Fire at Starlink site in Bulgaria after suspected sabotage in Poland (dpa-international.com)

237 points by ilamont 4 hours ago

nickff 3 hours ago

>"Bulgarian Interior Minister Ivan Demerdzhiev told parliament that additional security measures had been introduced at similar facilities, even though responsibility for their protection rested with their owners."

It seems absurd that the government is blaming SpaceX for not securing its property against trespass and vandalism/arson, especially when it seems likely that the violations are by foreign-state-sponsored actors. If this sort of issue is not the responsibility of local police and federal agencies, I am not sure what is. I understand that railways in some countries have their own police, but it is my understanding that SpaceX has not been granted such powers in any country.

bobbyraduloff 2 hours ago

Demerdzhiev, Radev and their entire cabinet in general just avoid blaming Russia for some “unknown” reason as a blanket policy. Yesterday, Russia bombed two Ukrainian ships super close to Bulgaria’s waters in the Black Sea, 11 civilians died, and the PM still says we can’t make any conclusions about the perpetrators when questioned in parliament today.

I’m trying to say that the logical conclusion is to shift the responsibility explicitly to SpaceX, since otherwise you have to admit the attacks are state sponsored and you have to name the perpetrator.

keyKeeper an hour ago

They just move the burden of proof and responsibility as needed. 4 ships carrying Ukraine cargo sunk by drones in Bulgarian waters, one of the ships Ukraine owned and the crew full of Ukrainians? No evidence whatsoever on who could have done it so we don’t blame anyone. Yes yes logic says it must be Russia but we need concrete evidence, so unfortunate.

Ukraine responds to Russian attacks? Why Ukraine doesn’t want peace! Why Ukraine doesn’t just capitulate? The coalition of war(he means countries who support Ukraine militarily) is causing so much suffering.

The pro-Russian folks are insufferable.

arccy 3 hours ago

most of what police do is after the fact. you're responsible for securing your own property, security guards are a thing everywhere.

nickff 3 hours ago

>"you're responsible for securing your own property, security guards are a thing everywhere."

Maybe Bulgaria differs from most countries, but security guards seem to be mostly theatre. Private actors are generally very limited in what they can do to secure property, and they're usually required to basically call the police and hope the police show up in time to do something, which is often unlikely in either the countryside or industrial areas.

fasterik 3 hours ago

mrtksn 34 minutes ago

EA-3167 2 hours ago

PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago

>most of what police do is after the fact.

This. Police are just the clean-up crew who come 20 minutes after, and fill in the paperwork proving that something bad did indeed happen to you, that you can then use for your lawsuit or insurance claim, nothing more.

Unless you're a politician or the billionaire owner of an island, they're not gonna do much more to actually prevent or solve your problem.

buckle8017 3 hours ago

security guards vs FSB.

uh huh

yencabulator an hour ago

FireBeyond 2 hours ago

rickdeckard an hour ago

I don't know why it should be the governments job to secure private properties of corporations against vandalism/arson. It sounds much more absurd to me.

Starlink providing services to a customer (which made them a target in this case) is not a matter the local government of that site needs to protect them against.

--> Is it a local governments' job to secure the local properties of e.g. Lockheed, or the job of Lockheed as a for-profit supplier to the military?

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Edit, as I expected this to be much more widely known: If you are operating in the business of critical infrastructure (for which Starlink qualifies, explicitly "digital infrastructure"), you have obligations to protect your facilities against physical and cyber attacks and have resilience and business continuity processes in place.

If you decide to operate in a business segment for critical infrastructure, it is not the governments job to secure your business, YOU have to comply to the requirements of operating in this field, and the government can audit and shut down your business if you're not in compliance.

In the EU, where this incident took place, this is well-defined under the CER-directive, and further extended for IT under NIS2 and CRE.

In the US, it's covered by CISA and CIRCIA (Cyber Incident Reporting for Critical Infrastructure Act)

andylynch 25 minutes ago

Depends on the infra, and the level of anxiety generally and specifically.

Petty vandalism no, but I’ve worked at a few and know more completely non-military business premises that absolutely have “military barricade” or the like quietly in their contingency plans.

Funny thing is, a bit of arson is kind of normal on their estates. But usually it’s just stolen cars.

rickdeckard 13 minutes ago

carsoon an hour ago

Because internet is a major resource for the population. Its like water or electricity.

Most of those could be easily targeted and taken out by a large organized group but people are generally good and dont do that. If a country's military attacked though you wouldn't blame the water company for someone cutting the locks and destroying the water pumps. Or blowing up an electric facility.

Its not like this is just some random companies headquarters where they have some vehicles and someone broke the gates to spray paint the trucks.

This is an attack on the people of the country as a whole. The attackers are not vandalizing the internet because they dislike starlink they are attacking its people by destroying infrastructure. there is a major difference between the two.

rickdeckard 20 minutes ago

baxtr an hour ago

How is a tax-paying corporation different from a tax-paying person?

It's in the core interest of any government to protect its citizens, including corporate ones.

rickdeckard 40 minutes ago

AnimalMuppet an hour ago

It's the government's job to protect both individuals and corporations against foreign attack. It's even the government's job to protect against crime.

rickdeckard an hour ago

Barrin92 an hour ago

>I don't know why it should be the governments job to secure private properties of corporations against vandalism/arson.

because this isn't 'vandalism', this is an act of war by a foreign adversary that is now happening on European and NATO soil on a daily basis, and instead of responding accordingly we talk about this as if a drunk kid laid a fire somewhere

rickdeckard 31 minutes ago

pwdisswordfishq an hour ago

> federal agencies

It's cute when Americans assume every country's constitution is the same as their own.

Anonyneko 2 hours ago

Not that different, perhaps, from Russia making businesses responsible for defending their sites against drones. Even threatening to nationalize the businesses that fail to establish adequate defenses. How a business can get ahold of military-grade anti-air defense systems is left mostly unanswered.

walrus01 3 hours ago

Starlink sites are mostly at dwdm regen hut sites, which as a general industry baseline have a remarkably low level of security.

PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago

>If this sort of issue is not the responsibility of local police and federal agencies, I am not sure what is.

It's the Balkans mate. You pay next to no taxes, and so you also get next to no services back from the government.

The Police, education, healthcare, courts, etc. that exist, is just a skeleton crew in minimum load bearing role, not to actually solve your problem when you need it. For that you gotta pay private and costs extra.

phoronixrly 3 hours ago

As a Balkanian I vouch for this. Even what little you pay as taxes gets embezzled and you are always on your own.

ExoticPearTree 2 hours ago

miroljub 2 hours ago

Why would Balkan tax payers pay to secure foreign corporation? Especially if that corporation is involved in a war they don't care which makes it a legitimate military target.

PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago

warkdarrior 2 hours ago

petesergeant 2 hours ago

ProAm 2 hours ago

> It seems absurd that the government is blaming SpaceX for not securing its property against trespass and vandalism/arson, especially when it seems likely that the violations are by foreign-state-sponsored actors.

SpaceX is actively meddling in foreign-state wars picking whichever side they choose to support on which day. They made their bed.

nomel an hour ago

> SpaceX is actively meddling in foreign-state wars

Starlink is banned, by the US government, from operating in a military context, and cannot be used for military purposes. Do you have a reference/examples for them meddling/supporting wars, or a hint at what you're referring to for someone out of the loop? This is not allowed by very many laws and policies that have been in place since the company started operating.

I suspect you're making a logical leap that them stopping means they're now supporting some opposition?

drysine 30 minutes ago

bvcp an hour ago

This makes sense if you completely ignore the existence of american law.

mcintyre1994 an hour ago

ProAm 20 minutes ago

numpad0 3 hours ago

> If this sort of issue is not the responsibility of local police and federal agencies,

... it means those properties are own sovereign nations, or at least autonomous zones! woo hoo, time to declare independence of People's Republic of Mars.

LightBug1 an hour ago

When you start acting militarily, secure your own shit militarily.

NuclearPM an hour ago

Most railways aren’t owned by fascist financiers. Probably.

NuclearPM 33 minutes ago

“ Ukraine Loses Starlink Access as Musk Says Zelenskiy Went “Too Far” | SpaceX suddenly throttled access to Starlink with no warning, Ukraine says.”

Fucking disgusting.

gostsamo 3 hours ago

Local here. The new prime minister is a spineless russian rag and everyone around him is from the former communist party. You won't find in them anything approaching self-respect or actual will desire to defend against any russian provocation.

jacquesm 2 hours ago

Well, then he's on Elon's side I guess...

iAMkenough 2 hours ago

It's private property, is it not? I don't see why taxpayers should be on the hook for everything, unless they get a return on their investment.

Nationalize the infrastructure if it's that important to the public.

luke5441 2 hours ago

If you have to defend it yourself why pay taxes? Why not use the money to hire your private army instead?

cgio 2 hours ago

iAMkenough an hour ago

ktm5j 2 hours ago

It's probably just politics, he needs someone to point the finger at.

Geof25 3 hours ago

It is not absurd at all. You can't arrest somebody for a sabotage without letting him to execute the deed. Because if he won't execute there's nothing to arrest him for...

So to prevent a sabotage is to have several layers of security (i.e multiple fences) so you will force the saboteur to commit minor crimes like trespassing first and also slow the saboteur significantly so you can arrest him for these minor crimes.

aucisson_masque 2 hours ago

> It is not absurd at all. You can't arrest somebody for a sabotage without letting him to execute the deed. Because if he won't execute there's nothing to arrest him for...

You can very well arrest someone for the intention of sabotaging.

Pedro_Ribeiro 2 hours ago

ceejayoz 2 hours ago

> You can't arrest somebody for a sabotage without letting him to execute the deed.

Sure you can. We convict people of conspiracy all the time.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/overt_act

Geof25 2 hours ago

chinathrow 2 hours ago

Drones do not care about fences.

rickdeckard an hour ago

> "It seems absurd that the government is blaming SpaceX for not securing its property against trespass and vandalism/arson, especially when it seems likely that the violations are by foreign-state-sponsored actors"

I think neither private companies nor tax-payers would appreciate if the POLICE would run security for a for-profit corporation, as it means that all corporate access-permissions would de-facto be managed by the government administration (which would be financed by the taxes of citizens and other corporations...)

Also: Would be even more ironic for Starlink to now demand big-BIG-government after their CEO keeps pushing for small-government for years now. But it fits the typical "Privatize profits, socialize costs" view...

MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago

I am getting a bit concerned that Russia is actually planning an attack on Eastern Europe.

It’s just like red storm rising, their refineries have been blown up and their diesel will only last 6 months. They need to move now or they’ll have to accept peace and economic prosperity.

jwr an hour ago

No, there won't be an open attack, at least not yet. There will be more of those "hybrid" incursions. Russians will be gradually increasing the intensity of those operations, so that it becomes the new normal. There will never be a clear "well now they are attacking" boundary to point to.

Meanwhile, the EU is still buying fossil fuels from Russia, thus paying for all this. It boggles the mind.

TrackerFF 28 minutes ago

Russia needs a huge mobilization.

Mobilization turned out to be extremely unpopular, so they can't just do that without some exceptional cause.

That cause would be NATO attacking Russia. So they're engaging heavily in hybrid warfare, doing stuff like that in Europe. They're tying to provoke some small retaliation from NATO countries.

If that happens, they'll declare that the barbarians are at the gate, and they need a huge mobilization of troops.

But they have no interest in actually fighting against NATO. It would end disastrously for Russia, any way you slice it. Kaliningrad would be completely cut off and surrounded, their Arctic and Baltic sea routes would be hostile.

As a bonus, a potential real war with Russia would increase far-right isolationist popularity in Europe.

Personally I think this is all a play to mobilize a ton of soldiers, send them to Ukraine, and expand their occupied areas before a peace deal comes to the table.

akmarinov 2 hours ago

Interestingly enough 4 ships in the past week were sunk in Bulgaria’s territorial waters by drones.

The Bulgarian PM has refused to name Russia responsible.

It does seem like they’re “testing the waters”, so to speak.

fierycatnet 20 minutes ago

They're not planning an attack on Eastern Europe. They are desperate to wrap up their Ukraine fiasco.

ttul 2 hours ago

At least one betting market has the odds at around 25% [1] of a direct military conflict with a NATO country by year's end. It will be interesting to see how things change after November's midterm elections. For what it's worth, Metaculus forecasters show a spike of likelihood at the end of September, 2027, with about 20% of forecasters saying that's when a military clash will happen. I'm not sure what's driving that spike in the forecast.

[1] https://polymarket.com/event/nato-x-russia-military-clash-in... [2] https://www.metaculus.com/questions/41238/when-will-russia-a...

DrProtic an hour ago

> their refineries have been blown up and their diesel will only last 6 months.

They literally just struck a deal with the US to export diesel, and Trump has been pressuring Ukraine (most recently by disabling Starlink) into not attacking refineries in Russia. Like, situation is the opposite of what you're saying.

EDIT: To be clearer in case you need it.

As they agreed to export means they definitely have for more than 6 months (and I believe 6 months claim is naive at best.).

And as US is pressuring Ukraine to not attack refineries means they'll be safe.

panzagl 39 minutes ago

Far be it from me to suggest that Trump has announced a deal that would be physically impossible to execute just to try to swing the upcoming midterm elections by a couple points, but my guess is the next we hear of the deal is when he's telling us it was ruined by Democrats somehow.

kgeist 2 hours ago

Attacking a NATO country would mean total war for Russia. Currently there are no signs that Russia is ready for total war, or willing to have one. Russia has been fighting a war of attrition in Ukraine for 4 years, without a moving frontline, exactly because it wants to win by slow attrition.

Total war (all money going to the war, millions of mobilized workers, etc.) would result in an economic collapse, which Russia is trying to avoid. Aside from "inconveniences" like Yandex AI not working after a data center hit, Russia's everyday life is largely unaffected by the war (at least compared to Ukraine's) - exactly because it is avoiding total war.

If Russia were desperate enough to finally go all in and have full mobilization (millions of conscripts, all industry working around the clock building nothing but drones and missiles, etc.), why would it start by attacking random EU countries instead of Ukraine itself? So I think it's very unlikely that anything is going to happen to Europe other than sabotage here and there. Remember that Putin is a KGB agent, and they're more about targeted tactical operations than strategic chess play.

The whole "special military operation" thing was itself just a way to quickly coerce Zelensky into signing an agreement by threatening force, without total war, but it fell apart, so they had to go this war-of-attrition route

9dev an hour ago

> Attacking a NATO country would mean total war for Russia.

Is that so? I wouldn't trust the USA to commit to its NATO responsibilities anymore. The rest of NATO, torn as it is, could just as well find all kinds of reasons why this particular attack isn't a "real" attack, just to avoid the confrontation.

I wouldn't bet on that scenario happening, but as Russia, I wouldn't dismiss it outright either.

fierycatnet 19 minutes ago

Finally a lucid comment.

azan_ an hour ago

> why would it start by attacking random EU countries instead of Ukraine itself?

Because if russian troops appear in EU countries, EU might be more willing to accept Ukraine losing larger territories in peace deals. That's why EU has to - once attacked - hit russia so strongly, that they will retreat on our conditions.

yakshaving_jgt 2 hours ago

> why would it start by attacking random EU countries instead of Ukraine itself?

Because it would force NATO to divert resources away from Ukraine.

kgeist an hour ago

athrowaway3z an hour ago

csirob 26 minutes ago

While the article deals with the topic that is not funny at all, I am amused by people having somewhat ironic names:

> Plamen Tonchev, head of Bulgaria's State Agency for National Security (DANS) said he believed the fire at the Starlink facility was an act of sabotage.

"Plamen" means "Flame", when translated from most Slavic languages (incl. bulgarian) to English.

senderista 2 hours ago

There is definitely much more sympathy for Russia in Bulgaria than in Poland (I've noticed this esp. with older folks: "our Russian brothers").

postingawayonhn 2 hours ago

Europe looks incredibly weak at present and the US incredibly corrupt.

jmasukr an hour ago

F*ing russians

toomuchtodo 3 hours ago

I find it somewhat interesting Russia is likely sabotaging these stations while Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine in fighting Russia. Very Spy vs Spy. Pick a lane!

tcdent 3 hours ago

You're talking about Starshield, which is operated by the US Government via services contracted, not personally regulated by Musk himself.

Starlink, the commercial product, was always off limits for military operations (the type that require connectivity at 100+ MPH).

So, no, this is not one person dictating the usage.

Starlink’s Acceptable Use Policy explicitly prohibits:

- Remotely controlling or piloting any aerial drone or unmanned vehicle (unless otherwise contractually permitted by SpaceX).

- Engaging in any military activity other than approved morale/welfare/recreation programs for service members.

culi 3 hours ago

Starshield uses all of Starlink's satellites and a few special ones specific to Starshield. There's been plenty of cases in Ukraine of suicide drones being configured to starlink accounts instead of military ones. In fact, that's exactly how Russia took advantage of starlink for the first 2 years.

While there might be a legal distinction between the two systems, technically speaking, it's mostly a matter of configuration.

yencabulator an hour ago

> Starlink, the commercial product, was always off limits for military operations (the type that require connectivity at 100+ MPH).

Lots of Ukrainian use of satellite communications is where people are hiding in a makeshift bunker. Those don't usually travel at 100+ MPH.

roosterIllusi0n 3 hours ago

It's only one set of satellites. Stop pretending that its different.

flutas 2 hours ago

toomuchtodo 3 hours ago

Can you say with assurance, hopefully with evidence, which entity has degraded service as described?

> Starlink’s Acceptable Use Policy explicitly prohibits

Starlink's AUP is whatever Musk decides it is when he decides. He is petty, and there are robust examples of his pettiness as it relates to X and Starlink (I'm unaware if he's weaponized Tesla vehicle access in this regard, but welcome citations, if they exist).

"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/04/29/musk-more-petty...

(if you do not rely on Musk controlled systems, he cannot weaponize them against you; choose your risk exposure accordingly)

scottyah 3 hours ago

jkestner 3 hours ago

You're telling me appeasement doesn't work?

numpad0 3 hours ago

Or that one wasn't Musk but Starlink sat2sat turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors, and the satellites simply could not provide services without the ground station in the immediate vicinity of terminals.

heaney-555 3 hours ago

>Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine

Incorrect. The US government limited Starshield, the military version of Starlink which it controls. SpaceX has no say.

paimapi 3 hours ago

It must be nice to think there is such a clear and high wall between private corporate actors and the US government in 2026. I want to live in that delusion, too. Unfortunately, I retain a minimum amount of skepticism.

From the Starshield Wiki page:

>While SpaceX president and COO Gwynne Shotwell has indicated that there is little information she is allowed to disclose about Starshield, she has noted "very good collaboration" between the intelligence community and SpaceX on the program.

>The retired four-star general Terrence O'Shaughnessy, who previously ran U.S. Northern Command, is the vice president for SpaceX's Special Programs Group who is thought to be involved with Starshield.[1] The Wall Street Journal reported that Starshield's online job postings required people with top-secret clearances, as well as experience working with the Defense Department and intelligence community — such as representing Starshield to Pentagon combatant commands

>Col. Eric Felt, director of space architecture at the office of the assistant secretary of the Air Force for space acquisition and integration, said that there are plans to acquire at least 100 Starshield-branded satellites for this purpose by 2029. He said that while the military is an active user of SpaceX's commercial Starlink service, they also want to take advantage of the company's dedicated Starshield product line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield

chews 3 hours ago

He get's his bags from the DoD either way... in-fact the chaos undoubtedly is actually more profitable, make hay while the sun is up... we live in a busted reality of broligarchs that are actually DoD welfare queens. They are literally on both sides of the trade so profit is inevitable. When america elect's a clown, we get a whole 3 ring circus.

bflesch 3 hours ago

It might just be feel-good propaganda to reduce the PR fallout for starlink/musk.

"See guys please don't cancel your Starlink orders russia also thinks we are the enemy!"

tencentshill 3 hours ago

Scarily enough, money isn't his main motivation. He willingly destroyed tesla sales for politics.

jonas21 2 hours ago

bflesch 3 hours ago

scottyah 3 hours ago

PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago

> while Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine in fighting Russia

Can you share a link? AFAIK Musk blocked Starlink for Russians, not Ukrainians.

ShinyCyril 3 hours ago

scottyah 3 hours ago

salviati 3 hours ago

Some are disabled by Musk, some are disabled by sabotage. No contraddiction.

culi 3 hours ago

I didn't realize that in addition to the 11,127 satellites in our orbit it also takes over 1,500 ground antenna in the US alone to run this network? It seems likely that there is much more ground infrastructure than space infrastructure to make Starlink work

MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago

How else do you expect the satellites to connect to AWS or Google? It obviously has to come down at some point otherwise your packets wouldn’t be able to go anywhere…

api 3 hours ago

The satellites are glorified repeaters.

There was some talk about having the satellites form a laser mesh but I don't think they've gone live with anything like that, so it almost always just comes back down at the nearest site.

Polizeiposaune 3 hours ago

Most of the satellites now have three 200GBps inter-satellite links. The starlink V3 that will be launched on the big rocket reportedly have six ISLs.

Aachen 2 hours ago

ranger_danger 2 hours ago

devmor 2 hours ago

signatoremo 2 hours ago

Laser link has been operational since 2021:

https://www.trackstarlink.com/guides/starlink-laser-links-ex...

NetMageSCW 2 hours ago

They’ve had it since at least 2022, here is a more recent document explaining access in the middle of the ocean for Royal Caribbean cruise ships:

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/guides/wifi-cruise-packages

antiford2049 2 hours ago

Well, if they are just glorified repeaters, perhaps european union can hurry the fuck up and build their own network, because at the pace of events we are seeing in about 1 year from now, the USA and Russia will tell us how Ukraine and EU are responsible for starting the war and they need to learn a lesson.

Oh wait, we are already here as if few days ago. Never mind.

detritus 2 hours ago

Wait. They're not doing the orbital mesh?!

I thought that was fundamental to the whole network?

Not another Elon bullshit?

NetMageSCW 2 hours ago

pelagicAustral 3 hours ago

Right after Starlink partially cut the pipe to Ukraine... Right at the time an Ukranian is facing a court of justice for the Nord Stream pipeline...

Geof25 3 hours ago

So you think that Ukraine is able to pull out such operation on foreign soil in matter of hours?

pelagicAustral 2 hours ago

Assuming they have a semi-competent military complex, then they should be able to put together plans ahead of time, measures and counter-measures, just like any other institution. What's so shocking about that idea?

Seems pretty feasible at this point that they might be trying to drag NATO into all-out war.

kspacewalk2 2 hours ago

DrProtic an hour ago

Of course they are.