LineageOS 24.0 (lineageos.org)

386 points by timschumi 15 hours ago

deng 13 hours ago

I was secretly hoping they'd stop supporting the Pixel 4a so I would have a reason to get a new phone, but no, still there in the list of supported devices. So I guess I'll just keep using that thing another year... Anyway: big thanks to the Lineage maintainers, keeping so many phones from landfill!

this_user 11 hours ago

If you need a reason, the modem and the baseband firmware have several unpatched vulnerabilities on that model, which is not something that an Android update can resolve.

throwaway198846 9 hours ago

Is there an easy way to tell if there are unpatched vulnerabilities in my phone's modem and baseband?

PaulCarrack 8 hours ago

andrepd an hour ago

In a practical sense, what are the consequences of that? If you're careful about not installing random shit on your phone?

grapheneos an hour ago

cookiengineer 6 hours ago

Well, it might be worth it reversing firmwares now with UART pins connected. A lot has changed in (agentic) reverse engineering.

BRB gonna try this out on my old Fairphone

umvi 7 hours ago

I too have a 4a that is still ticking thanks to Lineage!

The only problem I've discovered is that group texts sometimes don't work (I can't see others' replies or worst case I don't receive the group text at all). Not sure if anyone else has run into this, seems like it could be related to RCS and unlocked bootloader not playing nice.

bronson 7 hours ago

I have stock Android on a Pixel 10 and RCS group texts don't work here either. Some people just can't be added to the group and some people just don't receive the texts.

It's so bad.

ezst 6 hours ago

What happened there, ... After official support by Google for the 4a stopped, I remember checking LOS out, and found that it wasn't supported there either. Did I hallucinate that, or did LOS resume support afterwards? Or maybe I'm mixing up LOS and graphene

DoctorOetker 2 hours ago

I was secretly hoping I didn't misread and Linaro wiki would be up again, I really wish we could just install mainline linux on those Android phones...

t_mahmood 5 hours ago

I have a OnePlus 7, and it's chugging along on LOS, otherwise I would be without a smartphone. Heh, fortunately it's still on the supported list

shayan01 13 hours ago

I wish I could still use my Pixel 4a but the battery is pretty much dead and it's too much money to replace it

riedel 13 hours ago

Prices here are 13EUR including tools from what I can see.

The only reason I have been switching phones is banking apps: so much for Europe's right to repair..

deng 13 hours ago

shayan01 13 hours ago

toredash 12 hours ago

dopedopedope 12 hours ago

Klaster_1 13 hours ago

I replaced battery in mine for like 90 EUR and several months in dropped it and broke the screen. Would still use it instead of 9a, love how light and compact the phone was. At least now I have a spare phone to root and do stuff with that I couldn't on my main one.

mistyvales 12 hours ago

wkjagt 9 hours ago

The 4a is a great phone. So thin and light, and even a headphone jack.

pavinjoseph 10 hours ago

Does LOS provide kernel backports or is it limited to userspace?

grapheneos an hour ago

The vast majority of kernel vulnerabilities aren't backported to end-of-life devices. Special cases are made for certain vulnerabilities with a lot of media coverage. Firmware, kernel drivers, userspace drivers and HALs on end-of-life devices go without patches in general.

gruez 7 hours ago

They patched CVE-2026-43499 even for out of support kernels[1] so that's something. The bigger problem is CVEs in proprietary components (drivers, blobs, firmware).

[1] eg. https://review.lineageos.org/q/b309b56b8cca20dcf6f678777d3ac...

grapheneos an hour ago

pavinjoseph 5 hours ago

haunter 12 hours ago

>Recently, Contributor 0xCAFEBABE introduced a very different kind of generic target that can be run on various types of bare-metal hardware devices.

>While it’s still in experimental state, it has successfully booted on:

>Common x86_64 PCs

>Apple Silicon Macs

>NVIDIA DGX Spark

>Qualcomm Snapdragon X Series Laptops

That actually sounds awesome! Refurbishing old laptops with Android would be a nice choice alongside with Desktop Linux.

zx8080 11 hours ago

Why would someone want android with crappy apps comparing to linux on the old laptop?

dolorian 7 hours ago

Better sandboxing. If one of the programs you apt-get is hacked through supply chain compromise or something, it has full access to all the goodies in your user profile. There are distros that attempt to implement sandboxing but in those distros your browser can't really be jailed properly. Qubes has tighter isolation than android does, but is slower and too much of a hassle for your typical employee or relative.

Android is pretty slick overall and the user experience is simpler and more familiar to people than Windows or Linux (even if they're an iPhone user). You'd be surprised how many people don't really use PCs.

deng 9 hours ago

Would be interesting for x86-based tablets/convertibles, like for instance an old Lenovo X1. I tried using these with Linux with various different distributions, including PostmarketOS, and it was not a good experience.

ale42 11 hours ago

Running apps that require a phone and are not available for Linux, without putting them on your actual smartphone (if any)

amlib 9 hours ago

satvikpendem 11 hours ago

ggm 11 hours ago

Familiarity

App consistency

Upstream app availability and release cycle

Security.

stasomatic 8 hours ago

Games is one use case. I play the iOS version of Balatro on my Mac.

fph 10 hours ago

Much better security. Sandboxing and app isolation actually works on Android.

aucisson_masque 7 hours ago

I wouldn’t want to run Linux or windows on my phone lol.

silisili 12 hours ago

That sounds suspiciously like jart...

phh 11 hours ago

I'd say quite the opposite. jart has been very focused on specific things. While the contribution mentioned looks more butterflying amongst target.

(@0xcafebabe: ADHD high-five, I've got almost the same target list, except I'm playing with their NPUs)

silver_silver 7 hours ago

jart unfortunately seems to have had some kind of a mental breakdown involving a hard rightward religious/political pivot around June according to their latest twitter and github activity. They most recently posted a video of the police breaking down their bedroom door. Very sad to see

jelloroll42 4 hours ago

arcanemachiner 9 hours ago

It does sound rather... cosmopolitan.

chronogram 12 hours ago

Looks really promising. Once hardware codecs and camera support arrives it might be useful for old laptops. https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_mainline_generic...

khkjlhgkl 13 hours ago

I love LineageOS. I have been using Lineage and previously Cyanogen for many years. This is how Android is meant to be.

drnick1 4 hours ago

I wish Lineage did a better job at explaining which new devices are supported. Lineage clearly supports a lot of devices and device types, but most are ancient or specific models with a known hack to unlock the bootloader. A short list of recommended devices in each category (phone, TV, tablet), that can be bought new today, would go a long way.

zb3 3 hours ago

There's a search engine here https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ (see filters).

Not a lot of them unfortunately.. but with current bootloader unlocking situation, only newer motorolas seem to be missing... OnePlus 15 was added (or is in the making)

colordrops 4 hours ago

I think every device is supported by different people rather than a single org which is maybe why they don't feature some devices.

kevin_thibedeau 3 hours ago

It's time to bring back Privacy Guard. GrapheneOS is up and coming. Lineage needs to take empowering users with security controls seriously.

hobo123 11 hours ago

When I had kids I noticed that the camera quality was quite bad (e.g. on Samsung Galaxy S5 or S7), so I basically switched back to stock.

Is this still the case? My guess is that Lineage doesn't get the drivers necessary for better quality maybe.

solarkraft 9 hours ago

It can be complicated. I don’t remember the whole story, but I think on the older Xperias you’d have to take care to reinstall the proprietary drivers and there were keys that could be permanently lost and then you’d be out of some of the enhancements.

spacebeer 9 hours ago

I managed to install gcam on my LOS phone, and quality was way better

deng 8 hours ago

Yes, best chance is to get BSG's version from https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ and install manually.

yjftsjthsd-h 6 hours ago

Is that a Lineage problem or a Samsung problem?

hobo123 5 hours ago

Might be Samsung's lack of openness, but in the end it's my problem.

Scene_Cast2 9 hours ago

Not all of the builds seem live. Pixel 9 Pro has 24.0, but Pixel 9 has 23.2, for example.

t1234s 4 hours ago

Does the BMW smart key system work on Lineage OS?

drnick1 3 hours ago

I am not sure, but here is my take on cars and smart phones: don't. Cars already spy on users through their onboard cellular modem. The last thing that you want is BMW or some or carmaker accessing, in addition to that, data on your phone, or using it to exfiltrate data if you removed/disabled the car's cellular modem.

khaled4vokalz 10 hours ago

Why are you guys skipping Mi 8 SE? while still supporting older versions than that :thinking_face: Just trying to understand the reasoning for it.

yjftsjthsd-h 6 hours ago

It's an open source community project; the devices they support are what the maintainers own.

Brian_K_White 3 hours ago

Because you didn't do it.

Just trying to understand why that's a mystery :thinking_face:

Who do you think "you guys" is exactly? You guys is you. You can port it to your chosen device and be the maintainer for that device and then we can thinking face wonder why you didn't give us some other device we wish was supported.

arcanemachiner 9 hours ago

Someone has to maintain it. ;)

dankobgd 10 hours ago

I am happy with my Poco F3 with lineageos. Also converted my moms phone, and works better for sure than that chinese crap bloat

user2722 11 hours ago

Cool; See if this is the time I try using a cuttlefish target + webrtc remoting to drive all those cute privacy intruding apps.

marshymarsh 12 hours ago

the only thing keeping me from jumping from GrapheneOS is contact and storage scopes. :(

SpecialistK 17 minutes ago

I'm definitely open to trading some security/privacy features in favour of some QoL features Lineage had last time I used it - moving the clock back to the right (where persistent notifications belong) and power button for flashlight. It's a shame this has to be a "or" but as I use a burner phone when crossing borders anyway...

grapheneos an hour ago

Contact Scopes and Storage Scopes are a small subset of the privacy features provided by GrapheneOS. It's also adding major privacy improvements on a regular basis including the recently added secure paste feature and ongoing fixes for upstream Android VPN leaks. There are many other privacy features beyond those.

Privacy heavily depends on security. GrapheneOS greatly improves both privacy/security patches and privacy/security protections. The sole reason for the focus on security in GrapheneOS is because it's a privacy project. It has no other reason to work on security.

Android 17 was released in June 2026 and has been required for full standard Android privacy and security patches since then. Only a subset of the patches Google deems to be High or Critical severity are backported. Keeping up with the standard backports and major updates is important but increasingly inadequate.

user2722 11 hours ago

Don't forget proprietary security patches are only open sourced 3 months after -- GOS has them due to their partnership with Motorola.

A sufficiently motivated threat actor will have them (the exploits) too.

grapheneos 2 hours ago

GrapheneOS doesn't receive early access to security patches via Motorola. We receive those through a different partner. We were already doing security preview releases prior to Motorola giving us access to their repositories which don't contain those.

imkac 11 hours ago

It's optional.

realusername 8 hours ago

Unless you are using the most expensive flagship of a few Android brands, you are also vulnerable anyways

grapheneos an hour ago

imkac 11 hours ago

GrapheneOS actually feels just like LineageOS, except that it has faster upstream updates, better security, and greater usability...

I don't understand why it took LineageOS so long to update to AOSP 17, while GrapheneOS managed to update to 17 in just 3 days. LineageOS really should be based directly on GrapheneOS.

deng 9 hours ago

> I don't understand why it took LineageOS so long to update to AOSP 17, while GrapheneOS managed to update to 17 in just 3 days.

Here's a hint: GrapheneOS has paid developers working on it full-time, while LineageOS is done by people in their spare time. Also, GrapheneOS has a collaboration with Motorola and through that gets for instance early access to security patches, and probably other things as well. And lastly, LineageOS supports roughly 10x the number of devices. It's significantly easier if you restrict yourself to Pixels.

grapheneos 2 hours ago

microtonal 7 hours ago

qikp 2 hours ago

t_mahmood 5 hours ago

GrapheneOs is limited to some specific devices, LOS is all about supporting as much hardware as possible. Theybhave different target

timschumi 10 hours ago

> I don't understand why it took LineageOS so long to update to AOSP 17, while GrapheneOS managed to update to 17 in just 3 days.

GrapheneOS does not have circle battery.

> LineageOS really should be based directly on GrapheneOS.

What would that achieve?

user2722 11 hours ago

GOS => security, usability

LOS => most security, most usability, breadth of support

imkac 11 hours ago

HybridStatAnim8 6 hours ago

qikp an hour ago

You're losing a lot more than that:

- secure app spawning (huge because without it, many hardening improvements are useless)

- extremely secure memory allocator

- fully enabled MTE on shiba and newer

- relockable bootloader

- stronger forensics resistance

- more trustworthy developers (ever heard of LOSCoins?)

- rapid support for new Pixels

- lightning fast security updates faster than most OEMs/ODMs

- built-in TTS without GMS

- real GMS that isn't priv-app

and so much more

jurf 10 hours ago

While not great, a private space or work profile with Shelter can work in a a pinch. I use it e.g. WhatsApp, where I just need three people, but which is almost unusable if you don’t give it the permission.

It’s a bit more annoying but also isolates stuff like photos etc. by default, so you don’t have to think about it.

palata 5 hours ago

What a weird take. I see it the other way round: if you can run GrapheneOS, run GrapheneOS, period. If you can't, then there is a really cool project called LineageOS that you probably can run, and you should look into it :-).

yjftsjthsd-h 3 hours ago

It's not quite that simple. I don't use GOS because GOS and I have mutually incompatible views of user control. I prefer that I control my phone, they say I can't be trusted with that.

grapheneos 2 hours ago

agile-gift0262 an hour ago

drnick1 3 hours ago

drnick1 3 hours ago

Yes this is probably a good summary. If you have a fairly recent Pixel, there is probably no reason to pick Lineage over Graphene. But Lineage covers far more devices and device types, including ancient ones.

villgax 12 hours ago

Absolutely love this project for keeping my OnePlus 6T alive.

Such sad state of affairs for Android. They dropped the ball on making any working edge deep learning inference framework. iOS is way better at this of all things. For being an OSS platform the amount of rigidity in not letting users customize to the fullest without rooting is just tragic.

jokowueu 11 hours ago

But there arnt any official new builds for OnePlus 6t same with my OnePlus 6 due to the Strict eBPF & Kernel Requirements

Are you running unofficial builds right now ?

zozbot234 6 hours ago

Doesn't OnePlus 6/6T have good "close to mainline" kernel support already? Why wouldn't it work within LineageOS eBPF/version requirements?

gruez 3 hours ago

villgax 9 hours ago

Untill 22(Android 15) yeah but compared to the manufacturer this is insane.

What even is there in Android 17 to talk about, same old UI, no non-google AI features to run on-device without root

satvikpendem 11 hours ago

AICore? Not sure what you mean if not this.

villgax 9 hours ago

https://developers.google.com/ml-kit/custom-models

Just see out of touch with reality this section is compared to the insanse community work on Apple Silicon across whisper.cpp/mflux/llama.cpp/MLX/Exo & way more

Grimeton 3 hours ago

The alibi open source version of android that only runs on hardware in the +1000 USD range.

A bargain for a test device or a daily driver for the not so wealthy.

You want to change something? Want to be recognized for making anything better?

Port it on sub $200 devices.

That's where the masses are.

That's where you start the degoogle revolution. Where you can build a sustainable business.

timschumi 3 hours ago

You might be confusing LineageOS with GrapheneOS.

The device that I am typing this on (which runs LineageOS) cost me around $170 new.

grapheneos an hour ago

GrapheneOS has support for all non-end-of-life Pixels including the budget 'a' series which are available at low prices for new devices. We don't continue indefinitely supporting devices lacking updates to firmware, drivers, HALs and in practice also upstream kernel updates once those become unreasonably insecure. We do provide extended support past end-of-life but we stop once we believe it's doing more harm than good by encouraging people to use insecure devices and especially to buy those to use it against our advice. It's a privacy and security project so we can't reasonably have official support for devices where it's highly insecure.

haunter 3 hours ago

?

Did you even check the device list? Half of the chinese models are $200 or less. It's never been a price question