Tesla's Robotaxis Blow Through School Zones, NHTSA Petition Alleges (extremetech.com)

124 points by speckx 6 hours ago

Aarostotle 2 hours ago

It looks like there are 3 alleged incidents, not 1,000. That figure is the number of total Robotaxis.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2026/INOA-DP26010-19159.pdf

Did the author even read the petition?

lesuorac 5 hours ago

Probably just re-enacting the training data.

sandworm101 3 hours ago

Or running an experiment to create new training data.

bayindirh an hour ago

> create new training data.

I mean, if they need training data for ragdoll simulation, there's already Carmageddon series. They can connect FSD to a PC and get enough training data in no time.

Not less gruesome*, but way less dangerous for schoolchildren.

*: They should download the patch to undo the zombie conversion, but Grok can do it in a pinch.

kklisura 2 hours ago

Just couple of billions of miles of driving data more and they'll be good to go!

vessenes 4 hours ago

My FSD 14.3 car definitely does NOT respect school zones. Maybe I’m weird, but whether or not I have the car in “Hurry” mode, I expect a hard cutoff at speed limit for a school zone of myself or anything acting on my behalf. I could understand the semantics around “Mad Max” not respecting the signage, but still. Bro. Slow down in a school zone.

konschubert 4 hours ago

A car should not have a “break the law” mode.

If speed limits are impractical they have to be fixed.

criddell 4 hours ago

In some places, that's how speed limits are fixed.

In Texas, for example, they do a traffic study and set the limit to the 85th percentile speed.

https://www.txdot.gov/safety/driving-laws/speed-limits/speed...

dawnerd 4 hours ago

Karrot_Kream 3 hours ago

panick21_ 3 hours ago

vessenes 4 hours ago

That … is definitely not how things work in the US. Municipalities set speed limits based on a variety of things including but not limited to maximizing revenue, the streets city council members live on, random news reports about speeds in adjacent jurisdictions, and so on.

Were a car to refuse to exceed the speed limit, it would be dangerously slow almost everywhere in the united states, arguably reducing safety substantially.

Xylakant 4 hours ago

flerchin 2 hours ago

GuB-42 2 hours ago

ChrisMarshallNY an hour ago

praxulus 3 hours ago

konschubert 4 hours ago

Karrot_Kream 3 hours ago

0x457 2 hours ago

Reminds me show Upload, there cars had settings of how much pedestrians are respected.

badc0ffee 2 hours ago

Where I live, there are no school zones, but instead playground zones that are in effect from 7:30am to 9:00pm. Now, I might go 60 km/h in a 50 zone depending on the road, but I will always go exactly the limit in playground zones (30 km/h). The fine for speeding in those is so much worse.

I would say the majority do the same, for probably the same reason.

FireBeyond 2 hours ago

Meanwhile I have a five year old Audi that not just recognizes school zones but can also tell (depending on the alert mechanism) when they're in use - flashing lights on the School Zone sign will cause the yellow "SCHOOL" bar that appears above the speed limit to also flash.

cwillu 2 hours ago

Ugh, there are few things worse than vehicle UIs that flash to draw your attention to the alert when the alert is about something you need to be paying attention to on the road. Such UIs should be illegal.

chinathrow 4 hours ago

Bro, you are in control. You arw in charge. If you hit a kid and kill it using FSD, you will be held accountable, not Tesla.

Stop using dangerous hw features.

vessenes 4 hours ago

Well you may have read the very precise formulation I used acknowledging this very fact — this is software I’m deploying on my behalf, and it does not do what I expect in this case, so I choose not to use it in those circumstances.

chinathrow 4 hours ago

Surac 4 hours ago

would rust have fixed this?

Xylakant 4 hours ago

Certainly, as long as it’s on the car and there’s enough of it.

time0ut 2 hours ago

I have heard of small towns that generated income by running speed traps. There was a notorious one near where I am from where the speed limit changed like a dozen times seemingly randomly over the course of a couple miles. Maybe someday we will see some enterprising sheriff set up some trap for Tesla robotaxis and fund their local government by fining Elon. They can beta test it by sticking a cop at the nearest school right now!

cucumber3732842 an hour ago

Speed trap towns (and all manner of other local government predation upon the populace) work because the harm is spread thinly among the public. You pull that shit on a megacorp and their legal team will show up in court and mop the floor with you.

bryanlarsen 4 hours ago

Tesla/Musk has stated many times that FSD will follow common practice rather than follow the letter of the law. Over 90% of Americans speed in school zones, so FSD is presumably programmed to also do so.

https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/27029

HWR_14 4 hours ago

Who speeds in a school zone? It's like 1000ft of going slow so you don't hit a child

jcranmer 4 hours ago

There was a commenter on a similar article a few months ago arguing that speed limits being excessively low is just for trapping drivers and there's no reason for there to ever be speed limits below 30mph.

That's the kind of person I expect who speeds in a school zone.

ambicapter 3 hours ago

Rebelgecko 4 hours ago

Where I live (Los Angeles), probably 90% of drivers

dawnerd 4 hours ago

keybrd-intrrpt 2 hours ago

haunter 3 hours ago

>Who speeds in a school zone?

Marques Brownlee

chadrs 4 hours ago

How could they say this but still claim it will be safer than humans?

delichon 4 hours ago

Whether driving below the posted speed limit is safer than driving with a somewhat faster flow of traffic is a fuzzy, very contingent question.

notahacker 3 hours ago

lotsofpulp 4 hours ago

Not that the speeding is justified, but I would still bet on the computer continuously processing multiple video feeds reacting and stopping quicker than a human in almost all incidents.

Analemma_ 4 hours ago

stetrain 4 hours ago

As a normal human citizen, speeding in a school zone carries a risk of a significant ticket, with repeat offenses adding points until my license is suspended.

What consequences does Elon Musk face when his autonomous cars do the same?

Tepix 4 hours ago

That's your main worry? My worry is to hit a child that comes running from behind a vehicle.

telcodud 4 hours ago

stetrain 4 hours ago

konschubert 4 hours ago

Tens of thousands dead in traffic due to the “common practice” of driving unsafely. We have the opportunity here to make the roads safe but apparently mr musk doesn’t see the need.

I hope the Nordics prevail and the Europeans don’t follow his bullshit.

t1234s 3 hours ago

Most school zones (if not all of them) should be eliminated.

natebc 3 hours ago

counter point: don't speed.

stronglikedan an hour ago

counter counter point: go as fast as is safe, and don't get caught (speed limits are generally well below what is safe)

plqbfbv 33 minutes ago

NewJazz 34 minutes ago

iAMkenough 15 minutes ago

tombert 3 hours ago

I've never heard this take...why should we eliminate school zones?

stetrain 2 hours ago

I don't directly agree with the parent comment but I can see a productive argument that could be made against the current implementation of many school zones.

Mainly that if we want traffic to be slow and walking children to be safe, this can be accomplished by better planning and placement of schools and better design of our streets.

Slapping a blinking 30mph sign on a wide, straight, six-lane highway is kind of a brute force solution that relies on enforcement and compliance, and still leaves pedestrians vulnerable to a lot of car traffic. Anyone walking through or crossing the street during non-school-zone hours is also not afforded that extra level of safety.

Placing the schools on quieter streets with features designed to naturally slow traffic flow and promote safety for pedestrians and bicycles could accomplish most of the same safety goals and work passively 24/7.

As could designing neighborhoods so that more kids can walk and bike to school, reducing car traffic further during busy pickup/dropoff times.

jcomp an hour ago

I think elimination is a little broad, but I also think the majority of school zones aren't necessary, in my midwestern area of the US at least. Most schools I pass are set well back from the road, have a schoolyard that is entirely fenced, there's a bus/pickup circle off the street, and there's no sidewalk along or crosswalk across the school zoned street. There is little chance a student is going to be anywhere near the street.

t1234s 2 hours ago

many school zones do not have a flashing light and instead have a timetable printed on the sign. This requires you to know at an instant: The current time (which depending on what you drive may not be accessible), If school is actively in session (If you don't have kids or are in a different area you may not know this)

These school zones are instead designed to generate revenue and not do anything for safety. If you are going to have an enforceable school zone you should have a flashing light indicating when its active.

tombert an hour ago

dpkirchner 2 hours ago

Just think of the minutes of your life you'll never get back. 20 minutes of your entire life, poof, gone! And for what, safety?