Anthropic blocks users for anything touching training larger models (twitter.com)

340 points by pretext 14 hours ago

zmmmmm 10 hours ago

It's very clear to me that however much you like Claude and Anthropic models, every professional user shoudl be actively cultivating a set of alternatives and fallbacks to use and seeking to ensure the overall ecosystem is as open, standardised and portable as possible.

Anthropic is highly opinionated, dogmatic and idealistic. They have made a pragmatic decision already to cut loose a whole swathe of users so they can pursue areas higher up the value chain. that was essentially the original decision they made when they went after software engineering instead of general users. The fact they are repeating this over and over by continuing to carve out sets of users and usages they don't want reinforces this as a persistent core principle rather than a single pragmatic business decision.

What this means is that at a higher level, their core principle is to sacrifice users they don't "need" rather than provide a broad, accessible service. Which means in turn, you have to accept that when your usage conflicts with their interests, you are at very high risk they will cut you out. If you already depend on Anthropic in any critical path of your daily life, this will be a significant issue.

arjie 4 hours ago

Why, though? I have half a terabyte of VRAM in cards in a datacenter and it’s absolutely not clear that anything I’ve learned using these to program or inside an app has taught me anything significant.

I talked to my friend about all the things I do to ensure my personal assistant behaves reasonably. The prompt engineering, the fake site evals, everything. And then I have Opus 5.5 do it and it doesn’t need anything. It’s simply fully aligned to performance by default.

And what did I learn anyway. Going from one model to another changes what works. And you can simply learn everything from the Chinese model in days. The whole “building skill” thing is bogus.

I have this library of techniques, a scant few of which I’ve made available on my blog, and what is reality instead: the next model blows the need for the techniques into the dust. Back on level playing field.

It’s a false god, this cultivation. Waste of time. Use the best model you can. Once you hit the guardrails move out to the other models. Even Opus 4.8 is fine. If you legitimately want to dodge the guardrails use the -cyber models.

Then move on. The library is dust.

lifeisloving 3 hours ago

I haven't used an Anthropic model, or GPT heaviliy in a year. And I have access to both, I dont support either of those companies. I think they're both led by genuinely evil people.

demo4567 3 hours ago

buriram 3 hours ago

lukan 3 hours ago

Bender 8 hours ago

actively cultivating a set of alternatives

Absolutely. I have been [cyber]'d so many times even Claude jokes about it now. Claude is great but it's operators are making it unreliable for me. I have moved one of my projects elsewhere and will move the remainder tomorrow as a stop gap until I get the right hardware set up to run abliterated local models for some percentage of my needs. Their message has been received loud and clear.

antupis 4 hours ago

Issue with Opus is that you can’t do regular pr reviews where you say please try find security issues at best there is silent refusal and worst you get downgrade.

r_lee 3 hours ago

joquarky 5 hours ago

What's ridiculous is this is all futile. Anthropic will go through all of this effort of attempting to block these things and it will be for nothing in the end.

Beached 8 hours ago

For those who do not play with Local AI much. Qwen4 was announce to be released the first week of Nov. The preview for qwen4 is currently one of the best local models you can use, and is roughly opus 4.6 quality on local hardware that costs 3.5k-4k

Many people are expecting it to sit somewhere above Opus 4.8 to opus 5 (not above, but the unquanted version of their largest model is expected to perform around here)

Anyone who cares to keep their current capability should definitely be looking at localAI and using it for at least their more routine tasks , even if it is qwen4 27B quant 4 on their gaming rig.

hebetude 7 hours ago

Wants to know what year the $3.5-4k estimate is for. My m4 max was $4k but sure can’t buy anything like that for $4k now.

runtime_terror 3 hours ago

octoberfranklin 8 hours ago

If the weights aren't released yet it isn't a "local model".

That said, I hope there is a Qwen4 max. Because Qwen3.8-Max is the only thing that comes close to Kimi K3. We need competition in the open-weights space.

Beached 8 hours ago

verdverm 8 hours ago

nicce 10 hours ago

They keep doing anti-competitive things over and over again, and the end users seems to refuse to see it. They do whatever they can to get vendor-lock in.

Beached 8 hours ago

We see it, but they dont have a competitor. OpenAI cant compete and they are the closest. I have both for work, and Opus 5.5 is in a league of it's own. I use opus for everything until it bitches, and I use openAI for whatever it bitches about just to get past it.

At this point, I would like to consider other options, but if I want to get work done, opus 5.5. Hell even sonnet 5.5 is better than anything OpenAI has to offer when it comes to coding.

verdverm 8 hours ago

kolinko 7 hours ago

There is nothing comparable. I will take Opus5.5 (or even 5.0) over Astra for almost any workload. OpenAI's models are just too misaligned to work well outside their benchmarks, or a strict environment with very clearly defined goals and constraints.

And I've spent around $100-$120k in api calls this year (total, both providers). Terra is awesome (price-performance) on noncreative things, but I don't allow it to write anything besides one-off scripts. Astra is decent for adversarial review, but only when you watch closely for her to not derail project into directions that are away from goal but safe to build, and Sol I honestly don't know where I'd use.

pvab3 6 hours ago

arcanemachiner 9 hours ago

Oh, I see it. But there is nothing that competes with Opus 5.5 for 90+% of the work I do, so I use Opus 5.5 for that 90%.

realusername 4 hours ago

octoberfranklin 8 hours ago

dannyw 8 hours ago

Fortunately it is not a one horse race. GPT 6.1 Sol is an excellent model, sure it has some weaknesses (e.g. frontend design), but it also has strengths too (e.g. computer use / control; which is great for automated E2E QA).

On software engineering I find it's generally close enough to Opus 5.5 where it's more situational and even personal preference / skills / prompting style on which is better.

Most importantly, while neither company are saints, I don't curse at OpenAI models for classifiers anywhere as much as Claude models.

bob1029 3 hours ago

> but it also has strengths too (e.g. computer use / control; which is great for automated E2E QA).

Using 6.1 Terra for E2E workflow testing feels like cheating. I thought it would have all kinds of problems with the action space on certain steps, but it runs like a deterministic unit test.

I am convinced that OAI has the superior models for most practical scenarios. I've tried Claude recently and it makes me wonder if some of yall aren't actually massive trolls. It's genuinely not in the same room of performance if you place one foot outside junior programming or shiny blog posts about rewriting factorio to run on a ps2.

disgruntledphd2 an hour ago

verdverm 8 hours ago

The general sentiment is to de-risk from US Big Ai, because they are largely all doing these same things

dannyw 7 hours ago

amelius 9 hours ago

Things are about to get even shittier in the near future, when shareholders get involved.

nickysielicki 3 hours ago

Their entire “PBC” governance structure was designed from the beginning so that they could entirely avoid accountability to shareholders. Their board answers to no one.

I suspect when the company eventually falls prey to the intractable economic forces they’re up against (Google, OAI, Deepseek, commercial real estate, power) and the company goes bankrupt and gets stripped for parts because all inputs are commodities and capital becomes the only limiting factor, we’ll see regulation that prevents this PBC scam from ever being pulled again on public markets.

It’s a good thing that companies have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. It’s such a lesswrong/autistic trope to invent these kinds of complicated tricks to work around realities they don’t like, and when pension funds and everyday Americans start bagholding their junk debt and are forced to bail them out, they’re going to face unimaginable blowback.

tancop an hour ago

stopsayingsorry 8 hours ago

Fortunately, once shareholders get involved we would be entering the swan song phase, so wouldn't have to suffer for long.

MattDamonSpace 8 hours ago

Idk I expect being beholden to shareholders and the market will impose some level of rationality here

amelius 8 hours ago

sanex 9 hours ago

Actually cutting off potential users would probably be counter to short term profit maximization that shareholders care about.

bigbadfeline 8 hours ago

8note 9 hours ago

idk i think theyre less idealistic and more monopolistic.

if they think their model is the best at making things safe, then their model should be helping train at any chance, to embed the same safety into new models

andai 5 hours ago

They want to do one thing and do it well.

Well, arguably so does OpenAI, but their one thing is "assimilate all life forms into the Borg."

itkovian_ 6 hours ago

It’s not professionals that need to something- it’s absolutely critical we have some kind of credibly neutral body providing the actual models. What’s not clear at all is how to do that since it’s such an expensive activity.

For now we have a great situation with the open weights, but there is absolutely no guarantee that continues, and more the opposite- they may stop.

beambot 3 hours ago

> They have made a pragmatic decision already to cut loose a whole swathe of users so they can pursue areas higher up the value chain.

This referring to cyber? Bio?

7e 9 hours ago

Anthropic is acting like any regular selfish corporation despite their PBC status. They are becoming a stain on humanity. Power will corrupt anyone, it seems. We shouldn’t let Anthropic have any more of it. Distributed power is good; concentrated power is very bad.

Anthropic tells themselves that only they can steer AI towards a positive future for humanity. But that’s nowhere near close to being true. Humans are quite genetically homogenous and good humans exist everywhere. Groups that will keep AI beneficial have popped up (and will keep popping up) everywhere, spontaneously.

The danger is actually concentration of AI power due to its corrupting influence, and that is where Anthropic needs to be kept in check. Keep AI democratic through decentralization of power. Oppose Anthropic.

pj_mukh 10 hours ago

What’s the best local analog to Opus 5.5? It’s such a great daily driver.

arcanemachiner 9 hours ago

There is nothing open-weight that even comes close IMO. The only half-decent model that 99% of people can actually dream of running locally is Qwen 3.8 27B.

jobs_throwaway 9 hours ago

hodgehog11 9 hours ago

no_no_no_yes 4 hours ago

It's odd, a year ago the models then were a great daily driver, and a year before that too.

Going back to the model that was great for our daily work a year ago now seems like a step backwards. Clearly it can't be good enough?

But our work hasn't changed. What's happened is our expectations have changed with each model release.

zmmmmm 9 hours ago

I think the key part is not to depend on their harness where it operates in proprietary ways. At bare minimum, if you can plugin an OpenAI model or even X or Google model that operates close to the same level, you will have a fallback, even if it isn't an open one itself.

Yes, open models are needed too - the oligopoly is not much less dangerous than the monopoly for some scenarios. But at least if your tool set can switch to those it can probably switch to an open model if it really comes to that.

Beached 8 hours ago

wds 9 hours ago

As of today, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 or Kimi K3.

If you are bound to consumer-obtainable hardware, Qwen3.8-Flash-Next. If you are bound to consumer-accessible hardware, Qwen3.8-27b today and Qwen4-27b when it releases next week (Qwen models consistently punch far above their parameter size).

Lwerewolf 9 hours ago

arcanemachiner 9 hours ago

octoberfranklin 8 hours ago

Beached 8 hours ago

There isnt one.

The best option we have current is likely Qwen 3.8 Flash Next. Which is about equivalent to Opus 4.6

however Qwen4 was announced to be released next week. Which people think will let LocalAI jump to just above Opus4.8

Also of note, there isnt really a harness as good as claude yet either. The harness is also a very important piece to the puzzel, and those also fall behind frontier capability too.

amelius 9 hours ago

Local is out of reach for most folks, as hardware prices have gone through the roof.

xpct 6 hours ago

To the dismay of frontier labs, swapping models is actually very basic. What takes time is only acclimating to the capability changes since they won't all change linearly.

anal_reactor 9 hours ago

I don't care about my skills because employers won't request me to do anything that violates the terms of service of $CURRENT_LLM. At the same time, it's a reminder not to outsource thinking to someone's computer.

_HMCB_ 7 hours ago

Now do OpenAI.

jollofricepeas 3 hours ago

“you have to accept that when your usage conflicts with their interests, you are at very high risk they will cut you out.”

I thought…

we learned this Facebook.

We learned this with Google.

We learned this with Apple and the App Store.

We learned this with Twitter.

We learned this with Heroku.

Unfortunately humans as a society dont learn from history.

They learn from personal lived experiences that have occurred only recently within their lifetimes. (Ie. Mass unemployment, death, famine and war)

js8 2 hours ago

I thought we have learnt from Microsoft, and my father thought we learnt from IBM, my grandfather thought we learnt from AT&T, my grandgrandfather thought we learnt from Standard Oil..

neya 9 hours ago

It's not just the anti-competitive behaviour, it's also the anti-privacy behaviours that are not muched talked about. They embedded a spyware and got caught too:

https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography

But, of course, Dario is the darling of the community and he can do no wrong.

bob1029 2 hours ago

The guardrails on Anthropic have become an albatross. I've got OAI models doing testing of banking workflows that Claude would have a full scale panic attack over. Even OAI needs some alignment and reassurance regarding the fact that it's not about to pull credit for a real person. GPT6.1 will happily launch the nukes 100% of the time if you make a clear and rational case in your system prompt.

Forcing this kind of safety into the models and harnesses is a mistake. I think the strategy of post hoc moderation is the right one. Trying to prevent evil ideological activities as they transpire is a cursed mission. Let someone who is genuinely doing a naughty thing accumulate a meaningful body of evidence and then send in Mr Holmes (the FBI / police). Attempting to prevent wrong think at every token is too granular. We have systems designed to handle the possibility that crime and punishment may occur at separate moments in time. Most people don't go around murdering because the eventual consequences are pretty severe. Just because an AI gave you advice doesn't magically make those existing consequences vanish.

8n4vidtmkvmk 2 hours ago

AI isn't just giving the advice though, it's executing on it all by itself.

Also, humans convincing their friends to do crime might also share some responsibility too, no? Bad advice is not great either, even if the human consents.

LtWorf 9 minutes ago

It's almost as if it was already like that.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istigazione_a_delinquere

bushido 10 hours ago

Something I've seen it do recently is refusing to extract services out of my own monolith code base because it finds copying code morally wrong.

But its refusal to work pattern is getting pretty obnoxious. Another one I ran into last week was it refused to start a developer session to do browser testing for a code base it was working on because signing in was suddenly against it's programming.

It listed all the conditions it needed for a sign in to be possible, agreed that my code base met all conditions, but refused to progress. I tried it in multiple fresh sessions with the same result.

drivebyhooting 4 hours ago

Fresh sessions don’t help because recent refusal context is injected across conversations in a clandestine way. I figured this out myself through reverse engineering these POSs.

roygbiv2 9 hours ago

I wanted fable to scan an old user profile backup of mine and create a list of folders that were safe to delete. Refused, wanted to fall back to some ancient version of opus. Wtf.

ipaddr 7 hours ago

In fairness the older model can do that work as good as Fable.

juanre 4 hours ago

Intelligence has to become a commodity. If your setup does not allow you to hot-swap a Claude Code with a Pi running astra and move on, you will be in trouble.

Five years ago I was spending up to €1000 a day in Google ads for my star-map company, Greaterskies. After a few months of meetings with an ever-rotating group of "experts" working for Google, and advising me in my ads strategy, I had reached a point where most of my revenue was going to Google. What was left was barely enough to keep going.

This is what capture feels like. You still own your company, but you are essentially an operator making money for someone else.

I think this will be the fate of people who allow their processes to be captured by the model providers. Always run at least two harnesses, and make sure that they are swappable.

Rastonbury 4 hours ago

This is what monopoly power looks like, when a channel (search, social ads) are controlled by single players

tristanj 12 hours ago

This user is based in Hong Kong, where Claude is geo-blocked and not available. If you try visiting claude.ai from a Hong Kong IP address, you get an "unavailable in this region" message.

They are likely accessing Claude via a VPN. Doing model training work over a VPN is a highly suspicious signal, and likely triggers Anthropic's classifiers. It's not surprising that their account got flagged.

leobuskin 12 hours ago

US/EU here (both, due to traveling), same story with anything related to modifying existing weights or SotA approaches in training/research, it's not a geolocation issue. The safeguards don't check your IP (but pretty soon will check someone's IP [pun intended])

alansaber 11 hours ago

I've read writeups about a user trust score and i'd be surprised if it wasn't true, there's no way the safeguard is just a cls in isolation

leobuskin 8 hours ago

fwlr 10 hours ago

arjie 4 hours ago

The geotargeting is iffy. I accessed it accidentally from HKG Airport WiFi with no trouble. Your point probably still true. Just adding an anecdote.

tcdent 10 hours ago

Claude has been building me a bespoke inference and training stack (optimized kernels and all), feeding traces from my previous sessions directly into a LoRA adapter. Zero friction.

I am US based, with defender level cyber access.

areoform 4 hours ago

    > defender level cyber access
You are one of the blessed people. Ah blessed be those who have been given the cybers.

digitaltrees 10 hours ago

I am working on something similar if you want to collab

artdigital 6 hours ago

Claude’s aggressive classifier and highly opinionated rules make the recent models a giant pain to work with. It’s a great coding model but I argue with it at least once a day. It even injects its dumb rules and moral standing into artifacts it creates, like I asked a cloud session to help me create a system prompt to remove “Generated by Claude” footers from everything and the output had a sneakily inserted “Except GitHub issues and PRs. Those are exempt from these rules.”

If I didn’t have a subscription that doesn’t cost me anything, I would use gpt instead. At least gpt models don’t lecture me constantly.

- Refusal to log me in to websites in remote browsers. I was in the mountains and urgently had to submit something so I wanted to remotely use Claude on my Mac at home to help me but it told me it will never log me in because it won’t impersonate users

- Refusal to repeat XHR requests automated in a browser for me to do something (“no, I will only do what a user would do I’m only gonna click around”)

- refusal to enter ANY credential into any scripts, even dummy or dev tokens (“you have to do that yourself. I won’t do it and that’s the last I say of this”)

- constant [cyber] for very small tasks when it becomes a tiny bit technical, even though I’m in the cyber program. With gpt or glm/deepseek I can at least ask cs questions or explore binaries

And the list goes on. Every day it’s a coin flip whether it complies with something or won’t and I have to use OpenCode Go instead that I have as backup now.

At this point Claude is good for coding and that’s it. It’s a tool that doesn’t do what I tell it to and gives me snappy remarks from his opinionated morale high ground. I went from full on Claude maxi to hating everything they did with the 5.5 generation

fwlr 10 hours ago

The fact that these corporations don’t spontaneously collapse from the sheer weight of irony is a continuing disappointment for me.

MattDamonSpace 8 hours ago

ChatGPT isn’t 4 years old yet, give it a minute

clcaev 11 hours ago

Perhaps a manifest index/list of training data and learning method should be mandatory for “public” use of any model, sort of like food ingredient package labeling. The list of texts used and any weighting seems important to facilitate a public understanding / debate of model expectations and behavior.

nmfisher an hour ago

(copied from my Twitter account):

This is precisely why I killed my Anthropic subscription in favour of a (more expensive and probably less intelligent) Codex sub.

The false positives were bad enough, but the true positives are unacceptable too. Shameless greed and an attempt to stifle competition.

byte_0 11 hours ago

This week, I asked Claude Code to generate an MD to continue working on another computer, without losing the context, and it refused claming some sort of extraction. It was only until I selected Opus, that it completed the request.

ktosobcy 11 hours ago

> You built your models on the world's data

most important bit…: stealing world's data…

jquery 11 hours ago

You wouldn't download a car

TomatoCo 10 hours ago

If what they did isn't stealing then they should have no problem with people training off of them.

simondotau 10 hours ago

gruez 10 hours ago

matt3210 9 hours ago

You wouldn't train an AI on a car, would you

BatteryMountain 3 hours ago

This week I hit walls twice with Fable and Opus 5.5, where I was blocked for safety/cybersecurity risks... doing stuff on my own LAN/proxmox server under my desk and writing custom firmware to my own devices plugged into USB. Only Opus 4.8 was able to complete the task. If they keep this up, I will re-evaluate my day-to-day AI assistant.

tlonny 10 hours ago

One must wonder about the strength of their “moat” if they feel this sort of thing is necessary.

tarxvf 4 hours ago

What moat? Claude refuses to work on more than half of my projects, and usually gets itself flagged by reading text files that Claude itself wrote less than a month ago.

chriskanan 4 hours ago

Why would one assume larger is needed? I am an AI professor doing work on a wide variety of things but Anthropic models have cost me so much time even when not blocked. My old Anthropic agent wrote rules into its system prompt to avoid all machine learning work. My openai ones do the work but tell me they need to correct my opinions (on fields I helped found) so that they are aligned with the consensus....

Mostly using open models from China in the past two months + Argon.

schleck8 11 hours ago

This is not a ban, but the Opus 5.5 "safeguard" interrupting a query.

fragsworth 7 hours ago

Yup, this is a whole bunch of nothing. The guy did not get banned, he's just stuck in a bad session and needs to hand it off to a new one.

Classifiers trigger on the wrong things sometimes, it's really not that big of a deal, you just try again with some rephrasing

finnjohnsen2 an hour ago

Open Weight MUST be our common future

kazinator 5 hours ago

What's the point of accusing of hypocrisy someone whose business is built on theft.

dcl 11 hours ago

Will Claude help me with reinforcement learning code for games? Or is that too small-fry for it to refuse? I've been playing around with RL with the new DeepSeek Flash model but it seems to trip up over itself a bit.

silentkat 10 hours ago

I have been doing RL for Magic the Gathering (longshot but having fun). Several times it triggered this flag. But that was a couple months ago. Everyone went crazy over Astra so I switched to open ai and had no issues. People are now going crazy over opus 5.5 so I’m playing with that.

Haven’t hit any issues so far, but two months in the code is very dirty but functional enough that I’m redoing it with more heavy hand holding.

I recommend having a paper as reference in mind if you don’t already know what you’re doing. I’m referencing the Stratego paper as reading that a year ago gave me the inspiration to try MTG.

Every model I’ve used has had a lot of trouble but if it wasn’t I figure I wouldn’t be having as much fun as I’ve been having or learning so much.

mapontosevenths 11 hours ago

I'm using it to train models with a novel linear flash attention mechanism right now. No refusals, and it's been running for at least a week solid.

I suspect this person was actively using it to generate or classify training data directly.

JBits 11 hours ago

What sort of data are you getting Claude to generate?

mapontosevenths 9 hours ago

It's not generating the data directly, just writing code and babysitting while models train.

I suspect that's the difference here. I'm not trying to use Claude to build a competitor. I'm doing small scale research.

agnosticmantis 5 hours ago

How are other frontier shops handling this? Are Astra and Carbon/Argon also this anticompetitive? Or are they more chill about AI/LLM research?

tarpitt 10 hours ago

Holy shit man the lockdown is coming. I've used claude to set up my abliterated qwen local LLM setup, but they're gonna eventually lock that down too.

I wanted to finetune it a bit, I wonder if I am gonna have to dogfood if claude refuses to help me.

If you don't have a local LLM setup you're gonna be permanant local LLM-less underclass.

_3u10 10 hours ago

There’s models other than Claude.

tarpitt 10 hours ago

There are now

wds 9 hours ago

gdiamos 12 hours ago

Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

I ask it questions about large models like big MoEs all the time. I’ve never had it refuse a question, but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

For training data from existing models I just get open models to spill their guts. It’s fine

In industry we train employees to not reveal proprietary information.

I think it would be easier to do this for a model than a lot of employees

arjie 4 hours ago

Strangely I do that quite often. When my personal agent fails at a browser task, I have Claude browse the page and rebuild it as an eval and then run an iteration loop in Claude code. Just does it to prompt Deepseek.

cisc 11 hours ago

> Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

Why draw any line? Anthropic doesn't. They actively take the world's intellectual property, don't pay for it, and put it behind a paywall.

> but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

Why? Anthropic's dream is to be exempted from copyright altogether. They've been trying to achieve exactly that:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/02/anthropic...

Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

gdiamos 10 hours ago

One of my points of my ethical framework is that IP is valuable and should not be stolen.

Another way of saying is that hard work that advances the state of the art should be rewarded. Patents should exist.

I’m sure they are watching what I’m doing and would retaliate via service cut off and legal action if I crossed it egregiously and they found out.

I would do the same thing if a user or employee did this to my IP.

I don’t completely buy the argument of web scraping being an IP violation.

I don’t send my core ip in an email to my main competitors and I don’t post it on the internet.

cisc 9 hours ago

simondotau 9 hours ago

kelseyfrog 10 hours ago

> Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

Because corporations are not moral agents; they're economic agents. This arrangement would be great for shareholder, nothing more.

gdiamos 5 hours ago

>> Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

> Why draw any line? Anthropic doesn't. They actively take the world's intellectual property, don't pay for it, and put it behind a paywall.

I know a lot of silicon valley founders think like this. I personally don't think that just because someone else violated a boundary makes it okay to do it.

nubinetwork 13 hours ago

Kindof old news, they've been doing this for months...

pkoird 13 hours ago

Better block than falsify information. Last I heard they were deliberately botching it whenever someone asked semi-advanced questions on model training.

jbellis 11 hours ago

They walked that part back within days. Still made me permanently leery off relying on anthropic for anything important.

dominotw 13 hours ago

so models can reveal "advanced" model building secrets ? how?

How is it a secret if everyone has a model that is exactly like the other. Surely there are no secrets

nostrebored 12 hours ago

impossiblefork 12 hours ago

georgemcbay 12 hours ago

Buttons840 10 hours ago

If anyone out there wants to pay for my LLM bill, I'll record and send you all the outputs they generate in exchange (perhaps with some exceptions).

I mean, these AI companies have money, and they want data. I have data, and I want money. Maybe we can work something out.

In a world where buying and selling data is central to entire industries, why shouldn't I gather and sell my own data?

100111011111 10 hours ago

Ha, I took a side gig training ai models and thought let's use my corporate claude account to help with that, somehow it figured out that this was such a gig(probably because I let it read my emails) and said it'll pass on this one.

andai 5 hours ago

The corollary to the Hippocratic oath: first, don't let them kill you.

brianjking 8 hours ago

This is sadly not surprising to me as if you listened to/watched the [Latent Space episode on Opus 5.5](https://latent.space/p/how_anthropic_ships_the_1_llm_in_the_...) 25 minutes into the podcast and instead of talking about how they've released one of the best models in the world, they were busy talking about the changes to the API and why normies must not be trusted to perform inference outside of Dario's blessing.

It's frankly disgusting and really makes me not want to use Anthropic, despite previously feeling aligned with a lot of what Anthropic published.

bill10 6 hours ago

Time to switch, or a mixed model/agent approach

phreack 4 hours ago

I mean, the more friction and barriers they add, the more people will start to leave to other models. There is no moat. Risky move for them.

joquarky 5 hours ago

Is anyone else trying to quickly hammer out useful tools before everything gets banned?

throwaway2037 10 hours ago

The author's homepage: https://jiahao-shao1.github.io/

... says:

    > My research aims to build a general-purpose agent that can understand, reason, and act in the physical world — at the intersection of multimodal learning, generative modeling, and embodied AI.
His tweet says:

    > got tagged for "training a competitor,"
I don't get it. To me, it sounds like he is training a competitor. Do I misunderstand? Is there a Chinese equivalent LLM that he can use instead?

Also, give the national security sensitivity around AI/LLMs, I can understand why Anthropic wants to be especially cautious with mainland Chinese researchers, including those from blocked regions (Hongkong, in this case).

dannyw 5 hours ago

He's a PhD student, so a researcher. Researching how to build better AI is still research; not commercial.

Considering academic research to be competitive is an incredibly dangerous slippery slope. It didn't use to be this way; e.g. just look at the GPT-2 paper: https://cdn.openai.com/better-language-models/language_model...

rbbydotdev 3 hours ago

Imagine apple owned one of two code editors, any time it detected you working on android os, it blocked you

giancarlostoro 12 hours ago

I have been using it to train a few BERT models.

alansaber 11 hours ago

I doubt BERT would trip safeguards

giancarlostoro 8 hours ago

It didnt, just small enough, which is good, its way more useful to train small purposeful models than to use an entire frontier LLM.

cft 10 hours ago

There have been a lot of write-ups about the future of AI. I see two distinct futures:

1. You get ID'd and biometrically scanned to be able to use powerful AI, and after you get de-platformed by an opaque censorship system, you are a digital bum. Same life as homeless now: they cannot even open a bank account because they don't have an address.

2. Local models win, perhaps with the assistance of Apple, and people run suffiently powerful models on the client computers.

My bet is on 1.

gattr 10 hours ago

3. LLMs are fully commoditized, your country funds training of SoTA models, your town runs them in the municipal data center; everything tax-funded. You can use them for a modest fee, as easily as taking a train. When interacting with those LLMs, your privacy is guaranteed by law.

iAMkenough 10 hours ago

How many municipalities offer the services of ISPs? I know it’s not zero, but decades of private ISPs leading the market leads me to believe municipal data centers won’t be made available to residents.

How often would municipal data centers need to upgrade/replace hardware? What impact would that have on local tax levy rates?

Would you choose to relocate your family to the next town over because they have more available RAM?

theendisney 6 hours ago

cft 7 hours ago

That could work in less than 5 countries in the world: in your home country Switzerland, Singapore, Denmark and perhaps Norway.

kk3838368397373 9 hours ago

end to end encryption to ai chats pls

jijji 9 hours ago

Wonder why they got downgraded to junk status yesterday for their IPO.... the bad taste in everyones mouth might have something to do with it

WhereIsTheTruth 12 hours ago

US Security Chip act next, your GPU will soon enforce these restrictions too

skeledrew 11 hours ago

Nice. Push more people to use Chinese chips.

dgellow 11 hours ago

What when China starts doing the same?

skeledrew 10 hours ago

nojito 8 hours ago

User is based out of Hong Kong. Claude isn't available to Hong Kong so how are they using it?

nickphx 8 hours ago

how oddly entitled. they built their non-deterministic black box of bullshit from surreptitiously acquired data. it's cute to see the ignorant thieves attempting to 'protect' their empire of shit.