Alzheimer's breakthrough: 2 hrs of sleep restored without clearing brain plaques (sciencedaily.com)
93 points by amichail 6 hours ago
Ozzie_osman 2 hours ago
So does this help alleviate the dementia symptoms? Or do those remain but at least the patients get better sleep?
outworlder 2 hours ago
You need to ask the rats.
cft an hour ago
It is actually possible to test if a rat has dementia, eg:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2895266/
https://currentprotocols.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002...
unification_fan 5 hours ago
From what I know about terminal lucidity in alzheimer's patients it seems to me that these plaques act like electrical resistors that increase the impedance for neurotransmission. But chemically of course. So if you push more current through the system, such as when you're dying, you can suddenly access memories that were locked off. Is my understanding correct?
epihelix 3 hours ago
Plaques probably/likely affect local neurotransmission in close proximity of a plaque. But plaque load does not correlate well with dementia severity, and removing plaques entirely (which we can now do very well) does not prevent further cognitive decline (and appears to have very little effect at all).
Plaques, however, do lead to an aggravated response by the immune-equivalent cells in the brain (microglia). There has been a lot of interest in how much this microglia response to plaques triggers some of the symptoms of AD, and this what the research summarised in TFA is interested in also. Despite what TFA implies (it's an overcooked Uni press release) there's been heaps of interest in microglia over the last few years in the AD space.
Ultimately, we still don't know what causes the majority of AD symptoms, and this is a very controversial space. Historically, a number of AD researchers (including one very prominent researcher) staked their reputation on plaques being fully or mostly causative, and refuse to let go of this idea despite the growing body of contrary evidence -- which has created a bit of cognitive hysteresis in the field (and led to vast amounts of arguably wasted pharma R&D). It was a good idea at the time as it was the obvious, most parsimonious explanation; but biological reality has a habit of not conforming with Occam's razor, sadly.
(As for terminal lucidity -- this is not my field; IIUC it's also debated, but your idea is not entirely at odds with one theory. There are many theories, and it's not entirely accepted that this even reliably occurs at all.)
yrjrjjrjjtjjr 4 hours ago
Even prior to this study I've seen people post memes about terminal lucidity. In subsequent discussion people have said it's related to the immune system finally giving up, reducing inflammation, leading to increased perceived health. And then you die from what the immune system was keeping at bay.
So this study ties in neatly with that.
ArvidSu 2 hours ago
> So if you push more current through the system, such as when you're dying [...]
Is this actually the case or are you conjecturing?
omgwtfbyobbq 3 hours ago
Generally yes, but I think it's a lot more nuanced and varied than that.
My guess is that there are a large set of genetic, environmental, and idiopathic contributors that converge to a loosely similar phenotype, but couldn't be treated effectively in the same way because they have different sets of causes.
I think we'll eventually get to a point where we can treat many kinds of dementia in the same way we treat infections/etc... But it'll take a while.
lithos 4 hours ago
One of the fraud filled paths in science.
More like rust, where once it starts it allows the process to speed up. In this case collecting poisons.
rsyring 6 hours ago
...in mice.
Not knocking the research, cure it already! I just think it should be in the title to avoid false hope.
jeroenhd 41 minutes ago
This is the fifth breakthrough I've seen reported here this year, we'll have an Alzheimer's cure before Christmas!
I despise the current research system for making anyone on the road to progress fight for research budget by publishing wild headlines to get attention.
For people outside of academic circles, this just gives false hope that a cure for their loved ones is right around the corner.
s1artibartfast 4 hours ago
No, you cure it already!
gdulli 4 hours ago
We're adults like you are and can manage both our emotions and the responsibility of understanding that headlines aren't the totality of information.
ShinyLeftPad 4 hours ago
When it is taking about a breakthrough in treatment of a human disease, it's kind of important if it's not actually in humans
Also "headlines aren't the totality of information" doesn't mean there's no clickbait headlines...
bawolff 4 hours ago
Brian_K_White 4 hours ago
jcranmer 2 hours ago
The "... in mice" qualifier is somewhat overdone, but for Alzheimer's in particular, it's actually extremely important: mice do not experience Alzheimer's. We test Alzheimer's drugs in mice by artificially inducing something that produces similar dementia symptoms, and then seeing how the drugs influence that progression. If that model is different from how Alzheimer's works--and there's pretty decent suggestions from the history of failed Alzheimer's drugs in humans that our models of Alzheimer's are in fact wrong--then anything that fixes that model has suspect utility.