Sites in ChatGPT (chatgpt.com)
156 points by polvi a day ago
ttul 2 minutes ago
Very polished. I suspect OpenAI will abandon this project at some point to focus on other core products. This kind of feature is great, but it spreads them thin, and other players like Cloudflare are rolling hard to provide this kind of convenience to agents with far greater depth. This is not a judgement against ChatGPT Sites - it's a well-executed product.
nathanfig 4 hours ago
I have been using Sites a few months now, really underrated feature IMO. Any time I get a quick app idea I just hand it off to Sites and usually get a working prototype within the hour.
For example, here's a game where you are a mouse hunting for cheese in higher dimensional mazes: https://manifold-six-axis-escape.nathan338932.chatgpt.site/
Idea came to me while at a concert, was ready to play that same night.
rednb 2 hours ago
Polished and easy to use website builders have been around for a long time, from Wordpress all the way to Wix.
The fact is, most people aren't builders and never will be. Building software is about formalizing and automating processes, and 95% of folks aren't interested in putting even the most basic effort into improving their business by approching it at a strategic level. Too focused on keeping the lights on and/or more interested in field operations.
For another example look at the many businesses using @gmail addresses to run their business while Google Workplace has streamlined custom domains for a while.
So in practice, ChatGPT Sites will mainly enable software agencies to build websites and offload maintenance to the customer : just manage it from your ChatGPT account. The equivalent of Bring your own cloud for Mom and Pop businesses, and other small companies. Not even sure ChatGPT Sites will create meaningful downward pressure on agency rates.
Lesson learned the hard way.
maxgashkov 6 minutes ago
> Polished and easy to use website builders have been around for a long time, from Wordpress all the way to Wix.
The issue with the Wordpress and Wix is that the site stay polished for approximately 1 second after it has been initially published. In 6mo~1yr it's unmaintainable pile of dogshit that is easier to redo from scratch.
xcafebabe an hour ago
could not agree more! most people really aren't builders. AI enables builders
throwaway314155 2 hours ago
Oh come on. Sure, it might not be a production-capable system. But comparing an Astra 6/Sol 6.1 powered sites to wordpress and wix is apples and oranges.
rednb 2 hours ago
tomtom1337 2 hours ago
Really cool idea! Beat level 6! I'm still not sure how to explain how it is showing more than 3 dimensions on a 2D screen though! Would be nice to be able to choose which dimensions are represented at the various N-dimensions, but the UI might be tricky to get nice.
nathanfig 2 hours ago
Yeah you have actually picked up on something that the game intentionally does to help the user: If the cheese can be reached by any of the dimensions you are currently on, then it will ensure that dimension is in the subset of dimensions you receive when you go down a dimension.
Otherwise I'd have to introduce some kind of dimension picker. Maybe a fun hardmode.
tomtom1337 2 hours ago
nashashmi 7 minutes ago
[delayed]
sixtyj an hour ago
*.chatgpt.site - I see many dead sites in very near future.
Is it possible to export site to own domain?
nathanfig 28 minutes ago
Yes, I've exported and self-hosted in the past. I'll sometimes use Sites to mockup something and then I'll download and pass it onto another agent for use in something bigger.
riffic an hour ago
From what I can tell, "Sites" product supports custom domains so it's not an "export" per se but it is a way to map.
https://learn.chatgpt.com/docs/sites?surface=web#connect-a-c...
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001339-creating-and-us...
bgirard 2 hours ago
Same. I went to a music festival and their website was hard to use, and the schedule was difficult to understand. And the area had bad connectivity. A few prompts and I was able to build a much better offline site.
Juvination 3 hours ago
I made it through the 6th puzzle, it was a lot of fun. I basically just stayed in 3 dimensions until I had to move up and then went back to 3.
nathanfig 2 hours ago
Yeah I think moving up and down dimensions is the best strategy. I find spamming movements in 6D works but only because the paths are dense enough.
svachalek 4 hours ago
Wow that game makes my head hurt. Cool idea!
nathanfig 4 hours ago
Thanks! Yeah I find it helps to jump back down to lower (comprehensible) dimensions, move closer at that level, then jump back up.
Puppies4Life 3 hours ago
Melted my brain. 10/10.
financetechbro 32 minutes ago
Super fun game!
jr3592 3 hours ago
pretty fun! beat level 6 after about 4 minutes... should add some more levels :)
nathanfig 2 hours ago
Yeah if I were to make it harder I would introduce more sparse connections requiring the user to actually understand the layout, right now you can kind of "feel" your way towards the cheese. Most brutal maze would be one with only one possible path and lots of backtracking required.
Maybe I'll do that and post to HN later, didn't expect this much response!
jwpapi an hour ago
People seem calm in here, but I really now think is replacing a lot of industries. Like Website Designer. I totally see people asking chatgpt to build them a website instead of paying them 2,000 USD.
Soon it will connect to Ads and it will runs for it as well.
Honestly since Opus 5.5, Opus is my interface for 95% off my work. I don’t open emails anymore i let it summarize draft and handle most of the work and I only talk to Claude and not read/write the emails myself.
I also barely go in analytics dashboards anymore, Most I do is creating artifacts to explain if text is not enough for me to understand.
I’m going to bed. I have analytics running for every cancellation on my software to see what goes on. I have a/b tests running that are getting interpreted automatically. My bugs are getting fixed automatically.
I can monitor my competitors and copy every feature a/b test resolution they’ve done instantly for (3$ of my budget)
I’m an early adaptor of the latest models. The labs will have better tools already, but it really feels like a breaking point. What’s normal for me today is normal for more tomorrow and the friction has never been lower...
Interesting..
LeBit 11 minutes ago
You don’t mind letting a company get 100% access to your personal data?
Unless you use a zero data retention inferencer?
kolinko 7 minutes ago
Most people host their data on cloud anyway. Once you turn off training there is no difference to storing data with OpenAI/Anthropic vs Google or Meta.
cjonas 33 minutes ago
Once everyone operates as you do, then websites will have little value. Just publish a .md file or API if you have interactivity.
jwpapi 30 minutes ago
I’m aware.
rawgabbit 21 minutes ago
I took it for a spin. I used Claude to create a self contained HTML file with JSON data embedded to create a SVG bar chart with sort and filter buttons. I then gave the HTML file to ChatGPT Work and it created the site using the provided HTML code unadulterated.
I then asked the next question. How can I automatically update the embedded JSON data. It gave two answers which I thought was weird. First, it said I could using a plugin to an MCP server. Second, it said I could use an API and when I asked for which API... it said there was an API available in ChatGPT Sites but no details. So I assume it can be done.
What I am thinking of is to use ChatGPT sites as a replacement for SharePoint. I can create self contained HTML charts and let employees view it within our enterprise instance of ChatGPT. The piece I am working on is how to automatically update the embedded data from our database.
dash2 2 hours ago
Look at the "beneath the surface" example. Click on a creature close-up. Click the "rotate creature" button. The creature's rectangular jpeg, complete with black background, rotates on screen. No 3d or anything. This is their demo! It has that Potemkin village quality, much like AI apps, code, and answers.
bonoboTP 2 hours ago
They forgot to add "make the creatures rotate in 3D" to the prompt.
ameliaquining 2 hours ago
I wonder if they'll combine this with the currently-in-closed-beta Sign In with ChatGPT to let people make sites that can make inference calls that get charged to the user's ChatGPT subscription rather than the site owner's API billing account, like Claude Artifacts already lets you do. That would synergize well with ChatGPT Sites being generally more robust and feature-complete than Claude Artifacts.
vatsachak an hour ago
The idea is great but the websites shown as examples are clearly made by AI because they make no sense.
Current AI is NOT going to replace web devs or coders because it cannot tabula rasa make human sense. I suspect the reverse with a Jevons thingy happening
tripleee an hour ago
If you have a product manager directing the AI (instead of developers) to build what they want then it will make sense.
vatsachak an hour ago
But then you quickly have tech debt build up because current LLMs cant plan over long scales
kolinko 2 minutes ago
tripleee 43 minutes ago
bananaflag 4 hours ago
This is probably going to be hugely successful with the majority of the population.
copperx 4 hours ago
It's a matter of weeks/months before they'll host a complete webapp, not just a site. The Saaspocalypse will be complete.
corytheboyd 3 hours ago
On one hand, I am incredibly tired of seeing the absolute train wreck of waste that is suave founders taking millions and blowing it on hundreds of personnel who do practically nothing— especially having seen what a single person can do with these tools.
On the other hand, death of a livelihood in a social structure that doesn’t care about you.
We’ve always had pump-and-dump trash. The terrible stuff loses and the good stuff wins. I don’t see why that would change.
The companies that ditch the management structures of yore and successfully build better software faster with the new tools will come out on top. I don’t think these companies will replace ALL saas subscriptions with in-house solutions, because one huge benefit of paying someone else to hold that bag is liability and regulatory overhead.
htrp 2 hours ago
weitendorf 2 hours ago
They’ve both been working on this for a while, I’m surprised they still haven’t launched.
Domains, auth, and databases are probably the stickiest software products of all time. I suspect it’s a combo of security concerns and the risk of eroding goodwill among developers (their most important customer base rn) if they move up the stack too quickly. Once you know that the goal is to become cloud vendors, train on/compete with their own customers, and own the entire software stack e2e it’s hard to really feel grateful that they’re dragging it out but planning on doing it anyway.
For those of us working in infra/SaaS outside these companies it’s pretty clear that the only viable path that doesn’t involve getting cannibalized is training your own agents/models. The new coding agent-infra-data business model is a path towards full commoditization and undifferentiated prompting in 3-4 vertically integrated walled gardens. If you ever start making real money on pure software infra they’ll just be able to eat you alive by implementing something similar, training on their own tools rather than yours, and integrating it into their stack (which all of your customers are on already).
Also, you should only ever use $20-200/mo subscriptions on work you want them to train against or you don’t mind automate yourself out of. Think a little bit about what you’re teaching them to do when you use their products, especially if they’re the primary interface you’re working in. People are going to start caring about this a lot when the AI companies feel safe enough to begin the “extinguish” phase of AI coding. Train your own models!
dennisy an hour ago
Fergusonb 4 hours ago
I think this has always been the end result - when the user can enter a business problem and it spins up a site, and they don't have to think about the hosting, database, app, etc.
Vibe coding full circle
And it will be good enough for 90% of use cases.
datsci_est_2015 33 minutes ago
carlosjobim 3 hours ago
avs733 4 hours ago
jr3592 3 hours ago
Honest question for devs out there... is anyone worried? I don't see enough frank conversation happening around this subject. Timelines. How long until salaries fall? Is it too early to stalk thinking about back up plans? Am I crazy?
CuriouslyC an hour ago
weitendorf 2 hours ago
ActionHank 2 hours ago
tripleee 2 hours ago
vlucas an hour ago
aduwah 2 hours ago
codingdave an hour ago
bartekrutkowski 2 hours ago
dyauspitr 3 hours ago
pazimzadeh 2 hours ago
What do you mean in a few months?
Yesterday my dot made a web app to view 3D microscopy files
https://mucus-atlas-viewer.pazimzadeh.chatgpt.site/?sample=k...
I didn't even know about the sites feature
andix 3 hours ago
I don't think this provides a lot of value for more complex applications. It just lowers the bar for getting started.
Once the app gets a bit more complex, it won't be that much different to any more traditionally vibe coded application (code, git/pr, test, deploy, ops). It only removes the barrier to get started, but doesn't solve any of the real problems. Problems like AI slop, code rot, bad architecture, security issues, data loss/breach because of bad code, and so on.
fassssst 3 hours ago
It is a complete web app, with a Cloudflare backend.
nathanfig 3 hours ago
I mean, with a Cloudflare API key you can pretty much already do that. But keeping your data straight and putting in the right authentication guards, etc. are all still where the business problems meet technical and the AI is not enough unless the agent is both architect and customer.
nozzlegear 3 hours ago
The Saaspocalypse was a wet fart that never went anywhere. People aren't using these AI tools to kill or replace SaaS at their jobs as much as HN wants us to believe.
https://www.stripeeconomics.com/p/the-saaspocalypse-was-more...
ameliaquining 2 hours ago
axus 4 hours ago
Except for the companies that pay anti-competition money to OpenAI: cloning their applications will be restricted.
devin 2 hours ago
I doubt it, but I am open to being wrong.
People curate their brands on socials. Having a website is not really the badge it once was, and the ability to generate them like this further reduces the social proof they used to provide.
weitendorf an hour ago
Look at squarespace + wix + lovable + framer + vercel + wordpress (and agencies), cloudflare, godaddy, etc. and think about how much more demand there is for a vertically integrated one stop shop without friction. This is a massive market even if it doesn’t become myspace.
This is the top of the funnel for most people building a tech product or marketing their business, so it’s very helpful if you intend to sell other services they might want to use down the line. (Cf Cloudflare except imagine if they also integrated ads into one of the most popular websites in the world)
willmeyers 3 hours ago
Yeah, I'm seeing how I can move my dad's website to this so he can manage his site on his own.
amelius 3 hours ago
Eternal AI September.
owebmaster 3 hours ago
This is probably going to be as successful as Sora
dpkirchner an hour ago
The Sites feature seems a lot more monetizable than Sora ever could have been.
postatic 44 minutes ago
I was imagining the other day what other "apps" that frontier labs can get into. If we had "Claude Mail" or "ChatGPT for Workspaces" it would be very interesting. Email service created by Claude, then docs (they have it already?) then all the business apps layer (heck integrate your vibe coded apps onto these! build your own slack, CRM)
If models are commoditized and apps is where the grab is - I actually wouldn't mind a new email provider - GMail has not practically changed in the last 10 years I feel.
londons_explore 20 hours ago
This seems to close a gap that both Claude and chatgpt had.
If you ask something like "please make a little website for me and my friends to plan our shopping lists on", I would expect the result to be:
"Here you go: https://shopping-lister.chatgpt.com/"
Unfortunately right now most AI models get into the weeds of asking the user to sign up to netlify or firebase or buying a domain etc - none of which most users are interested in doing.
nzoschke 3 hours ago
Looks very useful.
I’ve been using exe.dev to throw up micro sites. It has a built in web agent and first party mobile app agent. And any coding agent that can use “ssh” (all of them) can easily figure out how to drive it.
It also has a lot more developer and PaaS tools like GitHub integration.
RIP Heroku for imploding before the wave of vibe coding. We had the ability to “spin up a free app on the internet” before it was cool.
yakkomajuri an hour ago
Something I've been thinking a lot about recently is how much we still need UIs vs if we'll just interact with agents.
We have a platform that enables building both and I still find UIs to be quite relevant. Especially if it's so easy to build like in this case because you can always throw together a visualization for something quickly and then never look at it again.
This looks really cool and because I'm in a tangential space I know how fun and useful it's been to build and host stuff on the web quickly.
We're geared towards fully-fledged (serverless) apps and agents for internal use only though, in case it's of interest to anyone: https://railcode.dev/
sachinag 42 minutes ago
Sites is so good that it’s changed my workflow - I start in Opus 5.5, have it write a plan to Google Docs in markdown, then have Codex pick up the plan, shave it down, and build the prototype. A little annoying to switch tools, annoying enough to only do this on desktop, but the output is fantastic.
limbor an hour ago
They are desperate to find a moat cause models aren’t much more than a commodity.
What they might not realise is that stuff/services like these (ChatGPT Sites) are probably not much of a moat either in a world where majority of population has access to increasingly better models capable of building competitors in days if not hours. Even if they restrict usage of their models when it comes to creating competitor services there will always be other models that you can use to build competitor.
What is happening is that their products are putting people out of work but at the same time they are also enabling anyone to easily build competitors to their own products and are thus putting their own services “out of work”. They are essentially eating their own tail. Ouroboros. Is noone seeing that?
The only truly lasting moat might be hardware/compute. At least for now.
StrLght 4 hours ago
Looks like a jab at Lovable.
Wonder what domain they're going to pick next. I feel like many LLM-dependent businesses are going to get sherlocked by OpenAI and Anthropic.
zergrush 3 hours ago
honest question what is the sherlock proof business/app/saas we can do as independent builders
hard out here hard for startups too
CuriouslyC an hour ago
Personal relationships, trust and a preexisting audience are your moat, from now until the end of time, in every field.
demibabs 2 hours ago
If your business is just software… it might be cooked.
Sheeny96 an hour ago
micromacrofoot 3 hours ago
something with a real life physical component
awestroke 2 hours ago
something that solves a real problem for businesses, that you are uniquely positioned to execute on well. If you target the lowest common denominator, or consumers, or build something really quickly - good luck
Aboutplants 4 hours ago
Gonna wager good money they attempt to relaunch Apps or something of the sort, where you build, launch, host within ChatGpt, seamlessly making it easier really soon.
Then the app economy gets going within ChatGPT
bluebands 3 hours ago
already did, you can host plugins on ChatGPT Sites now, announced at devday
sajithdilshan 3 hours ago
I’m getting dejavu. Is this the 2026 version of Yahoo GeoCities
kakugawa 3 hours ago
I love the concept, but the `.chatgpt.site` suffix reflexively makes me think of those early-2000s era sites.
infamousclyde 18 minutes ago
Seems like Ploy, I think.
charlesabarnes 2 hours ago
I think this is the next step in the evolution of AI based tools. We can develop the app or tool, but we need somewhere to easily publish it.
I actually recently shared my own version of this concept, but self hosted. I'm optimistic that there can't be much lock-in from the big providers, but I think there's a large market to capture
npilk 4 hours ago
My fun little project has been Sherlocked! https://weejur.com
For whatever reason most of the sites are Arabic-language prototypes for things like plumbing companies. I'm not sure why - if those are solving a real problem, or whether someone is running a scam, or what.
demibabs 2 hours ago
Cool project, but the hero art is a little strange (what is the dude on the left hammering? Aren’t the ones on the right both pulling the pulley down from opposite ends?)
Very clean site design though.
npilk 2 hours ago
Thanks! I think the fox is steadying the log as the raccoon hoists it. Agree the badger is sort of hammering the air, haha. The art was AI-generated but with some manual editing in Affinity, so hopefully it's not too sloppy.
christoff12 4 hours ago
Very nice. I really like the design.
I got tired of spinning up repos for basic pages, so made my own host last year - https://pageplane.app.
I think the SEO/AEO agencies are using them to seed content for clients.
yellow_lead 4 hours ago
Funny how the showcased "Tidal house" has unreadable text on an image.
https://tidal-house-retreat.openai.chatgpt.site/
> Quiet cabins. A view of your own.
NicuCalcea 2 hours ago
Also, there's a missing space in "Look insideeach cabin" and "Save astay plan".
amne 4 hours ago
luckily that's a prompt away from being fix^H^H^Himproved
InvisibleUp 2 hours ago
They'd better be proactive with checking for abusive users, because I can easily see people trying to spin up honeypots, crypto miners, scam sites, etc. on this. Especially given that the hosting appears to be free with undefined CPU/RAM limits.
ChrisMarshallNY 3 hours ago
Looks good. Like most ChatGPT things, though, it will probably take good prompting and iteration, to ensure that the sites have individuality.
Still, I suspect a lot of independent Web developers are sweating. It was already getting tough, but this is a coffin nail.
c0rruptbytes 3 hours ago
i love sites
i make it for anything, i made one as a food guide for the UW chow down https://uw-chow-down-2026.corruptbytes.chatgpt.site/
jatins 4 hours ago
Probably the most underwhelming feature of Chatgpt. I dont know why its so slow and overall terrible as compared to Claude artifacts
lizardking 4 hours ago
I've been using this for probably six weeks. It just popped up as an option one day in Codex.
tripleee 4 hours ago
hows your experience been?
lizardking 4 hours ago
I've found it to be very helpful. A fairly painless approach for hosting a quick prototype.
mglvsky an hour ago
impressive, but brand websites mostly "eaten" by curated accounts in social media
6thbit 3 hours ago
I'd like to have one of this but where the content is dynamically updated by a 'cloud' agent on schedule, is this feasible today?
ameliaquining 3 hours ago
andix 4 hours ago
Is there anything similar that's open source and self hosted and can be hooked into any agent via MCP?
I know that Vercel or something similar is quite close to that, but it's not that well integrated into MCP/Skills.
ajayvk 2 hours ago
I have been building https://github.com/openrundev/openrun. OpenRun allows you to build web apps, adding OIDC/SAML with RBAC to control who can access the apps. Supports MCP for app management. Also supports service bindings, which enables providing each app an isolated database account.
tripleee 4 hours ago
My guess is Google and Apple are going to eventually take all the market share for this "app builder" category. They own the device market-share and can offer way better integration
amelius 3 hours ago
If Apple doesn't up its AI game soon, their entire ecosystem will be rebuilt by AI.
jchanimal 5 hours ago
We’ve been building something like this, but perhaps even more powerful, safe, and beginner friendly. If Sites looks like it’s the right speed for you, we’d love your feedback on https://vibes.diy/
demibabs 2 hours ago
Clicked on it and wondered why it loaded slow.
Lo and behold the homepage bundle size is almost 10mb… Seems to mostly be caused by all of those images. I suggest you guys compress those ASAP.
AznHisoka 4 hours ago
Does anyone know if Claude makes it easy to publish sites u vibe coded to a custom subdomain or new domain? That’s the biggest reason I use this feature in ChatGPT over Claude
titel 2 hours ago
You can ask Claude to deploy it with ShipStatic. It works pretty well for this use case, no account is required, and you can publish to a custom domain/subdomain without much setup.
Disclaimer: I’m one of the people behind ShipStatic.
mystifyingpoi 3 hours ago
Pretty sure if you give Claude your AWS keys, it will easily deploy the stock CloudFront setup in minutes. But that's not as seamless.
AznHisoka 3 hours ago
Not sure I wanna give them my AWS keys...
throwaway314155 2 hours ago
pmkary 3 hours ago
Sadly while the example: https://below-the-surface-ocean.openai.chatgpt.site can be detected as SLOP on the first contact of photon with the retina, I honestly cannot detect https://frame-studio-motion.openai.chatgpt.site and it is giving me depression. The website is basic, but it doesn't feel slop. And I guess that is something.
I'm genuinely sad that what we learned with hard work and sweat, our craft, our identity, our soul; is now something you can buy. I've been in this profession for a long time and now I see people who have absolutely no fucking clue, but lots of money, and they buy all these agents and make things that work (way more broken, with absolutely shit quality), but they work and so they brag about their creations to me all day long, and man that makes me feel like a total loser.
I spent decades trying to master media theory, language design, computer graphics, compiler design, rewriting systems, mathematics, logic, build systems, graphs, data-flow systems, making GUI kits, layout systems, ... all to make a better system for thinking, and now the whole idea of thinking is outsourced (as altman says "sold as utility by the meter"). I need to become an addict or something and be wasted. This is not a life.
olalonde 9 minutes ago
If it's any consolation, almost no craft will be spared. Software was simply first in line because of how much training data was available, but it won't be the last.
Kirby64 3 hours ago
> I honestly cannot detect https://frame-studio-motion.openai.chatgpt.site and it is giving me depression. The website is basic, but it doesn't feel slop. And I guess that is something.
Are we looking at the same website? My eyes immediately go to the font and typeface styling and it registers immediately as AI generated. There’s a very distinct “AI” website aura that Claude and ChatGPT make that requires you to change a ton of the styling to make go away.
danhon 3 hours ago
The copy for that one is very slop, too.
owebmaster 3 hours ago
Yeah OP comment is really, really weird. It sounds as slop as the links shared.
demibabs 2 hours ago
Forget the design, you can always tell these are slop by just reading the copy.
I agree the second site is nice looking though.
altmanaltman 2 hours ago
You spent decades on this and you think that linked website is not slop? You say its "basic" but its really not, its overengineered nonsense if you look closely.
encom 3 hours ago
uBlock needs a slop filter post haste.
And I wish there was a SponsorBlock type, crowdsourced slop filter for Youtube.
specked-citrus 4 hours ago
Add WYSIWYG site builders to the list of businesses on the chopping block.
amelius 3 hours ago
At least they lived a good life as free-range businesses.
fillskills 18 hours ago
Been using it for a while. Very good experience so far. Maybe even better than claude or replit
imagetic 4 hours ago
I’d be firing my entire marketing team if this is all they came up with.
freedmans a day ago
Is this better than Claude? Probably not, right?
I haven't used ChatGPT in over a month. I bounce between Grok, Gemini & Claude. Is ChatGPT even worth it.
Grok can do things the other two can't, like read and fetch websites sometimes where Claude and Gemini cannot.
Gemini is just someone to feed javascript to when you want to save on Claude tokens.
scotty79 21 hours ago
It's worth for the token budget. You can do so much with gpt-6.1-sol (high) on a small sub. If the money is not aan issue it's probably still worth it for Astra because it can occasionally be smarter than Fable 5.1 (or so I heard).
wvenable 5 hours ago
This is my impression as well; ChatGPT/Codex is very affordable for what you get.
nsmith22 19 hours ago
If you want a solution that works with any model/harness, try ht-ml.app!
crudgen 42 minutes ago
Would be great if all AI slop sites lived under a common namespace...
htrp 4 hours ago
rip base 44 /wix
zergrush 3 hours ago
wow there goes lovable's moat
ghm2180 4 hours ago
geocities vibes?
digitaltrees a day ago
Could you just be an API to serve intelligence instead of moving into the app layer and putting your clients out of business. How much wealth and power do you need to accumulate seriously?
nharada 4 hours ago
The "intelligence API" layer seems like a pretty rough business to be in. The smarter the models the more they're commodities (since they can use any harness or scaffolding) resulting in a race to the bottom on pricing. And then each new better model requires double the cost of the previous one.
I'm surprised there's not a bigger push into better and useful memory, since that would result in actual lock-in.
godwinson__4-8 4 hours ago
The question of them moving into the app layer is completely irrelevant. If you are threatened by this the reality you need to begin making peace with is that your business is not going to exist within 10 years. And that's being extremely generous.
I hope you support UBI.
reacharavindh 8 hours ago
This was always the play… Wait until the models are trained to work on “capsules of your data” stored by OpenAI, and deploy your apps/services onto OpenAI cloud where you can _easily_ share the development with your team members’ AI agents. Ofcourse, they will all work only if you use and pay for their models via their subscriptions. A new global {K-V, Relational, Vector} database that your coding model is already trained to work with! will come very soon…
They know the API price wars are a race to the bottom with little/no profit margins.
digitaltrees 7 hours ago
I think this is going to back fire. I have talked to 5 tech leaders at companies and universities this week about setting up their own infrastructure for inference and training. They are worried about multiple rug pulls: increasing cost of tokens, stealing ideas, training on data etc. they are all willing to uses less intelligence models if they avoid these issues. They’ve seen me setting up propelcompute.com for my start up and propelcode.app neither of which are intended to be commercial products and want to do the same.
bit1993 13 hours ago
Don't worry, we had DreamWeaver, Wordpress and other tools for a long time now but it still did not replace web developers. Build quality tailor made websites that connect to humans and you will be fine.
tripleee 4 hours ago
DreamWeaver and WordPress both had limits on the complexity of site they could build. If you wanted more than what they can do, you look to web developers.
That limitation doesn't exist with ChatGPT
hyperionultra 4 hours ago
copperx 4 hours ago
I'll make a note to come back to this comment in a year.
micromacrofoot 3 hours ago
They owe investors something like $200 billion dollars, so no.
acedTrex 2 hours ago
another easily blockable domain at least
thefourthchime 4 hours ago
If you're wondering why OpenAI's models seem to be struggling to stay ahead of Anthropic and are falling further behind, I think it's because of side quests like this.
They have dots, they had Sora, so many other things that take away attention from just having the best model. There are already a bazillion ways to do this. Sure, the integration's nice, but it's just not needed.
dofm 4 hours ago
Weird to describe something they could really easily sell to non-coders as a "side quest".
I think programmers make the mistake of thinking generative AI is for us, when it is much more ominously about us.
Newsflash: a company that plans to be the most valuable business on earth and has a desperate need for revenue is not going to stay out of anyone’s lane if there is money to be found in it. If you can make an AI wrapper, so can they.
This actually looks like it has meaningful potential, and given how easily they could train it to connect to a whole bunch of off-the-shelf APIs running in data centres they control, looks like a little glimpse of the future, and of the kind of power the industry has gleefully handed to the crypto-for-your-eyeball-scans guy.
Cloud AI has been the face-eating leopard of the tech industry for the last three years. This is them just starting to chew. How long before they tweak it to generate intranet apps, mini stores, specific AI wrappers? Why wouldn’t a firm that has so much influence over data centre rollout, RAM and processor prices simply directly start using their code generation tools and data centres to build and run the work product?
Maybe some of the big firms who have been helping train ChatGPT to eat their lunch will now wake up to the need for open weights.
ceejayoz 4 hours ago
> There are already a bazillion ways to do this.
Which means non-technical ChatGPT users are a bit bewildered as to how to pick.
This makes that easy; I suspect normies will fucking love it. My boss will.
oooyay 4 hours ago
I think at this point assessments like this are more qualitative than quantitative. I use Codex far more than I use Claude for coding and my results are generally higher quality. I would not, however, go to someone and tell them that Codex is better than Claude generally. In large part it depends on how you use the model and the harness.
nrmitchi 4 hours ago
All of these "side quests" (and especially this one) are attempts to build a walled-garden.
Especially this. OpenAI will host it. OpenAI will throw "Sign in with ChatGPT" there. "Apps" will be built that depend on end users ChatGPT "connections". The app will fundamentally not work without an end-user having a ChatGPT account/subscription and "connected apps".
Having "the best model" will absolutely not support a $1T+ valuation. Owning the activity of 25-50% of internet users (assuming a split between OAI/Anthropic/Google/maybe-Meta), is.
zarzavat 4 hours ago
OpenAI is trying to build a business to justify their valuation, while they pursue ASI at the same time.
Anthropic is just trying to get to ASI and relying on the blind faith of investors that there will be a return at the end.
What matters is which strategy is more effective for attracting investor capital, because neither can survive without it.
pezgordo 4 hours ago
Is it surprising? Most devs at my company (2k+ employees) are using Oppus and casually burning millions token a day.
apsurd 4 hours ago
This take sounds like engineering not "getting" what product even does. OpenAI has a company to run and a business to build.
The frontier companies are scrutinized heavily for their trillion dollar valuations all without a clear mass-consumer use-case. They're trying stuff.
iTokio 4 hours ago
It’s pretty obvious that they are trying to lock in consumers.
They are trying to build an ecosystem that can capture the value of AI, whereas LLMs are quickly becoming a commodity.
Where is the moat? How can they convert users?
If you were sitting on a rocket burning cash to not crash you would do that too.
postalcoder 4 hours ago
OpenAI has an enormous team working on Codex. The folks who train models are different people.
andix 4 hours ago
OpenAI models are not falling behind Anthropic. They just have different strengths.
maxdo 4 hours ago
in terms of building sites, gpt is ahead e.g. computer vision etc.