was an individual in his early twenties who "was sentenced to three years in prison and ordered to return $5 million", which is life-changing to say the least.

clint 10 minutes ago

phendrenad2 an hour ago

Imagine the FBI's relief when the hackers only got a list of their employees, not the UFO files.

DaSHacka 12 minutes ago

More like a different set of files...

htrp 2 hours ago

TLDR. A Peoplesoft (Oracle HR) instance was compromised which allowed movement into GovCloud (AWS)

ok123456 an hour ago

PeopleSoft 0-day.

Just goes to show that the wall of IT bureaucracy does nothing. I'm sure they had an ATO, a several-hundred-page SBOM, compliance audits, etc.

0xbadcafebee an hour ago

The attackers exfil'd 3TB of data, which obviously included PII, from AWS servers. They should've had DLP, active monitoring, countermeasures, using a security vendor (you can set this up for AWS services using CloudTrail, CloudWatch Logs, etc). You're supposed to have that for sensitive government or military work, and it should have (at least) caught that much traffic going to a rando external IP, blocked and flagged.

If they did have it set up, then somebody wasn't doing their job. If they didn't have it set up, they didn't comply (which is also not doing their job). I see this all the time. The security analysts send tickets to people when they see major issues and nobody is held accountable for inaction. Management asleep at the wheel (which is also their cover, can't be blamed for what you made sure you never knew about).

lenerdenator an hour ago

It doesn't do nothing. It does make things somewhat harder to attack.

There was a time, 25-ish years ago, where exploits were thrown about like candy at a parade. The procedures you mention, along with other things, have made zero-days like these more valuable than gold.

jimbob45 an hour ago

I’m skeptical that multiple terabytes of data were exfiltrated quietly. I’m struggling to see this as anything other than a bluff.

chrismarlow9 9 minutes ago

If it was compressed prior to exfiltration it would be much smaller than the original data. I would expect this is mostly human readable text and a fairly high compression ratio. Agree it would still be large but 2 TB at 7:1 ratio drops to 285 GB. I don't know how much these servers are doing with data but I'd suspect sneaking out 10 GB/day over a month or 20GB/day over 2 weeks isn't going to trip up much. The CPU hog for the original compression might, but if you batch out the process in chunks (like a good data engineer), you probably wont trip many thresholds outside of expected use. Just a theory on how I might sneak that much data out of somewhere that has eyes on it, I don't know many details except what's in the article.

iAMkenough an hour ago

I'm less skeptical after seeing it happen to IDScan and terrabytes of government-issued IDs being exfiltrated quietly.

Still skeptical, but the FBI's vendors are just as vulnerable to 0-days as Hertz's vendors.