The Forgetful CPU (Linux on M4) (yuka.dev)
102 points by signa11 11 hours ago
sscaryterry an hour ago
Imagine how big Apple would/could be if they embraced open hardware. They do have a moat here. macOS is so bloated, I hate it, but the hardware is just so much better than anything else.
MBCook 35 minutes ago
Apple is a vertical company. They don’t WANT to sell you hardware. They don’t want to sell you software.
They only want to sell the whole package. You might as well ask the Catholic Church to start a rap music 8-track only record club. Same probability.
The hardware is a means to an end, and nothing else to them.
rl3 8 minutes ago
>You might as well ask the Catholic Church to start a rap music 8-track only record club. Same probability.
I dunno, the current Pope is kind of cool. Never say never.
Sadly that scenario probably has better odds than Jude Law and John Malkovich getting there first.
UltraSane 7 minutes ago
But Apple could make a lot of money selling Linux servers with their CPUs.
palata an hour ago
Is the hardware so much better, or is their integration superior? macOS can be bloated but still more efficient, right?
I mean, the "so much better" in my experience is really the battery life.
Quothling 32 minutes ago
They are the only laptop company who makes a fanless laptop that never gets hot to touch with long batery life. I'm still on my m1 air with the smallest configuration you could get at the time. Yet it's somehow capable of matching my T14 i7 with 32gb og ram for most of the work I do, and it does it without getting hot or having it's fan sound like it's a fighter jet taking off. To be fair my t14 is a corporate windows machine, so it's not like it's a fair fight.
I'd love to replace it with something like a framework or a tuxedo, but they all get hot to touch. Maybe I'm in the minority, but a laptop not heating up when you turn it on is one of the most important things for it. It doesn't matter much for work, because it'll sit in a dock anyway, but I rarely use my m1 air at a table.
compounding_it 20 minutes ago
abrookewood 4 minutes ago
That is my exact take - new Mac Book Pro M5. Love the battery, like the hardware quality, don't care at all for the rest of it. MacOS is annoying.
mahboi an hour ago
The Intel period of MacBooks allowed a more direct comparison. Don't think macOS itself is the differentiator vs Windows.
But vs Linux, well even Linux on a non-Apple laptop tends to mean screwed up power management. The display system might be less efficient too, depending whether it's X11 or Wayland, and idk which one is the good one.
Rohansi 10 minutes ago
adgjlsfhk1 an hour ago
their single core perf is just much better than anyone else
oso2k 29 minutes ago
MBCook 30 minutes ago
Select13 an hour ago
Apple is one of the biggest companies in the known universe. If every single person on earth who wanted to use Desktop Linux were to buy the most expensive Mac Apple sells in order to do that, the revenue would not be material relative to Apple's existing size. Please exit your bubble.
bigyabai 19 minutes ago
Who said anything about desktops? The ARM datacenter is being taken over by Nvidia's Grace and Vera CPU products. If Apple supported OpenBSD, Linux or Solaris, they could destroy Nvidia in CPU performance and kick Graviton and Ampere to the curb forever. But instead they've left the low hanging fruit as another trillion dollar market for Nvidia to eat up.
r_lee 7 minutes ago
PunchyHamster 2 hours ago
Weird to buy machine with company actively hostile to anything open to run open stuff
inventor7777 an hour ago
Is Apple taking steps to purposefully blocking open stuff, or are they just pointedly ignoring it and continuing to develop new hardware? I am genuinely asking, I don't know myself.
edit: speaking mostly about macOS here, mobile OSes are much more locked down
Dylan16807 an hour ago
For desktops and laptops, the latter. But for phones and tablets they do not want user control. And even where they do allow it, even a tiny effort in hardware documentation that would make it so much easier never happens. So it's quite hostile overall.
inventor7777 9 minutes ago
lmz an hour ago
The fact that they still allow this would point towards the latter. They are quite capable of locking it down like they do the iPhones.
londons_explore 31 minutes ago
rstupek an hour ago
It’s the latter
procone an hour ago
I think you might be forgetting where you are. They call it "Hacker News" for a reason.
polishdude20 an hour ago
I wonder if AI could make this work? Have there been any attempts to have AI do the work needed?
MBCook 32 minutes ago
So we get a good article finally on someone actually doing impressive hacking and the response is “give it up, let AI“?
Where is the challenge or the fun or feeling of accomplishment in that?
yjftsjthsd-h an hour ago
wmf 34 minutes ago
AFAIK the M4 and M6 reverse engineering is AI-assisted.