Cloudflare acquires Deno (deno.com)

940 points by ilreb 9 hours ago

theodorejb 8 hours ago

> We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime. Deno will remain open source, and we welcome others who want to continue its development.

So unless someone else picks up development, Deno will no longer be supported.

tech234a 5 hours ago

The yt-dlp project uses Deno as its default and preferred JavaScript runtime when downloading YouTube videos (this replaced their own handwritten JS interpreter). Fortunately yt-dlp also has support for Node and QuickJS as well as deprecated support for Bun, but I don’t think any of those were preferred by the project for various reasons such as portability, security and I think also speed.

See https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/14404, https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/15012, and https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/wiki/EJS.

antalis 2 hours ago

QuickJS works fine for yt-dlp and is way smaller: less than 1 MB vs 34 MB + its many dependencies for Deno.

See https://github.com/denoland/deno/discussions/9811

bambax 4 hours ago

For asynchronous downloading of huge media files, speed should not be a priority?

lavela 3 hours ago

antisthenes 3 hours ago

827a 5 hours ago

As I recall, they picked Deno over Bun during the whole vibecoding rewrite fiasco from six months ago, and there wasn't a ton of explanation given beyond the general vibe of "ai bad". They might reevaluate that in light of things being generally fine and losing their precious handcoded runtime choice.

stymaar 5 hours ago

tech234a 5 hours ago

its-summertime 5 hours ago

tedivm 5 hours ago

locknitpicker 4 hours ago

binlog 8 hours ago

This is a wild detail to just bury at the bottom. So many companies went all-in on Deno in recent years. Some even did major migrations off Node.js. Sucks for them I guess, but that's always the risk in chasing the shiny new thing over sticking to the old and dependable.

redox99 7 hours ago

You can migrate off deno in a single day. It's not a big deal.

matesz 7 hours ago

anvuong an hour ago

beanjuiceII 3 hours ago

notnullorvoid 4 hours ago

hodder 7 hours ago

echelon 6 hours ago

orthoxerox 32 minutes ago

Well, the license Deno is distributed under explicitly warns you (sorry for all caps):

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.

fg137 7 hours ago

Exactly why any company that cares about long term maintenance should stick with Node.js except in cases that justify alternative runtime.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bun is abandoned at some point as well.

(Which is why I am happy to see new runtimes but never care enough to seriously use or adopt them.)

sionisrecur 7 hours ago

duskdozer 5 hours ago

I guess "joining" was the key word here. But I'm not particularly surprised now that I see it meant acquihire.

kuekacang 8 hours ago

I went all-in with bun. Did I bet wrong?

user43928 8 hours ago

behnamoh 8 hours ago

Buttons840 7 hours ago

elcritch 8 hours ago

How will this affect those of us relying on those projects? It's not just those companies but also the customers of those companies.

cscheid 7 hours ago

gritzko 7 hours ago

not-kinsale-joe 6 hours ago

I wonder how much they have financially contributed to Deno.

jimbokun 6 hours ago

At least open source gives them an opportunity for the community to find a way to support it going forward. But I suppose that's just table stakes these days.

trio8453 7 hours ago

Asking as a non-JS person - what's the cost and effort to switch?

jayknight 7 hours ago

ForHackernews 5 hours ago

Radical idea here, but maybe those many companies could _fund_ the development of key components of their infrastructure.

christoff12 2 hours ago

galaxyLogic 2 hours ago

jkahrs595 6 hours ago

Anybody who has been bitten by the many issue with Yarn over the years can tell you, just stick with stock tools and deal with it.

conartist6 7 hours ago

It's why I usually look more closely at the comments here than at the story for stories like this.

porridgeraisin 8 hours ago

I was really surprised that cloudflare was acquiring deno to be honest, I have written about this here before, Deno was always sort of dead to me due to how little they cared for compat of all kinds (nodejs, CJS, backwards). It was refreshing to see bun care a lot about it (well, now its on a different path in other ways).

Then I read that paragraph, and it made more sense that they're acquihiring + killing.

vazark 8 hours ago

troupo 7 hours ago

coldtea 7 hours ago

>So many companies went all-in on Deno in recent years.

Companies went all-in in a barely established niche player with 1/100 the traction, instead of sticking with Node, and even better an LTS Node, and are now surprised?

Do they also do their front-end in Dart?

jamesrr39 6 hours ago

CSMastermind 6 hours ago

sysguest 7 hours ago

limagnolia 5 hours ago

jchw 5 hours ago

maherbeg 7 hours ago

vmg12 7 hours ago

Onavo 7 hours ago

hodder 7 hours ago

Honestly migrating back is trivial now. It just isn't that big of a pain.

2OEH8eoCRo0 7 hours ago

> So many companies went all-in on Deno in recent years.

They should hire a few devs to develop it then.

clint 6 hours ago

Seems like an extremely risky thing to do. Luckily they can keep maintaining it and improving it if their business is truly dependent on it.

port11 3 hours ago

‘Acquires’ is an interesting word, given they’re hiring people and sunsetting the product. They didn’t buy Deno, they hired the team that built it and that forces them to abandon the project.

Language really means nothing these days…

(Yeah I’m salty, I got all in on Deno a year ago.)

dkersten 6 hours ago

So "Deno" isn't joining Cloudflare, Deno is effectively defunkt and its former team is joining Cloudflare.

vorticalbox 5 hours ago

jsr is moving to cloudflare.

chiffaa 4 hours ago

simonw 8 hours ago

I don't like how that's in the Deno post but gets no mention in the Cloudflare post. Seems like a pretty important detail!

rancar2 7 hours ago

I think it’s covered appropriately for the audiences. The two posts are for different audiences and purposes. The Deno post by Ryan is for the Deno audience, which is mention at the top of his writing on the Cloudflare post that is for a broader audience of what this means for the Cloudflare audience: “For more on what's happening to the Deno runtime and our various efforts, see my post on the Deno blog.”

FWIW both Ryan and Kenton are very transparent in person, in public, and online over their professional careers. They will and do openly change their minds based on new information and opportunities as time goes along. Both are now founders of open source projects acquired by Cloudflare for the technical architecture talents seeing a future that they would like to build.

baobabKoodaa 4 hours ago

elcritch 8 hours ago

Definitely negative karma points for Cloudflare.

sysguest 7 hours ago

lukan 4 hours ago

So they don't want to buy Deno, they want to buy the team to work on something cloudflare specific.

patcon 3 hours ago

I'd say it's durable object specific. Both team deno and cloudflare (and many others) have been won over by the paradigm. Cloudflare is just the primary implementers of it as a strong example of an actor-based programming model at infra layer, but others have been trying to push it (Rivet, and TerseAI's durable actors, celld)

EDIT: like the whole enthusiasm is that they are buying them because they are generalizing a thing to be NOT a cloudflare thing

brundolf 5 hours ago

Oof.

The writing had been on the wall though, ever since Bun's rapid success with their alternate strategy. Deno quickly started removing its opinionated stances and playing catch-up on Node compatibility.

I loved their original vision, and I'm glad they tried. They had some really cool ideas for a better world of JavaScript, and I do think they placed some pressure on Node and made it better in the process. I'm also glad they're getting a buyout for their hard effort, even though it's probably more about hiring a team of skilled JS runtime engineers than about acquiring the technology.

RIP Deno

bodge5000 6 hours ago

Funny that with Bun being acquired by Anthropic, if this big bet on AI doesn't work out we'll end up right back where we started; Node. Obviously Deno will still be OSS, Bun would likely end up that way too, but you get the idea

swyx 4 hours ago

but even in that scenario, the node competitors absolutely spurred new energy and innovation in node, as node themselves have acknowledged

edf13 8 hours ago

This is the real headline... and more so that it has been hidden away.

taikon 7 hours ago

Why would they acquire them then shut it down? Is there a reason for that?

ttul 6 hours ago

Fundamentally this acquisition is not about Deno the open source project. It’s about buying an amazing team that has built a self-hosted version of Cloudflare Workers that actually doesn’t suck. And that is all about commoditizing the complement.

Deno built celld, which implements the Workers and Durable Objects programming model with self-hosting in mind. Cloudflare says its own distributed infrastructure is too complicated for straightforward self-hosting, and it hadn’t successfully solved that problem. For customers who might be reluctant to commit to being locked in to Cloudflare’s infrastructure, having a rock solid self-hosted alternative reduces that reluctance.

galaxyLogic 2 hours ago

arnvald 6 hours ago

Acquihire - they’re acquiring it for the team behind it to eventually develop proprietary software

moistoreos 6 hours ago

jauntywundrkind 6 hours ago

Hopefully not to stop celld, the cloudflare Durable Object compatible impl. https://github.com/denoland/celld https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49185430

Phrased as it being merged into the existing, but I can't help but fret a bit. Is cloudflare willing to let their own core compute product be something available to the world? Absolutely sick wins if so. But I worry celld pretty reasonably seen as a threat.

coloneltcb 6 hours ago

jms703 6 hours ago

acqui-hire

syrusakbary 2 hours ago

I'm happy that the Deno team found a suitable home. Cloudflare is likely the best place for them to land. I believe they will do great things together. However, I'm a bit concerned that there are very few independent Node.js runtimes: Anthropic acquired Bun, and now Deno will not be developed further.

Somehow I don't believe that Cloudflare doubling down on their own runtime -workerd, which will be likely migrated to Rust soon [1]- is the right choice (since it push on semantics that can only be run on Cloudflare infrastructure). I strongly believe Node.js semantics are likely the right ones for agents.

If anyone is looking for a full-open source alternative to Node.js that can run everywhere (browsers, phones or servers), please be aware that you can rely and use Edge.js [2] (disclaimer: Edge.js is part of the company that I founded: Wasmer)

[1] https://x.com/KentonVarda/status/2108559594691690663

[2] https://edgejs.org/

kentonv 2 hours ago

> since it push on semantics that can only be run on Cloudflare infrastructure

No, workerd and its semantics are not exclusive to Cloudflare infrastructure. People really do run it in production without using Cloudflare at all (I really wish I was allowed to say who because one of the users is hilariously ironic...).

Ryan's and Bert's core focus at Cloudflare is going to be making the self-hosting story better.

This was emphasized in the blog post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/

syrusakbary 2 hours ago

zem 2 hours ago

> now Deno will not be developed further.

that's an interesting reflection on the nature of open source - in theory the source is there and "the community" could conceivably continue development. especially in the case of something like deno where the people most motivated to keep it alive are already programmers. but the reality is that however distributed an open source project is in theory, in practice it needs a single entity to steward it, otherwise it will die.

hopefully that single entity can be a consortium of companies invested in using the runtime, sort of like opentofu recently.

saghm 2 hours ago

syrusakbary 2 hours ago

hanspagel 2 hours ago

Dumb question: Why do we need many independent Node.js runtimes?

galaxyLogic 2 hours ago

syrusakbary 2 hours ago

sdcfgy 2 hours ago

galaxyLogic 2 hours ago

Why Edge of Node.js?

heliosAtwork 6 hours ago

The CloudFlare blog concludes with:

"By bringing celld and workerd together, we want it to be radically easy to build and operate distributed applications on your own infrastructure."

It does not appear they are close sourcing it. He mentions workerd is open source. Roadmap needs better communication but it appears people will be able to switch to new merged OSS version. It's just not well defined what it looks like yet.

kentonv 6 hours ago

We don't completely know what it will look like yet either, but it will absolutely be open source -- as workerd and celld are both already.

benrutter 6 hours ago

Genuine question, is this legal under US anti-monipoly laws?

I don't really know anything about that area, but didn't Facebook get in some trouble for purchasing Instagram in part due to them being competition.

Surely buying a company out only to close their main offering is defined as anti-competitive?

WorldMaker 6 hours ago

US level anti-trust laws don't touch on a lot of anti-competitive behavior, mostly specifically it almost solely concerns just trusts and monopolies. I don't think I've heard of a court case ever before simply on the death of a product.

But also US anti-trust laws at the federal level have always relied on a strong FCC, FTC, and US Attorney General's Office to execute, all of which are currently neutered and/or understaffed under the current administration (and may take years to recover even in the best case scenarios). The US has decided it is a season for trusts and monopolies.

(See the mergers of Paramount and WB into Skydance consolidating 200+ combined years of movie history into a single monopoly under the Oracle nepobaby and almost directly undoing/mocking one of the largest and oldest anti-trust cases which was US v. Paramount Studios which set precedents for how large a movie studio could grow that lasted almost 100 years.)

(There might be something the state of California could do, but I don't know how much they want to get involved.)

bsimpson 4 hours ago

Uvix 4 hours ago

thayne 6 hours ago

I'm not sure if it is legal or not, but it happens all the time, and nothing is done about it.

IMHO, it shouldn't be allowed.

scottyah 6 hours ago

Do you think Deno was real competition for Cloudflare, and now that they've merged we don't have alternative options for goods/services that are mostly essential?

I think if Cloudflare and Google merged, it still wouldn't be a monopoly because of AWS (and many others).

dml2135 3 hours ago

> but didn't Facebook get in some trouble for purchasing Instagram

They got scrutiny over it, sure. But trouble? No, I would say that they did not get into trouble.

TSiege 5 hours ago

In what sense did deno compete with cloudflare? It is a niche runtime and cloudflare is a cloud platform

tancop 5 hours ago

pjmlp 6 hours ago

The fate of many forks, while reference implementation keeps chugging along adopting the most relevant features.

etatester 6 hours ago

Deno is decidedly not a fork for Node.

pjmlp 5 hours ago

giancarlostoro 8 hours ago

Thats really upsetting ngl.

yoyohello13 7 hours ago

Damn that sucks. I love Deno. It really should have ‘won’ the runtime race. Oh well.

ericfr11 6 hours ago

Interesting. I guess open source is not as dependable as it used to be

nchmy 8 hours ago

I missed this when I skimmed the post. Sad stuff. I'm a big fan of deno.

sebmellen 8 hours ago

Fuck me! We’re going to have to start our migration as soon as possible. I knew we were in a precarious spot after the layoffs, but this is a truly sad outcome.

zengid 3 hours ago

i guess bun won

moralestapia 8 hours ago

Hmm ... so why would they acquire it to let it die?

yxhuvud 8 hours ago

Classic acquihire? They allow customers to run javascript in their end nodes, surely the competence is useful.

corytheboyd 8 hours ago

Competitors use it as their serverless JS runtime, likely as simple as that.

ffsm8 8 hours ago

BrunoBernardino 4 hours ago

I'm saddened by this, and will now need to plan for some migration work in a couple of production projects. Sigh.

hackerbrother 7 hours ago

Shame- it is my favorite Markdown formatter.

rvz 8 hours ago

I mean we already have a winner (Bun) and it just means that Deno has admitted defeat.

From what is likely going to happen is that Deno will be donated to the Linux Foundation to avoid this.

binlog 8 hours ago

Bun admitted defeat and sold themselves even before Deno. Node.js is and always was the winner.

kaliqt 7 hours ago

behnamoh 8 hours ago

Kinda feels like a rug pull, similar to Bun.

kaliqt 7 hours ago

Not even close as Bun is still being actively developed, albeit with less fervor.

singpolyma3 8 hours ago

Which any existing user can just do?

steve_adams_86 32 minutes ago

I'm so bummed about this. Deno is by far my favourite JS runtime. I could sense this coming for a while now, but I was hopeful and just waiting to see what happened. Here we are. I'm glad I don't need to get off the runtime immediately. Sad we won't see any innovation like we did in the last 8 years or so.

I hope workerd at least adopts Deno's security mechanisms so it functions as a better sandbox.

One of my favourite projects of 2026 was a configurable LLM harness built around using deno as the runtime. The idea is that the configuration builds a state machine-driven program which is bundled into a binary that can only provide access to the I/O your code explicitly needs. I used it primarily to build interactive programs for colleagues which allow some LLM magic to occur without needing to worry about what they would do with Claude Desktop handling the same data or accessing the same machines and so on. It also allowed for testing local LLMs in deterministic patterns. How do they reason about what to do next when they can evaluate the possible states they can enter, based on the current context? It was really fun. Now I don't really know how I'd rebuild it, knowing I wouldn't use Deno. Maybe that's worth learning anyway.

sholladay 6 hours ago

I loved early Deno and am sad to see it die. I invested heavily in the Deno ecosystem because of Ry’s initial vision for it.

But I stopped because I saw this coming the moment they changed course and started putting npm compatibility as a priority. Deno’s surface area went from beautifully simple to very bloated. I think they felt the pressure of VC funding and just gave up on rebuilding Node from first principles.

The silver lining is that early Deno was so good that Node copied some of its features. So at least we have a better Node now.

carefulfungi 5 hours ago

Bun's adoption rate (because of its NPM compatibility) was the forcing function; not VC funding. Deno could pursue a slow-and-steady better-will-win approach vs. Node until another runtime competitor appeared with a more seamless node integration. In fact, the VC funding is what made the slow-but-steady strategy possible in the first place.

afavour 5 hours ago

Strong disagree. Deno could have been a cheaply run open source project with corporate sponsors and could have pursued the slow and steady approach. There's no reason to feel pressure from competitors unless you want to if you're forging a genuinely new path. "Clean break from Node" was the differentiator. Once they abandoned that the reason for using it went away.

The moment they took on VC funding they had to care about competitors and also had to move away from the framework to things like Deno Deploy in pursuit of money.

carefulfungi 4 hours ago

genxy 4 hours ago

the_gipsy 6 hours ago

They basically gave up the day they decided to become npm compatible. That was the day Deno died.

shepherdjerred 6 hours ago

That’s the day I switched to Bun

spankalee 5 hours ago

an0malous 3 hours ago

Enshittification is inevitable once a company takes VC funding

coldtea 7 hours ago

"Deno development effectively shut down via a Cloudflare acquihire" would be a better headline.

atif089 4 hours ago

I'm trying to understand this. Cloudflare wants the people to work on different priorities or cloudflare wants deno to die?

In the case of the latter, I'm wondering why. Most of cloudflares architecture like workers support js runtimes so wouldnt investment into deno be more strategic than other priorities

cprecioso an hour ago

I'm more thinking of "Deno (the company) lost interest/faith in Deno (the runtime), so they were looking for an out". They like working with runtimes, so Cloudflare is probably a good choice.

I guess this is why so much core staff left suddenly some months ago.

conductr 4 hours ago

It’s likely that this could be true but they simply have something else they want the acquihired to work on and feel Deno would be a distraction. At least they’re being honest with it instead of letting development stall and all the ill will that comes with the usual slow death by acquisition

brcmthrowaway 6 hours ago

Brilliant take, this is why I come here. Cut through the "our amazing journey" BS.

sixdimensional 4 hours ago

So the developer tooling consolidation/acquisitions continue... hmm!

- Cursor -> SpaceX

- Astral/uv -> OpenAI

- Stainless -> Anthropic

- Bun -> Anthropic

- Astro.js -> Cloudflare

- Deno -> Cloudflare

- VoidZero (Vite, etc.) -> Cloudflare

- NuxtLabs -> Vercel

- Hugging Face -> NVIDIA

- ... what else?

simantel 4 hours ago

Shopify bought Remix and Tailwind and hired the maintainer of Preact

mahboi an hour ago

Scala -> Vertiseit AB this year, I was going to joke about someone acquiring Scala but found out it really happened

GitHub -> Microsoft, or is this too old

wodenokoto 3 hours ago

Didn't we use to say that the startup exit strategy was to sell to Yahoo. I guess now a days it is sell to AI

hirako2000 3 hours ago

- Warp -> OpenAI

replit is NOT aquired.

- Marimo -> CoreWeave

- Continue -> Cursor (xAI)

Yes open source tooling is gulped by AI companies.

jatins 3 hours ago

Replit is not acquired by Anthropic

hirako2000 2 hours ago

kevinfiol 2 hours ago

Svelte -> Vercel

johnz 2 hours ago

BetterAuth -> Vercel

letrix 3 hours ago

TanStack next?

networked 7 hours ago

RIP, my favorite JavaScript runtime, and thank you. You were too secure for this world.

What kind of business move is this for Cloudflare? celld is a more complete Cloudflare-at-home runtime than current workerd. What does Cloudflare stand to gain from commodizing Workers?

I'll say that although I'm not really a Cloudflare Workers user, I've been eyeing workerd and celld with interest. The idea of a complete backend in a box appeals to me (see also: PocketBase, Algernon). At the same time, the acquisition means that another company won't acquire Deno for celld.

jitl 5 hours ago

From the Cloudflare blog post, this quote from Kenton Varda (head of Workers):

> "Lock-in" actually hurts us — that's why we went open source If there were truly no escape hatch from Workers, then some of our largest customers would never have signed on with us in the first place.

> [...]

> Ryan and Bert will be leading a new effort to make workerd self-hosting a first-class supported way to build and run apps using the Workers programming model. This will involve merging code and ideas from celld back into workerd. I'm incredibly excited for this work — I will personally be using it to host an instance of Cloudflare OS in my home.

LoganDark 2 hours ago

Love the transition from being secure on my machine to being secure on somebody else's machine. This offers additional security by making it impossible for me to move the code anywhere else. Which solves the common security problem of me moving my business anywhere else.

k9294 7 hours ago

To kill celld and potential competitor early? AFAIK, there is no a single Durable Objects alternative at the moment? It's better that way I guess.

barkerja 6 hours ago

> there is no a single Durable Objects alternative at the moment

If you live in Elixir land, there's this repo from the Phoenix team, which is quite good. It has pluggable storage, and EKV (https://github.com/chrismccord/ekv) is supported as "batteries include" type storage adapter.

https://github.com/phoenixframework/durable_server

elyase 5 hours ago

ericfr11 6 hours ago

Meaning better that there is no alternative?

Jonovono 6 hours ago

Rivet

ryanrasti 8 hours ago

A lot of the comments are on sunsetting Deno, but the more interesting part is merging the celld model into workerd.

I've been following celld since it was announced. Bootstrapping both durability and coordination off object storage simplifies so many things for self-hosting. (Yes, ironic that self-hosting has a cloud dependency, but in this case I think justified because S3 has become a widely supported protocol that you can run yourself too).

Will be curious to see the details on exactly how that model makes it into workerd.

rough-sea 4 hours ago

The plan is to bring the celld model to workerd: run a fleet of workerd instances that use a bucket for coordination and storage. Building on workerd, instead of a separate runtime means our effort isn't split and that APIs are exactly the same in both CF and self-hosted. And of course the deno team will help improve the worker runtime itself.

OtherShrezzing 7 hours ago

>A lot of the comments are on sunsetting Deno, but the more interesting part is merging the celld model into workerd.

I think people are focusing on it because if you've built your business on Deno, then the "Deno will have no support in 13 months time" is a bit of an existential risk, and will be a huge time-sink for your team. So it's far more interesting to most of the people reading this page on HN, because HN is full of people who are first-adopters.

hunts 6 hours ago

Maybe it’s time to ask AI to rewrite those projects ;)

elyase 5 hours ago

bennett_dev 8 hours ago

I feel it leaves a bitter flavor how Ryan Dahl pushed so hard for Deno and Deno Deploy for years, just to let them die within 1 year and 6 months respectively. Thankfully I don't have any codebases that heavily use Deno features, otherwise this would be a steep curve now.

TIPSIO 7 hours ago

Don’t have a strong opinion on any of this, but it’s actually super normal for anyone who helps run a business to push hard and try to grow it.

Things don’t always shake out as you plan

timdorr 8 hours ago

Investors are a helluva drug

mapmeld 7 hours ago

Yeah they just made me migrate my blog to their new cloud platform four months ago.

vanviegen 8 hours ago

Meh, those types of large scale migrations are just a very short prompt nowadays.

phaser 8 hours ago

specially deno to bun

flohofwoe 7 hours ago

To summarize my feelings: Shit!

Deno's ability to import directly from a package registry or even git repo in a standalone TS script without requiring a package.json or similar 'meta-data' file was actually really nice for shell scripting stuff. AFAIK node.js still can't do anything similar?

jauntywundrkind 6 hours ago

`zx --install` will give you this. It's quite handy and enjoyable generally for shell scripting in ts/js. https://google.github.io/zx/cli#install

ewy1 6 hours ago

if you're not locked to javascript you could use python with pep-723[1] to declare inline dependencies

1: https://peps.python.org/pep-0723/

flohofwoe 6 hours ago

I just migrated that project away from Python to TS :D (cries in corner).

TheRoque 7 hours ago

Damn. Deno is a super old project, in 2018 the Nodejs creator did the talk "things I hate about NodeJS" and introduced Deno. It's 8 years ago now, and clearly even though the project was known by most Node users, it didn't gain any traction at all. I don't even remember "the bad parts" that Deno tries to solve, were they that bad at all ? Anyways Node will keep evolving and implement new features, new standards, optimization. I think it's super risky to move to an alternative. In the age of the LLMs, if you wanna get out of Node, you better translate all to native Go or Rust.

kaoD 7 hours ago

8 years is not super old, or even old. It's important to understand software maturity cycles for core components.

yipinwong 6 hours ago

"old" is relative term. Given @TheRogue's account is 4 years old, maybe new to field. If so, it feels "old".

I understand your sentiment of justifying not being "old". but you gotta bring up "legacy code".

"Working Effectively with Legacy Code" defines legacy code as code without tests thus hard to change it easily or with confidence.

So either @TheGuardian is discussing about the age of software relative to his/her perspective or confused "legacy code" without understanding deno code base.

hbn 6 hours ago

bilalq 5 hours ago

SenHeng 6 hours ago

It may not be old, but it sure hasn’t caught on much after 8 years. I did remember a lot of posts about migrating cloud functions/lambdas to deno initially, but not much since.

I’m taking the stance that no news is bad news here. If it was good, people would be doing Resume Driven Dev with deno and we would be buried in those articles. Alas.

hbn 6 hours ago

Also it didn't hit 1.0 until 2020 so it's more accurate to say it's 6 years old.

TheRoque 6 hours ago

It's not that old, but it's old enough that it should have gained a bit of traction, it should have been mentioned in more discussions etc. And ultimately adopted more. It's purely a gut feeling though because I didn't run any numbers

goosejuice 7 hours ago

> I don't even remember "the bad parts" that Deno tries to solve, were they that bad at all ?

Well node and bun sought to solve the same problems after Deno demonstrated a path. They got to learn from Deno's mistakes as well.

etatester 5 hours ago

To me Deno died the day it decided to not support npm packages and died again when it started supporting it.

Ironically the reason why I hated it when it was introduced was the reason why they added support for npm (i.e. absolute URLs don't support semver and therefore you will load multiple versions)

mahboi an hour ago

In what way does supporting npm packages compromise Deno's design? I don't know a lot about Deno but thought it was more about rewriting in Rust, more batteries included like native TS support, and more secure defaults.

nonethewiser 5 hours ago

Once Deno's direction became clear, success seemed unlikely.

phaser 8 hours ago

I’m happy if this means Deno is able to get a second impulse. I use Deno daily and while it’s true that it’s in this weird position where it’s not sexy like bun or enterprise-y like node, it has a great developer experience. a no-surprises runtime that does a lot of interesting things the right way (like compile to desktop to a browser-less webgpu runtime), the vscode extension is flawless and overall the perfect balance of batteries included without bloat.

of course i’m only talking about deno, the technology not deno, the cloud service.

pimterry 8 hours ago

> I’m happy if this means Deno is able to get a second impulse

Bad news, sorry, the article says:

> We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime.

Sounds like Celld will live on within workerd, Deno is over.

mzajc 8 hours ago

> I’m happy if this means Deno is able to get a second impulse.

From TFA: We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime.

weli 8 hours ago

read the blogpost, they are discontinuing deno after 1 year

adobrawy 7 hours ago

The fact that Deno development is being suspended doesn't mean the community can't step in. The Deno runtime is licensed under MIT. Such forks might be impulse to grow even further.

bayindirh 25 minutes ago

shimman 5 hours ago

phaser 8 hours ago

it’s open source. i’m hoping it gets picked up by the community. maybe i’m just too hopeful

its-summertime 6 hours ago

pimterry 8 hours ago

The Cloudflare side is also worth a read: https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/

wewewedxfgdf 5 hours ago

Deno should never have been a business - there's no business model.

And worse for Deno - nodejs may not be great but it's good enough.

And may you never have an incumbent competitor that is is "good enough" - it will be your downfall.

duesabati 7 hours ago

Insane, I'm deeply saddened and embittered, I don't want to go back to NodeJS and I don't find any advantage in Bun. I guess this is my sign to just get off of JavaScript entirely.

jesse_dot_id 4 hours ago

Whatever allows you to make stuff is good enough.

duesabati an hour ago

you are definitely right, thank you for this reminder, it's just that I'm a bit tired of managing trash like NodeJS

tiborsaas 8 hours ago

Congrats on the exit :)

Finally, the next step of forking Node is up for grabs:

Node > Deno > Done (anyone?)

Latty 4 hours ago

Oned maybe.

bsoqk 8 hours ago

And then Danone.

khalidkhair 8 hours ago

This one might have to be spooned

nateb2022 8 hours ago

greeniskool 3 hours ago

I wonder how this will affect Bunny's competitor to Cloudflare Workers, Edge Scripting [1] -- which runs on Deno.

[1] https://bunny.net/docs/scripting/

255kb an hour ago

It seems VC money is not really compatible with open source

mahboi an hour ago

Maybe they all learned their lesson from Docker giving away the entire product for free

wg0 7 hours ago

This might not be seen in much favourable light by many but IMO Cloudflare has the most elegant serveless PaaS as I have seen to date.

The design and architecture is extremely minimal to the point that all of it can be explained on a single A4 page with a 14pt font including D1 + Durable objects. And I hope that it stays that way.

It has all the primitives that you can wish for to build a software system on top of it be it queues, long running jobs, workflows, pipelines, email handlers, cron jobs and even built in AI models ready for you to be invoked.

ATM - it is extremely cheap, reliable, simpler and more capable than anything out there. Deno itself had very little scope anyway because almost no developer tooling is sellable in this environment even more so post AI. Therefore, it is going to accelerate the Cloudflare platform to be the best in class and hopefully not complex and bloated.

AznHisoka 8 hours ago

I think the biggest thing Cloudflare needs to buy is some sort of Postgres-database service. They've already cornered the market for everything front-end/serverless

bilalq 4 hours ago

Cloudflare could make the biggest impact by doing something similar to AWS DSQL. There are very few options in the multi-region replicated space, and it ties in nicely with their edge workers.

shados 8 hours ago

D1 is their bet there but considering hyperdrive, a real Postgres would be cool.

I also wish they expanded jurisdiction more. I worked at companies that couldn't use Cloudflare because of specific location requirements in contracts

CuriouslyC 7 hours ago

D1 is a very different product. D1 is designed to be tenant sharded for any real workloads.

If they bought Neon that'd be a coup.

mj4e an hour ago

eknkc 8 hours ago

Yeah. D1 is nice and easy but a serverless postgres offering would make a significant difference.

HatchedLake721 7 hours ago

Planetscale?

stillpointlab 4 hours ago

I'm very sad Deno is going away, even though I've never used it nor did I plan to use it.

It is a bit hypocritical in a sense. Similar to how I was sad that a local restaurant recently closed down. In the past two years I went there maybe three times total. But I just liked having it there as an option.

Deno had a ton of good ideas but I just never felt confident that it would have the lasting power. Some of the early decisions, like their initial refusal to fully support package.json and the npm eco-system, made me unsure of their suitability as the basis for a business.

But I always wanted them to succeed. In the same way I always wanted Heroku to succeed even though I never used their service.

More options are better. But I guess "use it or lose it" applies. Did I dodge a bullet or contribute to the downfall?

multisport 8 hours ago

I'm very surprised they are not running with the runtime. That seemed like Deno's secret sauce? The rest of it is very aligned with Cloudflare already, deploy, kv, workers, etc seems like the lower hanging fruit.

DannyBee 7 hours ago

It's almost certainly not worth it. Having less software that you can keep more reliable is almost always worth it over having more software just because it's 10% faster or whatever. This isn't always true but it's mostly true.

chrysoprace 2 hours ago

It's very sad. I was excited about Deno from day one, and I wanted to see it succeed.

Deno's ability to run TypeScript files - stripping types - was arguably implemented in Node because of Deno. The consolidated tooling approach was a good attempt at solving tooling fragmentation that Node suffers from.

I think for Deno to succeed, it would've had to have been under a non-profit and maybe that can still happen.

herrherrmann an hour ago

It would certainly be nice if someone continued the work. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for it. Seems like an unthankful job (although I’m sure many projects using Demo now would be happy if it’s still supported, at least).

dabinat an hour ago

We’re in an interesting time for developer tooling. It’s easier than it’s ever been to develop new tools, but harder to monetize or maintain them. We need to figure out what sustainable OSS looks like in the AI age.

mysterydip 2 hours ago

I just learned of Deno yesterday when setting up some software for the first time. I wonder how many applications depend on it behind the scenes?

makifoxgirl 2 hours ago

I still remember this cute drawing from years ago outlining the things Ryan regret about Node

https://imgur.com/a/XFAMzOV

hbn an hour ago

Man the "cute girly sketchbook doodle summarizing a programming thing" is a throwback to a bygone era. I saw that and immediately knew "this is from the late 2010s"

I remember early into my first programming job as an intern in 2017 someone shared a very similar looking series of sketches intended to explain git with cats. I didn't understand it at the time, and then years later when I was much more comfortable with git I took a look at it again and the explanations make just as little sense to me now as it did then.

galaxyLogic 42 minutes ago

"entire Deno team is joining Cloudflare .."

Whom did they work for before?

huqedato 7 hours ago

RIP Deno. Goes into the bin, after Bun.

po1nt 8 hours ago

I was rooting for Deno so much as I was fighting with node for years. Luckily I made full transition from JS last year and not comming back.

adamddev1 8 hours ago

What did you transition to?

schnebbau 7 hours ago

AI.

jppope 5 hours ago

This is a real bummer. Work never adopted Deno but I love their model, security posture, and the standard library. I've been less interested in typescript recently, but it has turned into the default for frontend.

On the plus side, cloudflare will get access to some fantastic talent, who can hopefully put their effort into building a better web.

JaceComix 8 hours ago

Node always felt so annoying to deal with. I was really excited when Bun and Deno were coming up. Pour one out.

K0IN 2 hours ago

I was a big fan of deno, so much that I migrated all my cf worker to demo, cause you can run the same engine in there cloud and local/selfhost - perfect no vender lockin(like with cloud flare workers), it's so sad to see it gets shelved.

6thbit 6 hours ago

Didn’t they have a flashy lawsuit to free the JavaScript trademark? What happens to that now?

No indication cloudflare would pursue that yet that I see.

readyp1 4 hours ago

It looks like, after Oracle kept on pushing out the deadline for a certain step in the suit process, the parties are in settlement negotiations now [0]; the motion was granted [1], so we might see more info after October 28th.

[0] https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92086835&pty=CAN&eno... [1] https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92086835&pty=CAN&eno...

askonomm 3 hours ago

Pretty sure that was just for marketing.

aravindputrevu 6 hours ago

Last year it was bun, and now it is - Deno!

What's happening to JS platforms? I thought Deno has a much better approach to building a platform.

afavour 6 hours ago

> What's happening to JS platforms?

They took on VC funding.

SenHeng 6 hours ago

People need to eat and pay rent. Can’t survive on just goodwill.

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/exposure

yellow_lead 5 hours ago

Remember "choose boring technology"?

I had to evaluate Deno vs. Bun vs. Node for a project two years ago, and chose Node. I think Deno has good ideas but often times these projects cannot reach escape velocity, especially when they're constrained by VC motives.

vmg12 8 hours ago

If this was done to kill celld as a runtime that would be unfortunate.

edit: my reaction was too soon, it seems like they will be explicitly working on making workerd an open source self hostable runtime

kentonv 8 hours ago

On the contrary. Please read my part of Cloudflare's blog post here: https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/

vmg12 8 hours ago

I'm really happy to hear this. Congrats to everyone involved.

ForHackernews 8 hours ago

Sounds like the opposite: They are killing Deno to work on celld

agp2572 7 hours ago

This shows that there was no money to be made in their business model and they had to sell to make up for the years or losses accumulated.

amber71de 6 hours ago

Does anyone know how many paying Deploy customers there were? The post only offers migration help to paying customers and gives them six months, which makes me think the number is small enough to hand-hold. Millions of runtime downloads and a few hundred accounts on a paid plan can both be true, and only the second one pays for a team.

bicepjai 6 hours ago

Genuine question. Why are companies buying our runtimes ? What is the advantage ? Maintaining open source and having more adoption in specific softwares like runtimes and programming languages helps keep software more robust and reliable right ? Am I getting something wrong.

culi 6 hours ago

In this specific case, it's probably just aqui-hiring. There's a ton of incredible talent at Deno and Cloudflare can pay them a lot more

Also Deno was starting to try to increase revenue with stuff like Deno Deploy. If Deno did succeed, they would be a direct competitor with Cloudflare Workers

With Bun I think it was basically a marketing ploy. To show that it can be developed by AI and still useful

Quothling 5 hours ago

> With Bun I think it was basically a marketing ploy.

I don't know, the vast majority of daily Microsoft Defender offenders I have to wade through, as well as the majority of the intune remidy requests are related to Node being used in various Microsoft applications. The Azure CLI is one of them, but the one which really ranks high on the security risk levels is always something "Agent" or "AI" related folder which I assume are what runs the Copilot and Cowork clients.

I think I had around 800 CVE warnings in relations to Axios in side a Microsoft tool related to AI running node this week, from just 8 devices.

Bun having it's own batteries included is probably a nice benefit to avoid that.

hbn 6 hours ago

I think in a case like Bun they're also potentially buying the pre-built goodwill associated with the project.

thayne 5 hours ago

I there was also an acquihire component to bun as well.

mattvr 6 hours ago

In this case, they're explicitly not buying the runtime. They're killing the runtime.

ofirg 2 hours ago

If your company does not own an ecmascript runtime ngmi

sandelz 7 hours ago

A bit worried what will become of https://github.com/denoland/rusty_v8 as it still is the best maintained (?) and featured binding of V8 for rust.

rough-sea 5 hours ago

rusty_v8 isn't going anywhere - we'll keep maintaining it and will be working towards integrating it into workerd

sandelz 3 hours ago

Awesome, thanks for the reply!

rootnod3 5 hours ago

All of this just re-informed my believe to stay with true and tested systems that have survived decades. C if I fell confident and Common Lisp otherwise. Both standardized, have been around for ages, and they don’t disappoint.

I feel bad for anyone that now relies on Deno. And as good as Cloudflare might be for some things, I also feel bad for anyone relying on them.

wiseowise 4 hours ago

So is dead for all intents and purposes. And this would’ve happened to Bun if it hadn’t found its killer app (Claude Code).

Another reason why standards matter. Think twice before you bet on that VC funded horse, folks.

singularity2015 6 hours ago

Deno did bring lot of good ideas and hope some of them will flow into Node, especially full typescript type stripping, package less imports to name a few.

Also worth calling out that if you want to disrupt a major player, you need to be 10x better, not just 2x.

Either way, congrats team. Hope you going on to build something great at Cloudflare.

afavour 6 hours ago

I'll sound smug saying it but this is always, always inevitable from the moment Deno took VC investment. Either it was going to be successful enough to take over everything (and it wasn't going to be) or it would end up acquired/shut down.

I know Node is boring but it's not going anywhere.

tietjens 2 hours ago

Does this mean that celld is dead? No more open source durable objects?

stack_framer 3 hours ago

Wow, so React Native and Deno both effectively have nails in their coffins. I wonder what's next.

brabel 3 hours ago

What happened to React Native? Is it going to be discontinued as well?? We have quite a few customers using it, so we provide a SDK for it. Could be interesting if we can retire that.

drewbitt 4 hours ago

This is sad. I was a heavy user of Deno, though I recognized its likely downfall when they laid off a large part of their team in the last year.

sheept 5 hours ago

I’ve been using Deno’s permission system as a sandboxed replacement for ‘python -c’ for my agents. Hopefully a better supported runtime (in any language) adds a similar permissions system in the near future.

xena 4 hours ago

Well this sucks. My blog is based on deno as I wasn't a fan of node.js at the time. I guess I'm gonna have to rewrite my blog engine.

gen2brain 8 hours ago

I have no idea anymore what is happening, and none of the blogposts seem to explain that either. So, if I am to start a new JS or TypeScript project or whatever, what should I choose and why? One runtime used a lot of tokens to rewrite Zig project, one was already Rust, one bought, one rewritten in Go, what is going on?

n_e 7 hours ago

> what should I choose and why?

You should choose Node.js unless you have a good reason to use something else. This is what everyone uses, and it is used widely enough that it's in the same position as Java, i.e. it will be supported forever.

Also the other runtimes only offer incremental improvements.

Regarding the blogposts, you don't read a lot about Node.js because it is mature software and there isn't a lot of drama or new things to talk about.

jerf 8 hours ago

One was not rewritten in Go. Typescript rewrote its compiler in Go, but that doesn't affect which runtime you use for the resulting Javascript code. Moreover this isn't producing a fork in Typescript as it is a replacement for the previous compiler, at least once they're done with it. The JS runtime forks and churn are not related to Typescript per se.

gen2brain 7 hours ago

Yeah, after I posted I realized that Go remark was not correct, but again, I am confused how do you combine all that. JS I can read and understand (well, understand), I have seen it already, TS, I compile TS to JS right, and then I can choose any of the current available runtimes to run that code, correct? And final fat binary that is deployed has what, whatever runtime I choose to be? Huh, I think I guessed that right, I do use such apps, but never bothered to understand how they are actually packed.

mschuster91 7 hours ago

> Typescript rewrote its compiler in Go, but that doesn't affect which runtime you use for the resulting Javascript code.

It unfortunately has other implications, ts-loader (used by webpack) for example is not compatible with the new Go crap so you need to do weird pinning down to v6 to get your builds working again [1].

[1] https://github.com/TypeStrong/ts-loader/issues/1671

jerf 7 hours ago

gen2brain 7 hours ago

sensanaty 7 hours ago

There's basically no reason not to just go with Node as 99% of projects out there do

croes 7 hours ago

Isn’t the whole node npm ecosystem now with AI a greater risk as before?

thunderfork 6 hours ago

CuriouslyC 7 hours ago

I don't choose TS/JS for new projects anymore unless they're browser based. If you need to be in JS land for whatever reason, deploy with Node but do local package management/testing with Bun, because it's way faster for those and you can migrate off without too much pain if it ever becomes problematic.

alexfortin 6 hours ago

More or less the same but I dropped Bun after Anthropic acquisition so I now default to PNPM and Vitest, which is ok.

seanw444 4 hours ago

CrimsonRain 8 hours ago

There's just one worthy of using for fresh project: Bun.

Deno was never going to be a thing anyways.

WorldMaker 5 hours ago

Bun's being a part of Anthropic is just as concerning, if not more so. At least Cloudflare is being honest here that they have no idea continuing Deno support long term. Anthropic's first role in Bun was treating it as a playground to migrate from Zig to Rust using as many LLM tokens as they wished in the process. That's not exactly the sign of a steward with long term maintenance in mind.

lioeters 6 hours ago

Bun is dead. It's a skin-walker wearing the appearance of its former self. They screwed the community when they got acquired.

Deno has been successful, technically better and a respectably run project. I expect it may survive in the form of modular runtime and associated features.

SkyeCA 7 hours ago

Just use Node. Community led and supported by the Linux Foundation.

righthand 8 hours ago

Why not the standard NodeJS? Well supported and not heavily influenced by acquisition or trends like bun is?

mschuster91 7 hours ago

> So, if I am to start a new JS or TypeScript project or whatever, what should I choose and why?

NodeJS for the runtime if it's not in a browser, webpack for bundling. For the frontend stack, either React if you're in for a full application or, fuck it, good old jQuery if you don't want to do type document.queryXXX all the time. You'll find a ton of developers and coding bootcamp graduates to deal with all of that, and the AI agents should all be trained well enough on them.

Everything else is just a recipe for getting rug-pulled or being the bananaware customer responsible for the ripening.

WorldMaker 5 hours ago

I'd throw out webpack and start with unbundled ESM today. Vendor bundle and spot bundle with esbuild or rollup or something else designed for native ESM bundling and just ESM bundling, and only where you see actual performance bottlenecks (visible request waterfalls). Use any friction you see as an excuse to replace/drop old CommonJS dependencies entirely.

Webpack had its day, but today its kitchen sink and incredibly baroque configurations are as much a liability as a helpful place to start on a project. Start fresh with ESM and without a bundler and things are surprisingly nice in development experience.

nozzlegear 8 hours ago

I'd just go with Node, it supports TS natively now.

bel8 7 hours ago

NodeJS just strips TS types and prays that it runs as JS. It's not a native support by any means.

For example it doesn't support enums.

Bun and Deno do the real thing.

rslsts 3 hours ago

nozzlegear 6 hours ago

oofdere 4 hours ago

Well this is very stupid. Why not move Deno to be based on workerd or something? or vice versa? throwing it away is such a waste.

pmkary 5 hours ago

What is it with everyone buying runtimes? — P.S. Deno always felt like it is going to be abandoned, you can't build your work on this much shaky ground...

mattvr 6 hours ago

Inevitable for a project like this when you take VC money, unfortunately.

kingcauchy 4 hours ago

Does Cloudflare already use Deno under the hood then? Like the Anthropic -> Bun aquisition

chaosharmonic 7 hours ago

Well this is fucking depressing.

So what's the story with JSR sticking around then? Does it already see meaningful use among people using Workers, or do they just really want an escape hatch in case we see more long-term issues with GitHub and NPM?

And does it at least mean the stdlib will see continued development?

WorldMaker 5 hours ago

It probably does get that advantage that it has had fewer supply chain attacks than npm.

I liked its scoring system for packages and "make the Typescript docs a public part of the package page" and "focus entirely on ESM-first/ESM-only packages". None of that npm does today, so JSR is still the best way I know to find modern and up-to-date/clean packages versus npm just has a nasty swamp of things still in CommonJS for no reason or that will never get upgraded out of CommonJS because the original maintainers are long gone.

chaosharmonic 5 hours ago

I personally see it as valuable for similar reasons -- plus the ability to just import via web if a package is compatible with browsers, and it being open source and free for the community to fork and rebuild in case something like this goes south.

rough-sea 5 hours ago

JSR keeps running - the infrastructure is moving to CF

chaosharmonic 4 hours ago

That I saw, I was more curious what motivated them to keep it

fraywing 4 hours ago

This is mostly to be expected.

After Deno did layoffs we saw a consistent decline in announcements and innovation.

Sad day, but unsurprising.

shaky-carrousel 2 hours ago

Fools... I downloaded it for free...

ecares 3 hours ago

10 things I regret about Deno talk incoming

bluegatty 6 hours ago

Wow. Just about to choose Deno for something. That not only makes me rethink Deno but ... rethink a lot of things ...

dzonga 7 hours ago

my recent comment [0]: was deno was the only other tech player building a proper serverless platform to bring Cloudflare workers in an open source manner.

will they continue that work ?

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49977056

otherwise this is a proper acquisition. t

cantaloupe 7 hours ago

the CF blog post suggests that is what the Deno team will be working on: combining workerd and celld for true self hostable workers/DOs

low_tech_punk 4 hours ago

anthropic + bun vs cloudflare + deno, could it be counter move for building from agent sandbox that runs on the edge?

melonpan7 4 hours ago

Cloudflare really be buying up everything

randall 6 hours ago

This is actually awesome news believe it or not. I'm excited b/c i think there's a lot of potential in the world w/ deno's team being on solid footing w/ cloudflare.

I know the runtime is in trouble, but i'm not as worried tbh b/c the principles deno championed are going to keep going.

danw1979 6 hours ago

What ? They are literally stopping development in a year.

culi 6 hours ago

You think the open source community will be able to continue deno? Did you miss the part where they're stopping development on it?

kentonv 8 hours ago

Please be sure to read the post on Cloudflare's blog, it's not just fluff:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/

TL;DR: Ryan and co. will be merging celld with workerd to create one first-class open source self-hostable runtime for Workers and Durable Objects. In the post I explain in the post why, contrary to what you might think, this is good business for Cloudflare and we're very excited about it.

patcon 8 hours ago

I do appreciate that it's not explicitly anti-competitive, but as a biochemist who spent a lot of time thinking about living systems, I am a bit concerned about a budding ecology that has perhaps collapsed <3

But I do have a strangely high trust in the individuals involved (you, Ryan, Sunil, others), even though I am a bit perplexed by CloudFlare's incentives or economics

Which is to say: I am choosing to be optimistic :)

Caveat, am commenting before reading, mind you -- just my general reaction to mergers in a world that never cleaves :)

EDIT: though this has also probably deflated a lot of the good-faith conversations I was having with gov-adjacent Europeans about celld being a boon for the moment of heightened European sovereignty, where EU data residency isn't necessarily considered enough distance anymore.

mark_and_sweep 8 hours ago

Who decided that the Deno runtime would be abandoned? Was this Cloudflare's or Deno's decision? And why?

rough-sea 5 hours ago

It's a joint decision and I agree with it. I'm most invested in its success and have put the most work into it - and I no longer think it's where I can do the most important work. There are some good ideas in Deno and it's well engineered - but it ultimately is not solving big problems. It has been sucked into the gravity well of node compatibility, which forces it to behave exactly as Node does. Why reimplement Node? It works. Marginal performance or UX or security benefits are not enough.

I'm interested in building powerful new abstractions. celld has been working remarkably well, depending only on object storage for coordination and persistence. It is not just a slightly different API to interact with the file system or network - it's an entirely new model for server development. I wrote a bit about it here: https://x.com/rough__sea/status/2105853283617440032

We'll ship monthly releases for a year, and Deno stays MIT-licensed. If people want to carry it forward, I'd like that.

patcon 6 hours ago

Maybe helpful context: https://x.com/rough__sea/status/2105853283617440032

> once you see it, you'll realize there's no point to traditional javascript runtimes in serving applications - only for build processes (eg bundling) and scripting.

I suspect he's come to the conclusion that the runtimes are now just a commodified build system that's been dialed in already, and the layer where celld sits is where the next unvalidated opportunities are

smt88 8 hours ago

I don’t know that many people reading this particular thread care whether this is a good business decision for Cloudflare.

Most of us are here because we’re curious what it means for Deno specifically and FOSS TypeScript runtimes in general, since Bun was also acquired.

zergrush 4 hours ago

never used deno or paid much attention to it despite all the fancy marketing.

i always wondered how they were making money

Throwaway123129 7 hours ago

Can we rename title to "Deno is winding down" ? It's not joining cloudflare. the people are

mbStavola 8 hours ago

No idea why CF wouldn't just have them to continue working on Deno indefinitely...

brachkow 8 hours ago

Because Deno turned into some quirky serverless technology.

CF has its own quirky serverless technology and has no interest in funding any competition, even/especially in such sad shape as Deno is

notnullorvoid 7 hours ago

Deno is a excellent and quirky severless, server, CLI, library, and GUI technology.

CF workerd is only one out of those 5.

mbStavola 7 hours ago

I mean, sure, but this doesn't preclude CF from keeping a few people around who can work on the runtime while everyone else does... whatever CF wants them to do.

They don't even need to be the long term stewards either. Spend some time setting up a proper governance structure for Deno, hand it off, and then pay some maintainers to continue their existing effort.

At least how it's stated in the post, it really feels like an "ah good luck everyone, I'm out!" sorta deal, which seriously sucks for everyone who really believed in Deno.

notnullorvoid 8 hours ago

> We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime.

Extremely disappointing...

paaloeye 8 hours ago

It's only OpenAI which doesn't have an in-house modern runtime

dpc94 7 hours ago

paaloeye 7 hours ago

Is it JS?

simlevesque 7 hours ago

They should just go all in with Wasm.

rfgplk 7 hours ago

~/.local/bin/codex --dangerously-bypass-approvals-and-sandbox -c 'model="internal-gpt-7-turbo-blackhole"' -c 'model_reasoning_effort="max"' -c 'plan_mode_reasoning_effort="max"'

create a plan to implement a javascript runtime similar to {deno,bun,node.js,whatever} in {Rust,C++,ASM,Go,Fortran} language, use subagents @ max effort, keep building until you're done, follow instructions according to INSTRUCTIONS.md

Wait a day and you're done.

kaizencode 2 hours ago

is this a good or a bad news ?

crsv 7 hours ago

Grats on the bag.

hackersnooze1 6 hours ago

Gotta say the fate of Deno has been pretty disappointing I had high hopes for it

dpc94 7 hours ago

Disappointing news to see it shut down, but maybe the writing was on the wall after they laid off some of their folks.

I've been using deno for years and built some nontrivial services in it. When deno added support for npm packages, the early days were pretty rough. I ran into lots of issues with packages and spent a lot of time reading random github issue threads. It's been pretty smooth sailing for the last year or so though.

At least I can use ai to help migrate off of deno.

https://dbushell.com/2026/03/20/denos-decline-and-layoffs/

culi 6 hours ago

Can't believe they bought out Vite and now Deno. All our toolchains are getting bought out by military contractors

csiegert 5 hours ago

I’m disappointed that they discontinue the Deno runtime. It really is a joy to use.

I think they ran out of money and joining Cloudflare was their only remaining option.

dgellow 6 hours ago

Congrats to the team! Sad to see deno go away, it’s a really great tool

IshKebab 3 hours ago

Damn that is a shame. I liked pretty much everything about Deno. Especially great for scripting.

I'll probably move to Rust for scripting I reckon. It's not very mature but hopefully it won't be too much longer.

Fresh was also the best web framework I've used. Oh well.

ravenstine 7 hours ago

Man, this year has been nothing but bad news for me. This is disappointing, and really makes me question what is the point if even open source is now this easily enshittified or "killed by [insert big tech co here]." I've spent years now using Deno nearly exclusively for new projects, and saw it as the most sane JS server runtime. This also makes me hesitant to use anything with Ryan Dahl's name on it ever again.

zmj 7 hours ago

This is awesome. The Cloudflare platform is great; being able to run more of it locally is a definite plus.

HeadOfProbing 8 hours ago

Deno was a good idea in the Old World of software development before LLMs, and simply doesn’t make sense anymore.

oblio 8 hours ago

Why? We probably need more sandboxing, not less.

Especially with LLMs automating all sorts of code and operational aspects, we could do Tcl/Lua type whitelist sandboxes where the application can only call a limited set of functions.

hollowturtle 8 hours ago

I warn you to not try to argue with ai shilling people

oblio 5 hours ago

Pesthuf 7 hours ago

I think it makes more sense to use the kernel‘s’s sandboxing utilities (like seccomp, SELinux, namespaces, prctl and eBPF) than to rely on the process to try to isolate itself purely in userspace which will always have holes.

classified 8 hours ago

R.I.P.

zengid 3 hours ago

i guess bun won?

tonymet 2 hours ago

how about the IP? will the future open source project be DENO or will they have to come up with another permutation.

(I've trademarked ENDO , feel free to DM me for a license)

its-summertime 8 hours ago

Disappointing. Everything I want to express about this is impolite.

I guess I can say that this means Deno won't ever have a much needed Python 3 moment.

asar 8 hours ago

really wondering what role celld played in the negotiations

bennett_dev 8 hours ago

From CloudFlare's side (https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/) is seems celld was the main point of this - letting the Deno team focus on making workerd self-hosting easier.

h1fra 8 hours ago

Congrats. But also terrible news for the ecosystem; this project was a bit doomed from the start, and they acknowledge it multiple times (implicitly), but nice to have competition, I guess.

Ultimately I only trust Node.js to succeed. Bun being too deep into "shipping anything that increases usage".

hoppp 6 hours ago

Bun is claude code now. Not gonna touch it.

Deno was a nice alternative with easy configuration and I loved KV and running it on a VPS.

culi 6 hours ago

It's sad how it worked out. Bun really stole Deno's momentum. Deno's foundational trust model really feels like its what the JS community needs. There were so many genuine improvements over Node that I don't think Node can ever just adopt

hoppp 4 hours ago

sharktheone 7 hours ago

sorry, but who even is still working on Deno? All my friends who used to work on Deno got fired

j45 6 hours ago

One step towards a $25K github replacement?

collide6 4 hours ago

Holy shit, I used to work on the Workers Runtime Team and I'm surprised!

DonHopkins 6 hours ago

Announcing eDon, my rewrite of Deno in Rust!

Edit: Yes, but it's not named after me, which this fork fixes.

It's going to be the first JavaScript runtime to natively support Super Intelligence APIs.

I'm having an LLM replacing all occurrences of "ai" in every API with "si", in the hopes that OpenSI or SpaceXSI will acquihire me.

culi 6 hours ago

Deno's already mostly Rust

xyst 3 hours ago

can yall stop selling out to cloudflare? The continued consolidation of the internet/tech is wild.

NicoJuicy 7 hours ago

https://blog.cloudflare.com/deno-joins-cloudflare/

> The Deno team is joining Cloudflare to radically simplify self-hosting Workers and Durable Objects so developers can use the same primitives in more places.

Well, that's pretty big news actually.

gxcsoccer 7 hours ago

Cloudflare is playing a big game ...

evbogue 8 hours ago

Congrats Ry

Jgrubb 8 hours ago

Honestly, this motion right here is the death of open source - the rug pull. I no longer can trust any open source project won't get bought up and sunsetted. I'm glad open tofu and valkey and Linux exist to serve as a counter example but this makes me sad.

oblio 8 hours ago

It's not the death of open source. It will probably be the death of small company open source. Either 100% community/non profit or 100% big corporation and users check corporate alignment with project goals.

vachina 7 hours ago

Honestly with AI just build it yourself.

I took the plunge and ripped out all my (“open source”) Magento shopfronts and reimplemented them from the ground in…… 2 hours. And it is so much more performant to boot.

rfgplk 7 hours ago

This. Internally as of about two months ago I use _zero_ open source code in any of my projects. Anything that I was still relying on was 100% rewritten with an LLM. The only hard dependency remaining is the Linux kernel itself which I predict I'll be able to replace in a few months. The current rewrite is functional except for networking and wider driver support.

victorbjorklund 8 hours ago

RIP

ramesh31 8 hours ago

So both major (and the only meaningful) possible Node alternatives have been absorbed into proprietary monoliths in the last year. We all know how well the Joyent years went, RIP to open source innovation at this point.

ecares 3 hours ago

Node is still there

jpmonette 7 hours ago

huhyyy

cyanydeez 8 hours ago

is this Cloudflare signalling they're going to hard pivot to being an AI company?

notnullorvoid 8 hours ago

No if that were true they wouldn't be stopping development of Deno, which as it stands sits in the best position for codemode given it's granular sandboxing.

kentonv 8 hours ago

workerd has also had granular sandboxing all along... I actually coined the term "code mode" in this blog post:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/code-mode/

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cyanydeez 7 hours ago

asgr 7 hours ago

</3

wosined 8 hours ago

> Deno sells out

cmrdporcupine 7 hours ago

I read it more as:

> Deno people probably just want a paycheck after they spent years seeking glory and money on something that other people used but didn't pay them a cent for.

My take: Opensource-Infrastructure-as-startup-but-also-charity is a thing that is going to die along with ZIRP. I don't know why VCs ever sniffed around things like this in the first place. The younger generation that followed this business model with liberal "take my stuff" licenses and sneered at GPL etc are learning the hard way that making a nice cool thing and getting noticed is not going to earn you a good living. (And other people will make millions off your passionate work.)

rvz 8 hours ago

> We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development of the Deno runtime. Deno will remain open source, and we welcome others who want to continue its development.

So Deno is going to be unsupported and will no longer be maintained and will be discontinued.

It looks like "written in Rust" is not enough for a selling point and lost out to the fierce competition against Bun.

vollbrecht 8 hours ago

Isn't bun also written in rust, so can you clarify what your point is here?

rvz 8 hours ago

Deno wasn't doing well and was repeatedly outperformed in downloads and raw performance when Bun was written in Zig, and even before Bun got acquired by Anthropic.

My point is, even if Bun stayed on Zig, Deno still struggled to compete regardless of the language used.

tommica 8 hours ago

I'd guess Deno failed because of the original decision of not supporting node_modules, instead went with a different way of handling dependencies. Else the native typescript support would most likely had pushed them to bigger success past nodejs.

Though nodejs was even then quite solid in it's position, so maybe it would not have made a difference.

nullstyle 6 hours ago

What a shame. Guess me and the clankers will be maintaining a fork now

racl101 2 hours ago

uh oh

rfgplk 7 hours ago

Sorry, but even factoring in that this acquisition carries over the existing customer base and goodwill, this is still **** (censored because I aim to stay polite). Deno is factually speaking a one to two week project at this point (proven by the numerous JS runtimes already on the market). I genuinely do not see how this makes any sense whatsoever. If Cloudflare was seeking to hire the team behind Deno they could have done it at a fraction of the price paid. This, naturally, assumes they did pay anything and I can't be bothered to look up the exact $$$ amounts.

csiegert 4 hours ago

I think Deno’s VC money ran out (see the layoffs a few months ago) and Cloudflare offered a stable, well paying job, maybe with stock options.

Just this morning I checked the Deno blog (again like so often in recent weeks) to see if they are still alive. The number of mentions in Hacker News posts and comments was zero in recent weeks. The project was basically dead or abandoned already. Sucks, because I went all-in on Deno.

AtNightWeCode 5 hours ago

It was pretty naive to stand in front of that NodeJS train.

culi 6 hours ago

Welp. All tech eventually gets bought out by military contractors or grows big enough to become one.

hoppp 6 hours ago

So Cloudflare killed Deno

Its no longer gonna be supported after 1 year

In that case Deno is not joining cloudflare, it's got eaten.

I invested a lot and use deno everywhere. Can't trust anything these days.

Lets fork it into opendeno. I like to have an all-in-one swiss army knife tool.

pier25 5 hours ago

> So Cloudflare killed Deno

Uh no. The lack of users killed Deno.

hoppp 4 hours ago

Platforms like supabase or netlify use deno for serverless functions, so they should have been supporting it more.

pier25 3 hours ago

rattray 8 hours ago

As a bystander, I'm excited by this. I don't know what it'll be, but I have a sense some interesting, powerful, and secure new ways of shipping code could come from this marriage...

bilalq 5 hours ago

Time and again, staying on the mainstream node/npm stack continues to be the validated choice. I've seen this happen with io.js, bun, and deno. The situation has been similar for yarn/bun and most alternatives on the package manager side.

Of course, that's not to say the work done on these platforms was wasted. The divide around io.js was meaningful to getting things moving faster and change the governance structure. Deno and bun both showcased things Node could be doing better and some of that was folded back in.

And in spite of all those past experiences, I still find myself using pnpm over npm today. I'm sure npm will continue to evolve and eventually the critical features of pnpm will just be part of core npm. But the gap today is massive enough that pnpm over npm feels critical. The disk usage and performance wins are life-changing for daily work and CI flows.