France asked ISPs to prepare temporary DNS blocks for major social platforms (blast-info.fr)
61 points by noplay an hour ago
nomilk 3 minutes ago
Why not just allow genuinely peaceful protests and take stern police/legal action against all other forms of protest? I don't understand the logic behind cutting access to communications platforms. Seems like an indirect or roundabout way of solving the problem.
elashri 22 minutes ago
As someone who lived the first Internet block due to protests with similar demands. This feels refreshing and prove that regimes response to wide spread protests they don’t like is not that different.
But please don’t call it European spring.
mosura 24 minutes ago
“liberticide”
Parfait.
pjc50 41 minutes ago
During the 2011 London riots, there were proposals to ban Blackberry.
JdeBP 27 minutes ago
That phrase ending 'plus c'est la même chose' seems apposite here. (-:
Mike Butcher later retracted xyr call to shut off Blackberry Messenger. The other person who called for it was David Lammy, MP.
* https://techcrunch.com/2011/08/11/absolute-explosion-how-bla...
ButlerianJihad 26 minutes ago
Isn’t that sort of ironic, because BlackBerry was used disproportionately by government and corporate clients? Wouldn’t a ban basically cut off the very people who should have been favoured?
JdeBP 14 minutes ago
It was one journalist and the local MP for Tottenham posting, on social media, calls to disable Blackberry Messenger, not some formal government white, or even green, paper. It certainly was not a sitting government official (Sébastien Lecornu) calling several ISPs together and asking them to get ready to do this and to keep the plans secret.
The journalist was Mike Butcher. Both xe and at least one other journalist, Paul Lewis of The Graduian, had been watching the BBM traffic. Butcher pointed out that the authorities had seemingly missed people coördinating riot activity there, posted on Twitter about it, and later retracted xyr post.
* https://www.theguardian.com/uk/blog/2011/aug/08/london-riots...
The MP for Tottenham was David Lammy.
mosura 23 minutes ago
At the time all the kids were on BBM and the businesses had moved to iOS.
Zenul_Abidin 30 minutes ago
Hahahaha
Good luck France.
You'd think a 1st world country would know about VPNs but not this one
jeroenhd 13 minutes ago
And that's how VPNs are banned through DPI.
And yes, you can in theory install the same software used to punch through the Chinese firewall, but if it doesn't appear in the app store or google play, your new VPN is as good as dead.
There are no technical solutions to political and social problems.
grodriguez100 26 minutes ago
Not implying I agree with the decision, but I don’t think VPNs make this less effective. VPNs may be used by what, 0.1% of all users?
kaonwarb 14 minutes ago
~20% in France, by one estimate (https://browsec.com/en/blog/vpn-usage-statistics)
archargelod 21 minutes ago
Blocking popular websites is certainly going to boost this number, dramatically.
embedding-shape 20 minutes ago
> VPNs may be used by what, 0.1% of all users?
Probably, since not many of us in Europe don't have lots of use cases for them, yet.
But things like our (Spain's) "internet shall not be 100% available during La Liga football matches" or our neighbors thinking of blocking DNS to stop political activism, surely will continue to make this number raise, albeit slowly.
latexr 21 minutes ago
I know there’s a subsection of the internet who for some reason believe VPNs are the solution to everything and better than sliced bread, but VPNs are absolutely unnecessary (and frankly overkill) for these types of blocks. All you have to do is change the DNS service on your machine, which is trivial even for non-technical users and unlike a VPN doesn’t disrupt anything about your computer usage.
aziaziazi 3 minutes ago
Can I change the DNS on my iPhone? I know how to do that with a computer but not iPhones. Androids are probably easier to set up.
throw9393793 24 minutes ago
"Students" from 3th world do not know about VPNs.
shevy-java 36 minutes ago
Censorship.
I am all for eliminating the antisocial media and the billionaires behind them as well, but I fail to see how censorship fixes anything.
wtch98 31 minutes ago
When people are rioting for things that didn't happen, because they think they did, because of messages being sent to them by an enemy, then you stop that enemy.
maxwellito 32 minutes ago
Can we have this worldwide and forever?
goodcake3963 43 minutes ago
This is dystopian.
vachina 37 minutes ago
Meta’s content algo is engineered for sensationalism. It inherently encourages instability.
petcat 34 minutes ago
People socializing at all inherently encourages instability for the government.
goda90 4 minutes ago
aziaziazi 23 minutes ago
Instability isn’t a bad thing through, that’s what drives progress.
Want more stability? Shut down medias for a year before any elections to "smooth" the public debate.
boesboes 10 minutes ago
pasc1878 34 minutes ago
For more on the algorithm not being good
https://www.panamericandispatch.org/p/meta-ignores-brazilian...
drstewart 33 minutes ago
Wait till you read some of the far left or right newspapers and leaflets in France. Why aren't those being banned?
petcat 38 minutes ago
France has crossed a threshold that it can never come back from without complete upheaval of their late-stage socialist state. It's a failure.
This is an absolute crisis for the EU.
foepys 31 minutes ago
Marcon got rid of the inheritance tax, cut worker's rights, and reduced the capital gains tax. He also tried to raise the retirement age but people protested so much, it was blocked eventually.
How is this socialist policy?
raverbashing 28 minutes ago
Yes, the threshold of tolerating illegal immigration and of tolerating infinite handouts for retirees
shevy-java 35 minutes ago
Socialist state?
More like that Macron does not stop spending too much. Countries such as Denmark or Canada show how to do better than Macron did.
wtch98 23 minutes ago
Both Melenchon and Le Pen have promised to increase spending and reduce taxes. That type of promise is a great vote winner, and people believe it. In 2022 Pecrese advocated reducing spending in 2022 and couldn't even manage 5% of the vote.
Macron couldn't even increase retirement age to 65 because France doesn't want it.
Next time will likely be a choice of two parties who both said retirement age will be reduced to 60.
abc123abc123 24 minutes ago
It's because Canada and Denmark are less socialist than france. But generally speaking, what we are seeing is the end of socialism in the EU.
Yet again, socialism has failed to work, and it will always fail. When it fails, there are riots and violence.
We are seeing that EU companies are moving outside the EU, one recent example is that Volvo Cars are firing 2500 workers, and the EU laws and regulations will make this pattern repeat itself.
In the end, either EU will have to embrace capitalism, or it will break apart when nationalist parties promise that they have the easy solution, and do their own thing. I think actually breaking apart EU would be the best option.
jurgenburgen 8 minutes ago
sham1 22 minutes ago
watwut 17 minutes ago
sjdh76 23 minutes ago
Social media permits Broadcasting for Free. One to All messaging. For all other media - radio, satellite, tv, phones broadcasting requires licenses. Why?
Cuz Claude Shannon told us if everyone broadcasts on the same frequency noise increases and no one hears anything forcing them into broadcasting at higher and higher power or repeating their messages more and more. Which again increases noise. So Broadcasting has always been licensed and regulated. That solved the Noise problem because people were forced to coordinate use of broadcast spectrum.
Social media platforms act as if Shannon doesn't apply. So they do exactly what Shannon predicted. Everyone is broadcasting. No one can be heard clearly. People scream louder and louder. The loudest get locked into arms races. Repeat their messages more and more. At the end of it all Noise hasnt reduced and who gets attention from one day to the next is unpredicatble. And since Platforms dont want to talk about Shannon we are all stuck in some kind of red queen dynamic. People are expending lot of energy. Results are all temporary and unpredictable.
bricss 9 minutes ago
You mixing broadcast band physical phenomenon with censorship.
kaonwarb 16 minutes ago
Are you suggesting that governments should regulate platforms more, like they do physical spectrum?
sjdh76 a minute ago
I dont know the solution. But I think Shannon is being brushed under the carpet. Noise levels and random outcomes speak for themselves.