The Curse of Soldered RAM (blog.hardill.me.uk)

37 points by gsky 2 days ago

LeoPanthera 23 minutes ago

I'm stunned that "mapping out" blocks of bad RAM is a thing you can do. It reminds me of the old days when hard disks had to be "low-level formatted" first (ask your parents, kids) and it would ask you for a list of bad sectors to map out. Sometimes hard disks would even come with a list of known bad ones printed on the top.

Neil44 31 minutes ago

We used to buy Dells with minimum RAM and add quality third party RAM for way less than Dell wanted for it. They also use ram quantity to leverage other specs we're not bothered about. Of course they are moving to soldered.

swiftcoder 10 minutes ago

It it possible to desolder and replace the offending RAM if one were sufficiently motivated? I've seen folks doing that to soldered SSDs in MacBooks

potamic 2 days ago

LPCAMM2 sockets were supposed to provide all the benefits of soldering while still being a socket. Anyone know the state of adoption?

mrheosuper 4 minutes ago

Lenovo uses it on their latest thinkpad t14.

noman-land 14 hours ago

The new Framework 13 Pro laptop ships with LPCAMM2.

https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-pro-deep-dive-lp...

nicman23 an hour ago

yeah but there is very little interest in that model compared to ai max line

rasz 2 days ago

the fact no component supplier, not even alibaba sells LPCAMM2 sockets tells you everything you need to know. The only prices I can find are in $30 range per socket

ACCount39 4 minutes ago

Honestly, reasonable.

I've been eyeing LPCAMM2 interposers for non-RAM uses - as an off the shelf connector for stacked PCB designs. The conclusion was that it wasn't produced or used at sufficient scale for it to work.

RetroTechie a day ago

Bash me all you want, but after CPU, GPU, memory controller & a host of other things integrated in modern System-on-Chips (SoC), I've long held the belief that next logical step would be to integrate RAM.

Optimal: piecemeal. As in: X sockets on a board, each socket takes a chip that adds CPU core(s), GPU cores, and some amount of main RAM. More chips, more powerful computer.

Keyword: socket. Read: replaceable. Bad chip out, good chip in. Slow chip out, faster chip in. Soldered onto board = reliable, but a defect could junk the whole machine.

musicale a day ago

> Bash me all you want, but after CPU, GPU, memory controller & a host of other things integrated in modern System-on-Chips (SoC), I've long held the belief that next logical step would be to integrate RAM

Haven't Apple (A-series, M-series) and others been copackaging memory for a while? (SiP or MCM?)

jacquesm 39 minutes ago

Those aren't socketed though, are they?

musicale a day ago

> I then had to manually transcribe this, which [w]as “fun”.

Can't you select and copy the text in the photo (on most smartphones and PCs at least)?

bobowzki 18 minutes ago

Well that was good to learn!

ethin 26 minutes ago

Am I the only one who wonders if there is a way to get the kind of performance we want out of non-soldered components/SOC designs? Like from what I've heard, it's a "physics says no" problem, but I'm not sure if that's actually true (not being an expert in this technology) or if it's just the excuse many companies use to justify soldering everything to make serviceability impossible. And it would be really neat if this is actually being looked into by labs right now (possibly with AI's help), since areas like that are where I think (non) LLM AIs might be very useful. Same thing for medicine, materials, etc.

mrheosuper 2 minutes ago

If the CPU can be socketed, there is no reason RAM can't be.

bigstrat2003 2 minutes ago

While it's true that you can get better performance out of soldered memory than a socket, that's also not why vendors use it. Desktop computers, with their very much not soldered memory, get great performance after all. The laptop vendors solder the memory because it lets them make more money off selling units with more memory soldered in. That's all.

pseudohadamard a day ago

Since the OP mentions Lenovo, look at their other product lines for ones that still have socketed RAM. I'm currently running an E16 with 40GB RAM, 8GB soldered, 32GB socketed. And aside from that it leaves my previous X1 for dead in terms of performance. Lenovo's replacing the carbon fiber case, the whole reason the X1 line is called "Carbon", with crappy black plastic was the last straw.

nicman23 an hour ago

i had to move a very very small resistor in the correct place to make a laptop disregard the soldered ram and only use the sodimm

lngnmn2 30 minutes ago

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