Pi Durable (earendil.com)

91 points by paulsmith 2 hours ago

lukebuehler 37 minutes ago

Very cool to see Pi build a durable agent harness too. I've been building in this space for quite some time myself [0][1] and it is a super interesting place of innovation. Less hype-y that on-your-machine coding agents, but all major players are building products in this space: LangChain Deep Agents, Vercel Eve, OpenAI Agents API, Anthropic Managed Agents, etc.

The main reasons are:

1) they are "durable", i.e. easier to make long-running in an unattended way, and easier to implement recovery, monitoring, etc

2) separating the harness from the compute brings safety and scaling benefits

3) easier to make multi-player.

[0] https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed

[1] https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/agent-os/

the_mitsuhiko 34 minutes ago

It's quite an interesting place to hack on, because it's both a well understood problem but with so many wrinkles to it. I can't count how many earlier designs we chewed through before we ended up with the final one and I would not be surprised if we learn even more about it.

lukebuehler 26 minutes ago

Yes, from your release post I can tell that you put a lot of thought into it!

I like your structured concurrency approach with tasks, which is similar to how I do it in Lightspeed too.

Also, the durable state implementation as documents is elegant! Question, though: why directly write/read to the store, why not abstract it and do more of a reducer/redux pattern and hide the persistence of the documents?

badlogic a minute ago

the_mitsuhiko 19 minutes ago

rcarmo 22 minutes ago

I'm loving it. Already converted a few of my smaller tools to it, and am ripping out the guts of piclaw to replace them (in time)

saagarjha 9 minutes ago

Nice! I made my own version of this for Pi but I’m excited to see if I can just replace it lol

ireadmevs 31 minutes ago

> The entire source code, without tests, is about 15,000 lines, which comes out to about 150,000 tokens with GPT and about 250,000 with Claude.

Woah, that big of a difference when it comes to token counting?

dnoberon 17 minutes ago

Yeah don't get anyone going on the labs different tokenization schemes lol